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Originally Posted by: Minok 
So according to that thread, as near as I can tell, while there used to be a somewhat general indication of a difference in powertrain and/or decoder at this point (2018) there isn't any difference at all and 37xxx and 39xxx are just arbitrary numbers for new models. At least as far as that 2017 thread indicates.
Correct. The numbering scheme was designed to designate levels of sophistication in the drivetrain but that whole exercise turned into a money pit and most likely contributed to their bankruptcies. Today I see no correlation between the model series numbers 37xxx or 39xxx to their detailing or features and I more or less ignore this now arbitrary designation. |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Correct. The numbering scheme was designed to designate levels of sophistication in the drivetrain but that whole exercise turned into a money pit and most likely contributed to their bankruptcies. ...or it could be that since most of the parts in the locos, these days anyway, are more or less of the same level of sophistication, there is no need to use a numbering scheme anymore.
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj I think we have to wait and see what Märklin actually produces before we decide one way or the other on this. I somewhat agree. I would believe that the new ICE 4 is of the same level of quality as the TGV releases. This is a great train, and perhaps it is worth the money, when I said that I had to pass I meant that I simply "mentally" cannot afford that price. The budget is better spent on something else.
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Originally Posted by: mario54i Originally Posted by: Erik Stampe Maerklin new items 2019 :
39520 - E lok Fc 2x3/4 "Köfferli", SBB
This is also known as Ce6/8 I, the Grossmutter. Still alive in Ertsfeld. Only brass models of it so far. No one excited about it ? Oh, yes! I’ve had it on my wish list since 2005: https://www.marklin-user...-HO-Wish-List#post117476Looks like we’re heading for another expensive year...  |
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Oh, yes! I’ve had it on my wish list since 2005: Looks like we’re heading for another expensive year... Hmm, were the hydro dams overflowing that day? They seemed to have abundant spare electricity to just shuttle locos back and forth ...  And of course it had to start off out of step, the Ce6/8 had its con rods in step. They did get out of step a bit later though ...
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The swiss Loki magazine (www.loki.ch) Number 10 of 2009 on page 26 presents a project to build a Ce 6/8 I in H0 from 2 locomotives:
1- Roco Be 4/6
2- Märklin Crocodile
Such a project was/is not easy and for sure not for me.
The result is very interesting, although not comparable to what we can expect from the Märklin item.
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Hi! Marklin's previous ICE3/ Valero sets were all 5-car sets - 37783, 37786, 37787 (Valero) and 37788. It is unlikely that Marklin will be selling a 7-car set for only Euro 100 more than the Euro 599 RRP that they charged for #37788 back in 2016. It will be a hard sell for Marklin to offer #39714 ICE4 for Euro 699 without ordering anything unique compared to the previous versions of ICE3. It has to be a compelling upgrade....more sounds functions compared to 37788 (10 functions), functional wipers and pantographs, driver's cab light...The Euro 100 increase in RRP has to be justifiable in my opinion Cheers, Rajnish Edited by moderator 14 January 2019 21:50:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rajnish It will be a hard sell for Marklin to offer #39714 ICE4 for Euro 699 without ordering anything unique compared to the previous versions of ICE3. It has to be a compelling upgrade....more sounds functions compared to 37788 (10 functions), functional wipers and pantographs, driver's cab light...The Euro 100 increase in RRP has to be justifiable in my opinion
Cheers,
Rajnish I agree Rajnish. I predict that a good many new sounds are a given for that train at the very least. Cab lighting would be nice and so would powered pantographs or wipers. Also motors in both power cars would be a big plus, which has been the deal breaker for me on previous ICE editions. So if Märklin does all of that for 699€ it might actually be a good buy. But IMO it is more likely that they will do a lot less at that price, and they will save me even more money.  |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj Originally Posted by: Rajnish It will be a hard sell for Marklin to offer #39714 ICE4 for Euro 699 without ordering anything unique compared to the previous versions of ICE3. It has to be a compelling upgrade....more sounds functions compared to 37788 (10 functions), functional wipers and pantographs, driver's cab light...The Euro 100 increase in RRP has to be justifiable in my opinion
Cheers,
Rajnish I agree Rajnish. I predict that a good many new sounds are a given for that train at the very least. Cab lighting would be nice and so would powered pantographs or wipers. Also motors in both power cars would be a big plus, which has been the deal breaker for me on previous ICE editions. So if Märklin does all of that for 699€ it might actually be a good buy. But IMO it is more likely that they will do a lot less at that price, and they will save me even more money. based on the price for the Insider 2019 loco and coaches, and the 1100 Euro price I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for some good extra functions either. Bu the way prices have gone up I suspect that 100 Euro increase from 2016 is probably going to be the norm, so I wouldn't be expecting any more functions. A bunch of new sounds maybe but I suspect windscreen wipers or LCD doors would be a push too far. After all 4415 based boxcars that came out 4-5 years ago were under 10 Euro, now the Hobby range new editions are 12-15 Euro and the only difference is a paint job, which must be reasonably easy to design. That is a similar percentage to the 599 -> 699 price change. I won't be surprised if that is only a 4 car set, not 5 car, especially as there is an add-on set (4 cars also?) instead of individual cars, plus the other extra individual car previously mentioned by Nigel.
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The new prices are making me move more to used items or maybe an ESU locomotive in 2019. I need to see the new Ce 6/8 I to understadn what it has more than the BR 103 of ESU that will have controlled pantographs, lights everywhere and super sound. Instead of the ESU BR 103 maybe also the E94, although those don't have the LSv5M4... Edited by user 14 January 2019 16:23:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan
based on the price for the Insider 2019 loco and coaches, and the 1100 Euro price I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for some good extra functions either.
But the way prices have gone up I suspect that 100 Euro increase from 2016 is probably going to be the norm, so I wouldn't be expecting any more functions. A bunch of new sounds maybe but I suspect windscreen wipers or LCD doors would be a push too far.
I have taken the time to think a bit more on this and I do agree. That increase is in line with everything else in the Märklin product line so there won't be any money to make them fancy. But they will almost surely get correct and nicely designed new exteriors which will make them unique, if not exactly beautiful. Just for the existing ICE trains at the new prices it would have to cost that much or more, so if it only going to sell for 699€ it may have to be decontented! The prices for some things that I ordered a year ago are now up by 35-50%. Luckily my dealers have integrity and I will pay the much lower pre-order price, but I don't expect them to make that mistake again. Quality to me seems to have improved and the model selection has been interesting but the price increases often go beyond their value for me. So I am sitting back right now and only looking at the very coolest of models which might justify the new prices. I will see what actually appears soon and then decide on things after that. I don't see any must have items for me yet, but then I like saving some money from time to time. We all wanted change at Märklin and I would say that we have it. |
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan ... Hmm, were the hydro dams overflowing that day? They seemed to have abundant spare electricity to just shuttle locos back and forth ... .... I'd venture to say that there was maybe some excess power available, simply from the regenerative braking of all those heavy (modern) trains coming downhill..  This is no longer the case with the base tunnel. Still, that #14201 is already on my layout...   Cheers Jacques |
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Originally Posted by: jvuye ... Still, that #14201 is already on my layout... ... Did you build it or you got it as a ready to use model? |
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Originally Posted by: dickinsonj I have taken the time to think a bit more on this and I do agree...... We all wanted change at Märklin and I would say that we have it. Hi! Jim Without sounding as if I am defending Marklin, the reality is that raw material costs have been increasing globally due to unsatiable demand from China and India economies growing at blistering pace, over the past decade. Second, labor costs continue to increase and model train manufacturing is a fairly labor intenisve and manual effort. I was fortunate enough to visit the Marklin factory a couple of year back. It was amazing to see the amount of manual painstaking effort that goes into assembling models, especially the steam locomotives. Marklin's challenge is to do profitable and sustainable business and to that effect we have seen price increases over the years. They on their part continue to improve quality, include better electronics and additional functions which at times may model train enthusiasts do not necessarily feel and believe are required. There is no wrong or right answer. Unless the European model train manufacturers expand into China and India in the next decade, their long survial will be heavily dependent on rapid consolidation among brands. Cheers, Rajnish Edited by moderator 14 January 2019 21:49:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rajnish ... Second, labor costs continue to increase and model train manufacturing is a fairly labor intenisve and manual effort. I was fortunate enough to visit the Marklin factory a couple of year back. It was amazing to see the amount of manual painstaking effort that goes into assembling models, especially the steam locomotives.
Marklin's challenge is to do profitable and sustainable business and to that effect we have seen price increases over the years. To that end, it is my understanding that Märklin is at the end of its Bankruptcy agreements phase now and thus is making changes as that set of conditions is expiring. There is a a shortage of labor there for one according to some reports, so 2019-20 could see some unusual adjustments at the Hause Märklin. https://www.swr.de/swrak...ung,av-o1083088-100.html |
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Originally Posted by: jvuye ... Still, that #14201 is already on my layout... ... Did you build it or you got it as a ready to use model? Hi! It's a Metrop model, 2-rail. Analog. Metropolitan was a well known artisanal model maker established in Lausanne. he also had a line of less expensive models under the name ROXY I also have a BLS Ae 6/8, original dual pantographs and an Ae 3/5 from Roxy, both originally 3-rails. The last one is in the version that lats pushed the automobiles shuttle trains through the Gotthard tunnel before the road tunnel was opened. Some intresting facts about this new Märklin loco The Ce 6/8 I 14201 from BBC was one of the two test designs for electric freight locos that the SBB had ordered to evaluate on the newly electrified Gotthard line around 1919. It was derived from the already delivered Ce 6/6 used by the BLS . The other design for the SBB was the now famous Ce 6/8 II (from MFO) that we all know today as the "Crocodile". Why did the SBB choose the Ce 6/8 II against the Ce 6/8 I for series production? Because it was equipped with the first practical electric regenerative braking system that allowed trains on the descend to be slowed down electrically under an 15kV AC system. The Ce 6/8 I had simply two pack of braking resistors (the superstructures above the cabs..) in which the energy was simply dissipated in heat, while the Ce 6/8 II was able to return the energy to the overhead wire, and thus made that energy usable to other locomotives. Cheers Jacques |
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Most dealers have the pdf in their own since saturday....
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So, Thursday morning here then?
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Originally Posted by: vilithejou Most dealers have the pdf in their own since saturday....
24h hours for the news In general I am against leaks, bu tin this case i really wish a leak :) |
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My wife and I have developed a morning routine of sitting in bed drinking tea and flicking through our smart phones to catch up with news, messages and our favourite sites. This morning my wife said "todays the big day then" - I replied "no its tomorrow" . After a short debate we realised that my wife was referring to the UK parliament meaningful vote on Brexit and I of course was thinking of the release of Marklin New items 2019
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Originally Posted by: Rwill My wife and I have developed a morning routine of sitting in bed drinking tea and flicking through our smart phones to catch up with news, messages and our favourite sites. This morning my wife said "todays the big day then" - I replied "no its tomorrow" . After a short debate we realised that my wife was referring to the UK parliament meaningful vote on Brexit and I of course was thinking of the release of Marklin New items 2019 LoL 😂 I’ve pre paid for an item this year, to combat the drop in the impending drop in the value of the pound 😱😱😱🧐😩😩😡😡 |
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Originally Posted by: Rwill My wife and I have developed a morning routine of sitting in bed drinking tea and flicking through our smart phones to catch up with news, messages and our favourite sites. This morning my wife said "todays the big day then" - I replied "no its tomorrow" . After a short debate we realised that my wife was referring to the UK parliament meaningful vote on Brexit and I of course was thinking of the release of Marklin New items 2019 Very funny, but so reassuring that some of us still have their priorities right!  |
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LoL 😂 I’ve pre paid for an item this year, to combat the drop in the impending drop in the value of the pound 😱😱😱🧐😩😩😡😡
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Originally Posted by: danmarklinman
LoL 😂 I’ve pre paid for an item this year, to combat the drop in the impending drop in the value of the pound 😱😱😱🧐😩😩😡😡
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Oh heck I'll be in trouble again with the blue ink boys for sending us off topic and into the verboten land. I just made a flippant comment on what I did in bed this morning honest.
Wonder if I can get back into the good books and hope that new items 2019 include a Eurotunnel train set with the promise from Marklin and their dealers that no deals will be allowed.
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Short version Electric 103 will have new chassis with flywheel motor in centre.
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz So, Thursday morning here then? Probably Wednesday night, about 2300 should be OK, if I remember last years release correctly. The bigger problem is that as soon as it is released the server gets well loaded with download hits.
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan All countries that Marklin produces something have Coca-cola coach: Germany, swiss, Austria, Demark, EEUU, Belgiens.... |
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So the ICE 4 is to be a 5 part main set... for the price. https://www.aupullman.co...gkeitszug-ice-4-db-ag-viThough I wonder what the MFX+ consumables are on an ICE 4. Is it the air-con breaks down every 5000 km traveled or you get a trackside fire? Maybe the catering needs replenishing.  |
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Though I wonder what the MFX+ consumables are on an ICE 4. Is it the air-con breaks down every 5000 km traveled or you get a trackside fire? Maybe the catering needs replenishing.
Reminds me of travelling across Australia on the Indian-Pacific train back in '94 ... We were about an hour out of Perth when the train stopped in the middle of nowhere. Stayed stopped for 15, maybe 30 minutes, then off it went again. Did another stop a bit later, again not at a station, and eventually carried on. After a little while an announcement came over the PA that the aircon had broken down in the first class lounge car, and that first class passengers would be using the Holiday Class lounge car for the rest of the time to Adelaide. Two days later, approaching Adelaide the lights go out in our coach, and the train grinds to a halt. Some investigation later we get underway again with the lights in our coach out, but the coaches both sides had lights on. Turns out an animal had decided to mix it with the train and damaged one of the connecting cables between coaches, which meant every second coach behind the damaged cable had no lighting, and they didn't have a spare cable on board to replace it.
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Originally Posted by: steventrain BREAKING NEWS - 2019 BROCHURE NOW!!! Dosen't works.... :-) |
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I think they removed it now, in any case I was in time to check, the BR64 for sure will get into my wishlist, same thing for the ZSSK Skoda Lok.
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Originally Posted by: Leitner I think they removed it now, in any case I was in time to check, the BR64 for sure will get into my wishlist, same thing for the ZSSK Skoda Lok.
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2019 brochure is now safe in my files PDF..
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I downloaded it in time.
the surprise are the non operating pantografs of the Ce 6/8 I...
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I downloaded it in time.
the surprise are the non operating pantografs of the Ce 6/8 I...
All else, I like a lot. The turntable seems very nice.
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Originally Posted by: steventrain 2019 brochure is now safe in my files PDF - Please PM me with your full email address for download.
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Originally Posted by: steventrain 2019 brochure is now safe in my files PDF - Please PM me with your full email address for download.
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There are very interesting new items.
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Originally Posted by: Bobby Originally Posted by: vilithejou Originally Posted by: steventrain 2019 brochure is now safe in my files PDF - Please PM me with your full email address for download.
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24CT Gold Crocodile. The Kroko 1000 UVP :-) Pre ordered to my dealer Hello Can you send me the brochure, please. My E-Mail adress is marco_schneider@bluewin.chThank you. Kind regards Marco I see it.. but i don't have it :-) I dosen't arrive at dropbox download English version |
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Originally Posted by: steventrain I am not sure that email can not send because too large file. Can you put the brochure on the forum or in a drive? Thanks
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Originally Posted by: steventrain I am not sure that email can not send because too large file. You can do a we trasnfer for example |
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