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Offline mike c  
#1 Posted : 23 November 2012 04:07:55(UTC)
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Here is an interesting international consist from Roco. The TEE coaches were used on many routes, including replacing the ALn 480 diesel trainset on the Geneva-Milano route. This train was then pulled by a Re 4/4II of the SBB in TEE colours. Alternately, the train was pulled in Switzerland by a regular green Re 4/4II or even by Re 6/6. Starting around 1978, the train also included some of the new Eurofima coaches in the orange livery with the white stripes, this became more and more common once the schedule was modified so that the train ran with 1st and 2nd class coaches, as the TEE trains were originally 1st class only.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/60007598

Here is a list of the TEE coaches that would be needed to model the TEE Lemano.
The information comes from www.reynaulds.com

Manufacturer: Roco
Item #64437
Country: Italy
Railway: FS
Dimensions: 303mm
Roco - TEE Comfort Compartment Car FS

Item #64439
Country: Italy
Railway: FS
Dimensions: 303mm
Roco - TEE Restaurant Car FS

Item #64441
Country: Italy
Railway: FS
Dimensions: 303mm
Roco - TEE Generator/Service Car FS (Amended Description)

Item #64442
Country: Italy
Railway: FS
Dimensions: 303mm
Roco - TEE 1st Class Passenger Car FS

The matching lok is 72400/01 DC or 78400/01 AC
Country: Switzerland
Railway: SBB
Roco - Re 4/4II TEE

A supplemental coach would be an additional 64437

A less expensive way to get the consist started would be to opt for this set:
http://www.reynaulds.com/products/Roco/64072.aspx
and then add 1 or 2 of 64437

The later version of this consist (late 1970s) would be composed of coaches from the 64072 set, plus set 64073
http://www.reynaulds.com/products/Roco/64073.aspx

The Italian Lok for this train would be an E444 Tartaruga "Tortoise" of the FS in the original red/white/blue livery or an E646

Here is a video of the models:


Regards

Mike C

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#2 Posted : 23 November 2012 04:33:56(UTC)
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Here's another interesting international consist:

The Night Train (EN) "Palatino" travelled from Paris to Rome via Vallorbe, Lausanne, Brig, Simplon, Domodossola and Stresa and back. The coaches in the late 1990s and early 2000s were made up of a mix of SNCF and FS (Trenitalia) sleepers and couchettes. This consist can be reproduced as follows:

The Lok would be a Re 4/4II or Re 460 (Vallorbe-Domodossola), available from Roco, Maerklin or Hag.

The coaches include:

Roco 64753 and 64754 (WLABm sleepers T2s) in the current Trenitalia Treno Notte livery
Roco 45819 (Couchette coach of the SNCF) in the blue/white Corail livery
Additional FS Couchette coaches and sleepers (Type MU) are available from ACME (#55033). I believe that Eurolokshop has this set in stock
The restaurant is from the FS and is available from ACME/Heris as #50024 or #16024
There were additional SNCF couchette coaches with older liveries available from Roco under other numbers. I believe that most can be found at http://www.bahn.hfkern.de/Roco_Wagen/SNCF_ec.html

You can add a Jouef SNCF Corail sleeper as an optional coach or replace the Roco T2S sleepers with the ACME models T2S 50922 and T2S Excelsior (ACME/Heris 16026).

The Lok in France would be a BB26000 "Sybic" which was available from Maerklin and others. In Italy, traction would be a E402, E444R or E655.

In the early 2000s, this service was taken over by the Artesia joint venture between SNCF and Trenitalia, models of which were available from ACME a few years ago under numbers 55021/55022 as seen here:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/A...HO-neu-OVP-/281020420012
(Includes the restaurant and 2 couchette coaches of the FS)

Here is a video of a model, with coaches in the Artesia livery:


a number of other interesting consists (with model references) can be found here: http://e.bournez.free.fr/Eurocity.html
You don't have to understand French to see the pictures and the model numbers. Enjoy!

Regards

Mike C

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#3 Posted : 23 November 2012 05:05:01(UTC)
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International Trains are probably the most colourful consists that you can have on your model train layout. A third example would be the "Bavaria" between Munich and Zuerich via Lindau and Bregenz.
The train was famous in the late 1960s as it was one of the routes on which the Swiss RAm/Dutch DE trainsets could be seen. Following the accident in Aitrang in Spring 1971, the train was replaced by a lok pulled consist which was made up of DB TEE coaches (Avmz111 and Apmz121) along with a SBB Restaurant coach, later repainted in TEE colours. As a TEE, this consist ran from 1972 until 1978, pulled from Zurich to Lindau and back by a specially adapted Re 4/4I in TEE colours, modelled by Maerklin/Trix with 1/93 coaches as #27557. The 1/87 models are coming from LS Models, but have previously been manufactured by Lima and Roco (Avum/Apum) and Liliput (WRm TEE).

In 1978, the TEE train was replaced by a new train, comprising both 1st and 2nd class coaches. This train was mainly composed of SBB coaches, including some of the newest Eurofima type 1st class coaches and the latest 2nd class coaches of the SBB.

Models for this consist are as follows:

Roco 44655 SBB Am or ACME 52400 (Eurofima Am 1st class compartment coach)
LS Models 47236 SBB WRm Restaurant in TEE colours
LS Models 47220 SBB Bm (Set of 2 2nd class compartment coach in Eurofima livery)
LS Models 47207 SBB Bm (Additional 2nd class coach in Eurofima livery)

The lok in Switzerland would be either still the Re 4/4I in TEE colours (1978-1979) or a Re 4/4II in green with a special pantograph for DB/OBB operation
The lok in Germany (Lindau to Munich and back) would be a BR210 or BR218

Here is a German forum post relating to this train: http://www.drehscheibe-f...oren/read.php?10,6154710
The diagrams show the livery and coach types. Subsequent posts actually show drawings and model numbers.
Some consists include older SBB Am coaches from the UIC-X series, available from LSM as part of the 47216 and 47222 sets. http://www.reisezugwagen.eu/?p=2093

Here is a video of the models (Ade and Liliput):
and the later prototypes:


Enjoy

Regards

Mike C
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#4 Posted : 23 November 2012 08:31:10(UTC)
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Great info, Mike. ThumpUp

Thanks for posting!
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#5 Posted : 13 December 2012 03:42:32(UTC)
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EN Wiener Walzer (Zurich-Buchs-Arlberg-Innsbruck-Vienna-Budapest) (SBB Segment):

Re 4/4II - WLABmz T2S (OBB) - Bc (OBB) - Bcmz (OBB) - Bcmz (MAV) - WLABmz (MAV)

RO 78403 - LS 47078 - LS 47052 - RT 32515 - AC 52020 - AC 52030 (RO=Roco, LS=LS Models, RT=RailTop, AC=ACME)

As optional additional coaches you can add the following: RO 44770 (SBB Bpm); AC 52419/RO 44976 (SBB Bcm), RT 32525 (OBB Bpmz), RT 32502 (OBB WLABm Type P*)
* A new model of the OBB Type P has been announced by LS Models.

The consist would be basically the same from Feldkirch to Innsbruck and perhaps on to Vienna. At one point, there were a number of coaches that went on to Prague. From Vienna, the consist was primarily made up of MAV and OBB or SBB coaches, depending on the year and schedule.

Here is a photo with OBB Type P (RT 32502) and SBB Bcm (RO 44976):
http://www.bahnpics.com/...gaeu/P8143053%20copy.jpg


Regards

Mike C

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#6 Posted : 25 December 2012 05:55:52(UTC)
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I slightly modified the consist above, changing the position of the coaches to make the consist more prototypical.

I also have a variation on this consist that reproduces an earlier edition of the same consist (earlier liveries):

Re 4/4II - WLAB Type P OBB - Bcm OBB - Bcmz (OBB) - WLBmz OBB* - WLABmz OBB*
RO 78403 - RT 32502 - LS 47045 - RO 44770 - RT 32511 - LS 47001.1 - LS 47001.2
(RO=Roco, RT=RailTop, LS = LS Models)
*ex-CNL (CityNightLine)

Additional coaches for this consist could include RailTop, Roco or ACME OBB coaches in either grey/red or red/black as well as Roco or Tillig's WLAB Type Y MAV (282mm).

Regards

Mike C

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#7 Posted : 25 December 2012 06:11:27(UTC)
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SBB Intercity (based on Maerklin's 43671 using Maerklin and Roco) coaches

Re 4/4II or Re 460 - EWII D - Apm - Apm (Panorama) - Apm (Cisalpino) - WRm EWIV - Bpm - Bpm - Bpm - Bpm
MA 37356 or 37462 - RO 67842 - 43671.1 - 43671.2 - 26544.2 - 42173 - 43671.3 - 43671.4 - 43671.5 - 43671.6

Yes, I know that the baggage coach is 1:87 and the rest are 1:100, but since nobody makes the baggage coach in reduced scale, you have to compromise somewhere.
This consist can typically be seen running between Basel and Locarno (via Luzern, Arth-Goldau and the Gotthard) as well as between Zurich and Chiasso (via Zug, Arth-Goldau and the Gotthard).
Passengers from Basel to Chiasso normally change trains at Arth-Goldau or at Bellinzona.

The same consist with a SBB Cargo Re 421 could be used for an Eurocity between Zurich and Munich (via Lindau). In that case, leave out the Apm (Panorama) which is not used on that route.

The same Intercity consist using 1:87 coaches would use Roco's 45188 (MC76 Baggage) 44770 (Bpm), 44771 (Apm) and 44768/769 (Apm Panorama) coaches. You could also use LS Models' 47228 RIC coach set or LSM's 47242/243 B (ex-Bpm) coaches as well:

RO 78403 - RO 45188 - RO 44771 - RO 44768 - RO 44770 - RO 44770 - LS 47228.1 - LS 47243 - LS 47228.2 - RO 44770

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Mike C
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#8 Posted : 12 February 2013 05:42:54(UTC)
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I was watching a video on YouTube showing trains around 1990 with FS UIC-Z coaches. Some of the consists in the video were being pulled by Re 6/6. I miss those loks with passenger trains.
It got me thinking about consists, so without further ado, here is the link to the video:


and here are some consists inspired by the trains shown:

Re 6/6 - FS UIC-Z A - FS Eurofima Az*** - FS WRmz**** - FS UIC-Z B** - UIC-Z B* - UIC-Z B* - UIC-Z B**
MAR 37320.1 - RIV4113 - ROC64372 - ROC45432 - RIV4114 - RIV4133 - RIV4133 - RIV4114

* Gran Comfort Livery
** Bigrigio Livery
***Any Roco Eurofima FS Az will do
****Any Roco Gran Comfort Restaurant will do (UIC 61 83)

MAR=Maerklin
RIV (HR) = Rivarossi
ROC = Roco
The Rivarossi coaches can be replaced by any similar ACME coach

This consist can be used to represent an IC, EC or similar train between Basel, Zurich and Milano (Gotthard) or Geneva and Milano (Simplon)

For the Italian segment, the lok would be a E444 or similar.

Regards

Mike C
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#9 Posted : 17 February 2014 00:03:08(UTC)
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I haven't updated this thread in a while, so here goes:

Here is an interesting consist that can be put together using assorted Maerklin coaches and coach sets. In post #5, I proposed a 1/87 consist for the EN "Wiener Walzer". For those who are using 1/100 coaches, here is a version using only Maerklin coaches. The locos would be a Re 4/4II (Switzerland) and a 1016/1116 in Austria:

loco - 4268 (SBB) - 42724.4 (MAV) 42724.2 (OBB) - 42723.3 (OBB) - 42723.2 (OBB) - 42723.1 (OBB) - 42724.1 (OBB)

As Maerklin does not make an Austrian sleeping car, it is hard to find one that can be used. The SBB sold it's WLA (T2S) to the OBB around 2002, so you could always use 4182.
Kleinbahn had a Type P sleeper but not in OBB colors. You could always use a second MAV coach (42724.4) and pretend it was a sleeper.

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#10 Posted : 17 February 2014 00:37:51(UTC)
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Another nice international consist that I used to admire was the IC between Stuttgart and Naples via Zurich and the Gotthard.

Re 6/6 - Am (SBB) - Az (FS) - Avmz (DB) - Bz (FS) - Bz (FS) - Bz (FS)

The train consisted of SBB, DB and FS coaches. Maerklin has not made models of the FS Eurofima coaches in the original orange livery, making this consist a little harder to model.
Roco did manufacture the 4236E (44306) and 4237B (44310) FS Eurofima in 1/100, so you can use those coaches to complete the consist:

37320 - 4236D (44305) (SBB) - 4326E (FS) - 4236B (44303) (DB) - 4237B - 4237B - 4237B
The Swiss loco from Singen to Zurich and from Zurich to Chiasso was a Re 6/6 like the one from the 37320 Set.

This colourful mix of orange Swiss and Italian coaches with a single TEE/IC coloured DB coach made for a very nice consist pulled by a green or red Re 6/6.
The consist normally included a FS baggage car in the orange (c1 "Eurofima" livery which ran between the DB coach and the second class coaches. Some consists also included the SBB Bpm or Bm (also in the orange livery), both not available in 1/100.

In 1/87, the consist would be as follows (Roco or ACME):

37320 - 44655 (SBB Am) - 44636 (FS Az) - 44653 (DB Avmz) - ACME 50521 - 44637 (FS Bz) - 44637 - 44637
(The Roco FS Eurofima were re-released with new numbers over the years. See http://gamos81.altervist...ia/Carrozze/Eurofima.htm for a list of options. Arancia = Orange

This train included coaches from the Eurofima series and not coaches of the derived UIC-Z series of the FS. ACME is bringing out the Eurofima coaches in their catalog this year, so you will be able to recreate this consist using ACME coaches only. (52400 SBB, 52300 DB) plus the new FS ones.

This consist is based on photos found in Marti & Trueb, Die Gotthardbahn (1984). If I can find photos on the net, I will provide a link here.
Could be this one: http://www.polier.ch/ima...SBB.70-06/SBB-70-274.jpg

In at least one of the photos, the train included a SBB WR or WRm diner. I guess that LS Models 47235 could be used for 1/87. LSM has also announced models of other EWI based WR that would fit the time frame.

Regards

Mike C
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#11 Posted : 17 February 2014 01:30:05(UTC)
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Mike, I'll be struggling to get nice consists together as you describe them. it would cost me a fortune but what a great list of information videos and model numbers and manufacturers. very much appreciated taken your time to share it with us.

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#12 Posted : 06 April 2014 08:25:42(UTC)
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Here's one for all of us who have bought the 37347 Re 420 LION. In this photo, Re 420 227 (the actual one that Maerklin modeled) is pulling a CityNightLine Sleeping Car train:

http://www.bahnbilder.de...ternationale-zug-an.html

The coaches are available from LS Models

Here is another Re 420 LION, this time pulling OBB EC coaches. You can recreate this using Maerklin's 42726 or the new 42728 coach sets.
http://www.bahnbilder.de...0-zieht-am-29032014.html

Regards

Mike C
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#13 Posted : 01 June 2014 05:06:52(UTC)
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Over the past few years, I have been collecting models to recreate a typical Holland to Switzerland Night Train from the period 1998-2002.
I have just added the ACME WLAB type MUn (50960) and along with my LSM 44004 Couchette coach set and the earlier 44011 Set of Bcvmh (ex-TUI) couchette coaches, I have now completed the consist.

http://img7.imageshack.u...sbbmontreuximg002523.jpg

As far as I remember, this train ran from Holland to Brig via Basel, Bern and Lausanne, with additional stops in Vevey, Montreux and Sion.

I do not recall with certitude whether the train also had a section that branched off to other destinations (Zurich/Chur, Gotthard or Interlaken) along the way. As soon as I can confirm this information, I will post it here. Reisezuege.ch only goes back as far as 2005. I have some schedules from 1998 and 2003 which I will check when I have a chance.

I just found this video of a few of these coaches attached to an EC between Interlaken and Amsterdam:

In this case, the sleeper was an older CIWL Type P coach.

Here is a photo:

Regards

Mike C

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#14 Posted : 07 August 2014 20:51:39(UTC)
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New limited ACME FS consist from Reisezugwagen.eu:

Without getting into the whole debate about whether the ACME Eurofima coaches are better than the Roco ones or whether it is better to wait for the LS Models ones, I noticed the following two Coach sets from ACME which make for a very interesting consist for modellers with an Italian, Swiss or German theme. The train in question is the D 383 "Hermann Hesse" which travelled between Stuttgart and Genoa via Zurich and Milano (via the Gotthard). This means that this consist should appeal to a broad selection of modellers:

The set includes a FS baggage car, 2 first class Az coaches and 2 second class Bz coaches. The actual train would have more second class coaches. This train would also contain a number of cars that were added to the consist for segments of the run. In Switzerland, for example, a restaurant car and other SBB coaches would be added between Chiasso and Schaffhausen or vice versa. The DB added coaches from Zurich/Schaffhausen to Stuttgart and the FS added coaches in Chiasso (southbound) and in Milano and in Genoa for the return trip.

Here are the links to the Exclusive Models from Reisezugwagen.eu:
90078: http://www.reisezugwagen.eu/?p=18541
90079: http://www.reisezugwagen.eu/?p=18549

Typical locomotives would be a FS E444, a SBB Re 6/6 and DB would be either a BR 218 (Schaffhausen to Singen) or 110 or 120 (Singen-Stuttgart). In the 1980s, the track between the Swiss border city of Schaffhausen and the German city of Singen had not yet been electrified.

I already have this consist using the ACME baggage car plus Roco FS, SBB and DB rolling stock, all bought separately. This coaches in this set have destination signs and car indicators.

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#15 Posted : 02 September 2014 17:23:21(UTC)
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I'm back with another interesting consist for your consideration. Some of you may have noticed that Maerklin offered some new private Dutch Locomotives during the past year or two and thanks to LS Models, the matching coaches for these locomotives are now available.

The locos:
http://www.marklin.nl/pr...che-locomotief-eetc-1252 (2014)
http://www.marklin.nl/ni...254-laat-van-zich-horen/ (2012)
http://www.hetgroterdamp...:maerklin&Itemid=114

The coaches:
http://www.reisezugwagen.eu/?p=18643
http://www.reisezugwagen.eu/?p=18646

The coaches are former European night stock, mainly from the NS and SNCB, but EETC have also bought or leased old equipment from the DB. SBB and other operators.
Over the past year, the coaches have been repainted from their earlier colours into the new red/grey livery. LSM will also offer the matching car carriers for the Autoslaaptrein.

The prototypes:
http://www.railfaneurope...nl/private/EETC/pix.html
http://www.railfaneurope...252/1251__Moordrecht.jpg
http://www.railfaneurope...252/1252__Moordrecht.jpg

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#16 Posted : 02 September 2014 17:30:03(UTC)
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Thanks Mike.

Interesting consists indeed! ThumpUp
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#17 Posted : 28 July 2015 05:36:28(UTC)
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I haven't updated this post in almost a year, so I thought it was due:

This consist can be used on layouts with a Swiss or Austrian theme (or Southern German as the train is occasionally rerouted through Basel or Lindau when the Arlberg is closed).
This consist uses coaches from a few sets that are not at present officially available as separate items:

Re 4/4II - SBB Apm Panorama - OBB Ampz - OBB Ampz - OBB Bmz - OBB Bmz - OBB Bmpz
37348 - 43671.1 - 42728.1 - 42728.2 - 42728.3 - 42728.4 - 42728.5
https://bahnbilder.ch/pictures/original/18581.jpg

There are no Restaurant or First Class Service (ADmpsz) coaches for this consist in 1/100. Roco did make a version of an older design restaurant coach in the new livery a few years back.

BTW, if anybody has any idea what that red object on the track closest to the camera is, can you provide more details? Is it designed to stop a train or to derail a train?

Regards

Mike C
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#18 Posted : 06 April 2016 17:45:36(UTC)
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I was just informed by my dealer that he has shipped my order of 42920 FS 2nd class Eurofima coaches. I am still waiting for the first class coach to arrive in country.
I already have most of these coaches in 1:87 from Roco, ACME and LS Models, but I decided to order the Maerklin ones, since Maerklin never made the orange FS ones in 1:100.

Here is the consist, as seen in a photo in the 1984 edition of "Die Gotthardbahn" by Marti & Trueb (Orell Fussli CH)

Re 6/6 (37320) - SBB Am 43440 - FS Az (42910) - SBB WRm (43874) - FS Bz (43920) x 3 or 4

In the actual photo, there are more than 4 second class coaches and there is also a DB Avmz111, a orange FS Dz (Baggage) and the SBB WRm is orange and not red. The DB coach is available from Maerklin and can be added to the consist.

I do not have permission to duplicate the photo and I could not find a suitable image on the web.

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#19 Posted : 08 June 2017 08:37:39(UTC)
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Here is a short list of consists that I have assembled using the selection of Maerklin/Trix 28cm coaches:
The consists represent the SBB or BLS (Swiss segment) of each route. You can replace the Swiss loks with German or Italian ones depending on the train.

Maerklin 28cm Consists

Schnellzug (1968-1976) (Nürnberg-Stuttgart-Zuerich-Milano)
3638 - 23414.1 - 23414.2 - 23414.3 - 43874 - 43930
Ae 6/6 - ABz - Bz - Bz - WRm - Bm

TEE Roland (1969-1979)
37343 - 23477 Set (Bremen-Basel-Luzern-Milano)
Re 4/4II - Avmz - Apmz - WRmz - ARDmz - Avmz - Avmz

TEE Helvetia (1972-1979) (Basel-Zuerich-Basel)
22148 - 43854.1 - 43854.2 - 42866 - 43854.3 - 43854.4
Re 4/4II - Apmz - Apmz - WRmz - Avmz - Avmz

IC Verdi (1984-1989) (Dortmund-Basel-Luzern-Milano)
37320.1 - 43858.1 - 43858.2 - 43858.3 - 43927.1 - 43927.2 - 43927.3 - 43922
Re 6/6 - Apmz - Avmz - WRmz - Bpmz291 - Bm235 - Bm235 - Bm235

EC Barbarossa (1985-1993) (Stuttgart-Schaffhausen-Zuerich-Milano-Roma)
29859.1 - 43440 - 42910 - 42920 - 42920 - 42920
Re 4/4II - Am (SBB) - Az (FS) - Bz (FS) - Bz (FS) - Bz (FS)

EC Tiziano (1989-1995) (Hannover-Luzern-Milano)*
37325 - 43309.1 - 43308 - 43309.2 - 43310.1 - 43310.2 - 43310.3 - 43876
Re 6/6 - Apmz - WRmz - Avmz - Bpm - Bpm - Bpm - Bpm

* I have additional Bvmz185 (5112) and Bm235 (5115) from Fleischmann that match this consist.

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#20 Posted : 18 July 2017 17:07:57(UTC)
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I have not updated this topic in a while, so based on a few changes, I have updated my 28cm consists:

Schnellzug (1968-1976) (Nürnberg-Stuttgart-Zuerich-Milano)
3638 - 23414.1 - 23414.2 - 23414.3 - 43874 - 29043.1 - 29043.2 - 29043.3
Ae 6/6 - ABz - Bz - Bz - WRm - Am203 - Bm234 - Bm234

I had been looking for the DB coaches in blue and green with UIC markings and managed to obtain the coaches from a Start Set.
This consist would be typical for a day train between Germany and Italy, with a combination of DB and FS coaches. The Swiss diner would be inserted into the consist for the run through Switzerland (e.g. Schaffhausen-Zuerich-Chiasso). I have not included any Swiss domestic coaches, which could often be found in such trains due to the lack of matching SBB coaches in the same scale.

Based on a photo in the 1984 edition of Die Gotthardbahn, I have expanded my EC Barbarossa to include a DB Avmz111 between the SBB Am and the FS Az coach. Pending a possible SBB WRm in Eurofima colours, I have occasionally used the 43874 WRm with this consist as well.

I am searching for additional coaches from the 23477 TEE "Roland" set so that I can put together two consists with the coaches that ran between Basel and Chiasso. The original set included a 6 coach consist for the Gotthard segment including the coach inherited from the "Rheingold". The other consist represented the DB segment including the "Roland" coach that was detached at Basel and routed to Zurich and Chur. My intent is to replace that coach with the "Rheingold" coach to have two Gotthard consists and use the Chur coach with other coaches as it would have been seen on the Basel-Zuerich-Chur route.

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#21 Posted : 07 December 2017 19:42:29(UTC)
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This time, the consist is a container train of the type currently found on routes between Holland, Belgium, Germany and Italy passing through Switzerland on the Gotthard or Loetschberg routes, hauled by either SBB or BLS locomotives. Similar trains can also be found hauled by Crossrail, DB Schenker and other operators, although seemingly fewer than a few years ago, when companies like FNM, TXLogistics, European Bulls, Captrain, Veolia, etc made for very colourful consists.

In this case, the locomotive is my new 39863 SBBCI (SBB Cargo International) ES64F4 (189) 083:

SBBCI ES64F4 KLV .jpg
SBBCI KLV Samskip-Geest-Rinnen.jpg
SBBCI KLV Samskip-Geest-Rinnen-Hoyer.jpg

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#22 Posted : 10 April 2018 05:59:05(UTC)
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Just a quick update on my consists.

A few weeks ago, I noticed that one of the US dealers had reduced his price on the LS Models/ModelsWorld MW1604 Set. I jumped at the opportunity to pick up that set, even though I already had the same consist composed out of individual coaches.
The consist is composed of a pair of SBB Am (Eurofima) coaches, the SBB WRm restaurant and three Bpm coaches, all in the 1970s Eurofima C1 livery.
I remember when I first saw the model of the Eurofima coaches in the Maerklin catalog. It was probably around 1982. In 1985, I was in Switzerland and was fascinated by this new livery for international trains and the unique Bpm coaches that did not at that time exist as a model. In the 1990s, Maerklin released a model based on the DB Apmz model (4224) in SBB colours, but only in the Chameleon test livery (4366) and then in the green Intercity livery (42163). They never brought out the model in the original orange livery.
Finally in the early 2000s, RailTop/Heris brought out the 13020/13021 1/87 models and LS Models released the 47235 Set (WRm plus a pair of Bpm) in 2011.
The RT/Heris models had the orange livery with a white stripe. I combined those with the 44655 Roco Am Eurofima coaches that I had with the white stripe.
I relegated my older Roco models with the light grey stripe to my IC Barbarossa consist with mixed SBB, DB and FS stock. (See also Post #18)
The LSM Set (47235) and the matching Bm compartment coaches (47207/47220) also had a white rather than light grey stripe. Rather than taking the Eurofimas from the RT/Heris consist, I decided to use the LSM coaches with the then new models of the Am Eurofima from ACME (52400).
LSM then announced a 7 coach consist in 2015 for the EC Bavaria. I did not buy this set because I did not like the look of the colour of the roofs of the Am Eurofimas and the Bm coaches.
While I do agree that the original colour may have been more metallic, I do not think it was the colour that LSM rendered the models in. As I said, I already had a number of these coaches and could put together the Bavaria myself.
I had committed to order the EC Rossini sets from LSM/Pirata, which were made specifically for the Italian distributor of LSM. The set contained SBB and FS stock, including one Bpm and one Am, along with the SBB Restaurant and a FS coach in the orange livery, plus a single B (RIC) in the green/lightgrey intercity livery sometimes referred to as the EWIV livery. This set had the Am coach with the darker grey roof that I remember.
When I saw the special offer, I decided to pounce, even though the two Am Eurofima coaches once again had that pale grey livery on the roofs. I figured at that price, I could overlook it, and if it really bothered me, I could substitute those coaches with some of my other Am Eurofimas (Roco or LSM) with the lightgrey stripe. This train had a particular significance for me, because in July 1985, I was travelling from Zurich to Chur and jumped at the opportunity to ride in the Bpm coach. That segment of the "Iris" included only a single Bpm and the Am coach, as the rest of the train ended in either Basel or Zurich. I don't remember if it was still pegged on to the rear of the Hamburg-Chur DB train, but I remember that the tail end of the train had the two SBB coaches plus one or two of the standard SBB EWI or EWII coaches.

Thinking about the colour of the roofs got me to do a little experimentation, which I was able to accomplish with some help from my Roco 44650 SBB Bcm (Eurofima Z1 type) couchette coach.
I was trying to decide whether the silver colour of the Bcm roof looked accurate on the first class Am. In my mind, the Am roof colour was clearly more metallic and reflective than the following Bm (1977), Bpm (1980) and WRm, but I don't remember it being the same silver as the new WLAm T2S or Bcm coaches.

I would be interested in knowing what you think of these photos:
LSM/MW1604 Set (Am and Bpm):
LSM Am und Bpm.jpg
Roco 44655 (modified with silver roof from 44650) and LSM/MW Bpm coach
Roco Am Silbriges Dach.jpg
Roco 44655 with roof from 44650 and Roco 44655 (52436D) with original roof
Roco SBB Am Dachvariante.jpg

It just seems to me that the LSM/MW livery is just a little too creamy for lack of a better word.
A more metallic grey would have been optimal, but metallic silver would probably have been just fine.

Here is a photo (IC Iris in Rheinfelden) taken in 1985 that concords with my memory from that time:
http://bahnbilder-von-ma...rugg//picture_00718.html

I will take some photos of the entire LSM/MW Iris consist and post them here in the next day or two.

Regards

Mike C
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#23 Posted : 10 April 2018 19:04:51(UTC)
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Based on some trains put together by Harry's Bahnen (eg
) on YouTube based on photos of real trains, its clear to me that one can assemble a train from pretty much any combination of cars that would have been in existence in a given decade, mixing and matching, and not be unrealistic. Maybe uncommon, but not unrealistic.
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#24 Posted : 14 April 2018 02:01:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Based on some trains put together by Harry's Bahnen on YouTube based on photos of real trains, its clear to me that one can assemble a train from pretty much any combination of cars that would have been in existence in a given decade, mixing and matching, and not be unrealistic. Maybe uncommon, but not unrealistic.

This is a great thread and really gets you thinking out of the box about what you can do on your model railroad. Cool

The real world of railroading has never been as neat and tidy as the MRR world. All kinds of permutations in rolling stock can occur and often do in reality. The most unrealistic thing about most model trains is the uniformity of condition and equipment. The more random and bizarre the consist, the more realistic it probably is! BigGrin

You MRR is your world - probably the only one you will ever get, so have fun and make more of these unique and fun HO consists.

That after all is why we do this, I believe. Cool
Regards,
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I have almost all Märklin and mostly HO, although I do have a small number of Z gauge trains!
I have models from Era I to Era VI, but I try to focus on Eras I & III. Whoops, that one got away from me. Let's just say I focus on cool trains, regardless of the particulars :-)
So many trains and so little time.
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#25 Posted : 14 April 2018 08:31:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Based on some trains put together by Harry's Bahnen on YouTube based on photos of real trains, its clear to me that one can assemble a train from pretty much any combination of cars that would have been in existence in a given decade, mixing and matching, and not be unrealistic. Maybe uncommon, but not unrealistic.

This is a great thread and really gets you thinking out of the box about what you can do on your model railroad. Cool

The real world of railroading has never been as neat and tidy as the MRR world. All kinds of permutations in rolling stock can occur and often do in reality. The most unrealistic thing about most model trains is the uniformity of condition and equipment. The more random and bizarre the consist, the more realistic it probably is! BigGrin

You MRR is your world - probably the only one you will ever get, so have fun and make more of these unique and fun HO consists.

That after all is why we do this, I believe. Cool


Its a weakness of modellers who always have to have a loco with carriages attached to it, most of the time this is the case but I've seen many videos whereas you can see either a single loco, double, triple or quadruple, especially in Austria's or Switzerland's Mountain lines or the expensive way, when they've forgotten a freight carriage and its transported with a single loco.
as a modeller you can always have excuses: special excursion train.

John
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#26 Posted : 14 April 2018 12:36:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post

Its a weakness of modellers who always have to have a loco with carriages attached to it, most of the time this is the case but I've seen many videos whereas you can see either a single loco, double, triple or quadruple, especially in Austria's or Switzerland's Mountain lines or the expensive way, when they've forgotten a freight carriage and its transported with a single loco.
as a modeller you can always have excuses: special excursion train.

John


And if you want to have a loco pull a single coach fast there is a prototype for that as well. I guy I knew told us of being on some tour in Germany with a group, and for some reason the train they were on was held up and the group missed a connection. So DB put a single coach in the station with a loco, and they climbed on board. No sooner had the last persons feet left the platform than the driver hit the loud pedal hard and they rocketed out of the station at a great rate of knots. I suspect it was a case of slotting this special train in a minimum gap between other trains on timetable.


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#27 Posted : 07 June 2019 18:48:56(UTC)
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I have a number of night coaches in DB Nachtzug, CityNightLine and OBB liveries and have been able to assemble typical night trains in the red/white DB Nachtzug livery, the original blue CNL, the newer red/white CNL colours as well as in OBB colors, including the EN "Wiener Walzer" complete with MAV (Hungary) and CD (Czech) segments.
I also have the models to recreate the EN "Zurichsee" which runs from Graz to Zurich, with the exception of the ex-Yugoslav (Croatian and Slovenian) coaches.
To modernize this consist, I recently acquired an ex-DB WLABmz now with OBB markings. I am waiting for my latest delivery, which will add a new LS Models OBB Bcmz (type EC 89) in the Upgrading livery as well as one in the new Nightjet livery. These coaches, along with a compartment coach of the same series, will make up my new consist of this well known train, as it appeared in late 2017/early 2018.
I checked through photos and managed to find several photos which show this train minus the Slovenian/Croatian coaches. In those cases, the OBB segment was run on time and the remaining coaches were run later as a special train, so this seems technically feasible. In any case, without only the OBB coaches, it makes for a nice shorter consist.
I will try to post photos once the models have arrived.

Here is a recent photo of this train. All OBB coaches now in the new Nightjet livery. Note that there are two OBB Seat coaches, an OBB RIC couchette, an ex-DB couchette and an ex-DB WLABmz.
https://bahnbilder.ch/pictures/original/32911.jpg

The models:
WLABm-Bcmz Upgrade.jpg
Bcmz Upgr - Bcmz NJ.jpg
Bcmz NJ - Bmz Upgr.jpg

Regards

Mike C

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#28 Posted : 28 June 2019 08:26:48(UTC)
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I updated my last post with photos of the LS Models coaches.

The train (EN/NJ Zurichsee) will look as follows:

Re 4/4II (Maerklin, Hag or Roco) - OBB Bmz (compartment coach) - OBB Bcmz (Couchette) (NightJet livery), OBB Bcmz (Upgrading livery), OBB WLABmz (ex-DB/CNL)

Unfortunately, I have not found a model of the Slovenian or Croatian coaches usually included in this consist, but I have seen at least several photos where the coaches were run in separate consists, most likely because the Slovenian/Croatian coaches were late and were run separately from the main train between Graz and Zurich.

I am now waiting for LSM to release the Zurich-Vienna NightJet set. I have a pair of CD WLABmz sleepers and some MAV coaches waiting to join this consist to complete the Zurich-Innsbruck segment of the train. Hopefully ACME will bring out one or two MAV coaches in the new livery so that I can spice up the train and return some of the MAV coaches to earlier versions of this consist, when it was still the EuroNight (EN) Wiener Walzer.

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#29 Posted : 22 August 2019 07:57:34(UTC)
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I have just completed another consist. This time it is a modern DBAG Eurocity consist as could be seen between Germany and points in Switzerland. The consist is made up of a Re 4/4II (420), pulling DBAG coaches in the white livery with red stripe. The consist is as follows:

Re 420 - Apmz - Avmz - ARkimbz - Bpmz - Bpmz - Bpmz - Bvmz185 - Bomz (or Bimz)

MAR37348 - RO74650 - RO74653 - RO45046 - LS46264 - LS46265 - LS46266 - TL74645 (or RO45045)

This consist was last seen on the route Zurich - Frankfurt and can still be seen on occasions when ICE trains are out of service.
Here is a photo with a SBB pilot coach (unusual): https://www.bahnbilder.d...31102017--re-1055799.jpg

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