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Offline utkan  
#151 Posted : 17 September 2018 17:08:58(UTC)
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SBB Ae 6/6 11414 and a few Swiss Cars...Cool
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#152 Posted : 20 September 2018 13:05:30(UTC)
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...enjoy...Cool
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#153 Posted : 29 September 2018 19:28:30(UTC)
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...to the memory of Svein...Sad RIP...
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#154 Posted : 29 September 2018 20:18:03(UTC)
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With the permission from his family, we have preserved dear Svein's very helpful website here.
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#155 Posted : 03 October 2018 12:21:25(UTC)
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Some Russians...Cool
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#156 Posted : 17 October 2018 14:01:59(UTC)
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...a French beauty...Smile
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#157 Posted : 24 October 2018 15:18:50(UTC)
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#158 Posted : 02 November 2018 13:58:44(UTC)
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Cool
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#159 Posted : 01 December 2018 15:19:08(UTC)
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Cool
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#160 Posted : 07 January 2019 18:07:44(UTC)
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RollEyes
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#161 Posted : 01 February 2019 16:08:21(UTC)
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....after watching the video of the new BR 44's power*, could not stop myself making the following video....Cool



Flapper Flapper

* I could not find the video made by mother M*....Blushing if someone happens to find and please send it , I would be glad....Smile
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Offline Mark_1602  
#162 Posted : 02 February 2019 01:09:37(UTC)
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Good point, Mehmet, pulling 40 plastic cars is something that even small Märklin locos could easily do in the past. The question is if the new BR 44 can pull 40 metal freight cars.

I've read some extensive test reports comparing newly released digital Märklin locos to similar models made by its competitors, e.g. the new Märklin Nohabs and the NMJ ones. These test reports invariably say that Märklin locos have more pulling power. The German MRR magazine that publishes those test reports is called Eisenbahn Magazin (em).

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#163 Posted : 03 February 2019 20:53:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark_1602 Go to Quoted Post
Good point, Mehmet, pulling 40 plastic cars is something that even small Märklin locos could easily do in the past. The question is if the new BR 44 can pull 40 metal freight cars.

I've read some extensive test reports comparing newly released digital Märklin locos to similar models made by its competitors, e.g. the new Märklin Nohabs and the NMJ ones. These test reports invariably say that Märklin locos have more pulling power. The German MRR magazine that publishes those test reports is called Eisenbahn Magazin (em).

Best regards,

Mark

Hi Mark,

First of all so sorry for my late response, but had a very busy weekend.

What I simple believe that the new generation beauties have lots of functionals such as splendid sounds, lights and many and many other things I cannot even imagine but lack of power.

About the magazines (EM) well of course they will write that the new ones are stronger... Do they have the courage to write the truth?

As the expression goes... a penny for my...Laugh

Cheers,
mehmet
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#164 Posted : 03 February 2019 23:03:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: utkan Go to Quoted Post
..

RollEyes


Zooming in ....... on MarklinIstanbul.
Quite fascinating.
A rather unique way of layout video. Thanks for sharing.

regards
Kimball
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Offline utkan  
#165 Posted : 04 February 2019 07:48:14(UTC)
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Glad to hear that you have enjoyed it, Kimball...Smile

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#166 Posted : 04 February 2019 22:15:17(UTC)
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About the magazines (EM) well of course they will write that the new ones are stronger... Do they have the courage to write the truth?

Cheers,
mehmet


Hi Mehmet,

The comparative tests I've read claim that new Märklin locos have more pulling power than similar locos made by the DC manufacturers. For example, the new tooling Märklin Nohabs can pull more cars than the new NMJ Nohabs. That's true.

I haven't read a comparative test of old vs. new Märklin locos yet.

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Offline utkan  
#167 Posted : 05 February 2019 09:54:00(UTC)
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Hello Mark,

I cannot say much about Märklin and the others. RollEyes You must be right...ThumpUp

UserPostedImage

Mä 3095.2 BR 74 DB 74 701 produced 1969-1976...

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Mä 36743.1 Serie 96 SNCB 96.020 produced 2009...

I have made a very short video for you about what I meant**...RollEyes



Cheers,
mehmet

** The clip does nothing to do with DB and SNCB...I wish I had a digital DB 74 in my collection...I do apologize for the misunderstandings in advance.Smile
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Offline mbarreto  
#168 Posted : 05 February 2019 10:23:20(UTC)
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I really like the video of your last post. The digital loco is a startup program loco, nevertheless, the BR74 has a SFCM not an LFCM, so we can say the comarison is fair.
Thanks for show it. I also liked a lot your video of the little DHG500 pulling at least more 10% of cars then the new BR44 was shown by Märklin ))))))
Mostly Märklin H0.


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Offline mbarreto  
#169 Posted : 05 February 2019 10:32:31(UTC)
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Adding to my previous post that what you showed is just about power and traction in the ld versus the new locomotives and not about digital versus anaogue.

For example, you can upgrade the BR74 (your analogue) to a 5 poles motor and add a decoder like a Lokpilot v4 or an MLD/3 and then they were both digital and most probable the result is the same but much much faster ))))) The new loco would behave like a wagon with blocked wheels LOL

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Offline utkan  
#170 Posted : 05 February 2019 11:02:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post

.... The new loco would behave like a wagon with blocked wheels LOL



Hi mbarrretoSmile ,

I love this sentence...ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp

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#171 Posted : 05 February 2019 15:40:29(UTC)
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That's a funny video, Mehmet. My son Maxime has just watched it with me. He wants to see it one more time ...

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Offline utkan  
#172 Posted : 05 February 2019 18:31:39(UTC)
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That's a funny video, Mehmet. My son Maxime has just watched it with me. He wants to see it one more time ...

Cheers,

Mark

Hello Mark,
To tell the truth I do also find funny to pay a digital loco about 500 or more € instead of getting it from the “the old school”Laugh
Between you and me, don’t let Maxime watch the video often, just in case he might want to try himself tooSmile
Take care,
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Offline RayF  
#173 Posted : 05 February 2019 19:03:17(UTC)
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Of course as has been said this is not a comparison between analogue and digital but between new tooling and old tooling versions of the same loco.

Setting aside the issue of traction, if you look at the photos of both locos you will notice that the new tooling has an open cab you can see right through, "daylight" under the boiler, closer to scale wheels and valve gear, and generally more accuracy as a scale model. If the traction is also closer to scale then we can hardly be surprised!

Although impressive and entertaining to see a little shunter pulling 10 times the number of wagons it would be required to in real life I don't think we need to set that as the standard for all model locos! BigGrin
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#174 Posted : 05 February 2019 22:24:21(UTC)
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Setting aside the issue of traction, if you look at the photos of both locos you will notice that the new tooling has an open cab you can see right through, "daylight" under the boiler, closer to scale wheels and valve gear, and generally more accuracy as a scale model.


I have to admit that I have been musing over the photos that Utkan has been posting of his steam engines, and looking at the 'coal' in the tenders and how plastic the molded coal in the bunkers looks. We used to regard it as normal back when these models were produced, but now tend to be more critical of these sort of details.

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#175 Posted : 06 February 2019 09:40:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Of course as has been said this is not a comparison between analogue and digital but between new tooling and old tooling versions of the same loco.

Setting aside the issue of traction, if you look at the photos of both locos you will notice that the new tooling has an open cab you can see right through, "daylight" under the boiler, closer to scale wheels and valve gear, and generally more accuracy as a scale model. If the traction is also closer to scale then we can hardly be surprised!

Although impressive and entertaining to see a little shunter pulling 10 times the number of wagons it would be required to in real life I don't think we need to set that as the standard for all model locos! BigGrin


Hi Ray,

I cannot play with words much; it is a matter of choice to name it...old vs new or analog vs digital...



My point was to show that the above video can not be something that mother M* can be proud of...Sad

Then a member mentioned a comparative test of old and new, I shot that tiny video...Smile

And the old one behaved like a drag+ gone and the new obeyed like a way+ gone...RollEyes

That is all..Cool

Cheers,

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#176 Posted : 06 February 2019 09:51:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post

I have to admit that I have been musing over the photos that Utkan has been posting of his steam engines, and looking at the 'coal' in the tenders and how plastic the molded coal in the bunkers looks. We used to regard it as normal back when these models were produced, but now tend to be more critical of these sort of details.



Hi kiwiAlan,

I would love to promise not only to muse you but also amuse you with my photos in the future, but I cannot since mine are mostly plastic looking ones...Blushing

Take care,BigGrin

mehmet
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#177 Posted : 06 February 2019 10:07:42(UTC)
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There are several aspects to consider. The ones that are by far better now are detailing and the functions Those are important and it is good the evolution goes in that direction. Other aspects, like power of the motors, number of axles powered seems to be worse. Why not use motors that are powerful as the old ones? Or at least more controllable (like SDS)?

The answer maybe some need more space and that affects detail and others are more expensive. Also, as Ray wrote, we don't need so much power in the motors.

Personally I like heavy locomotives and powerful motors, but of course also detail. Let's wait for the 39880 BR44 to compare it to 37880 BR44, although I am almost sure how 39880 will be like.

What most concerns me about the new designs is the parts availability. For old locomotives we have parts, at least for the motors. For the new ones, we don't know if we will have replacement motors. I think the risk of not having them is not so small. Let's hope I am wrong.

(edited to simply the text ;) )

Regards,
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Offline utkan  
#178 Posted : 07 February 2019 19:52:03(UTC)
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There are several aspects to consider. The ones that are by far better now are detailing and the functions Those are important and it is good the evolution goes in that direction. Other aspects, like power of the motors, number of axles powered seems to be worse. Why not use motors that are powerful as the old ones? Or at least more controllable (like SDS)?
Let's wait for the 39880 BR44 to compare it to 37880 BR44, although I am almost sure how 39880 will be like.

Regards,
Miguel


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#179 Posted : 07 February 2019 22:28:50(UTC)
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...another scenario from Marklinistanbul...RollEyes
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#180 Posted : 11 February 2019 22:42:43(UTC)
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...if you are not keen on long trains, please do not watch...Laugh
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#181 Posted : 01 March 2019 15:55:27(UTC)
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enjoy....Cool
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#182 Posted : 03 April 2019 13:23:16(UTC)
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RollEyes
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#183 Posted : 30 June 2019 16:21:37(UTC)
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