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Offline jonnymac  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2008 06:28:35(UTC)
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I recently attended a Jumble sale and was coerced into buying a big box of used train bits and pieces for $40. Turned out to be a number of Lima freight cars which will serve a great purpose in letting me practise my 'weathering' skills before I actually start on Marklin pieces. They don't seem to be very good runners but I bought some Marklin wheel sets and they will serve a useful purpose as backdrops in the sidings.

However, at the bottom of the box was this set.

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There was a circle of 2 rail track and a dc transformer - it works!

Does anyone have instructions on how to open this engine - it needs a clean and light bulb replaced.

Better yet - any idea if this could reasonably be converted to 3 rail digital?

Worst comes to worst, I can repaint the engine and cars and use them as 'scenary' too.

Jonny
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Offline TTRExpress  
#2 Posted : 17 December 2008 07:16:29(UTC)
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John,

Try looking underneath the locomotive for a screw that attaches the body to the chassis. It should be close to the bogies. There may also be a screw or two on the roof area that may attach the body to to chassis. Sometimes one has to remove the buffers too. Without seeing a better view of the locomotive it is difficult to tell.
Regards (a Scot in Wisconsin),

Maurice [ETE, TTRCA, IG-TRIX Express, Maerklin-Insider & TRIX Profi-Club]
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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#3 Posted : 17 December 2008 12:52:56(UTC)
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Given that Lima generally used clip-on body shells, I wouldn't be surprised if you can't find a screw at all. But, as I understand your post, that's not exactly what you want to find out. When it comes to converting a model to 3 rail digital, it is generally not the electronics, rather the space for the pick up shoe that causes difficulties. First of all, try to find out whether there is some clearance between the sleepers (center studs) and the bottom of the loco. Note that the studs are slightly higher on turnouts, so you will need to have some more clearance to negotiate those. (Roughly 6 millimeters) The electronics can usually be covered rather easily, by using a decoder. The need for space to place the decoder is very limited due to the small size of decoders. (For example the ESU Lokpilot Micro is very tiny.)
All in all, it is probably not an easy operation, but it might be quite rewarding to get it going.
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Offline mike c  
#4 Posted : 17 December 2008 13:38:13(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Sander van Wijk
<br />Given that Lima generally used clip-on body shells, I wouldn't be surprised if you can't find a screw at all. But, as I understand your post, that's not exactly what you want to find out. When it comes to converting a model to 3 rail digital, it is generally not the electronics, rather the space for the pick up shoe that causes difficulties. First of all, try to find out whether there is some clearance between the sleepers (center studs) and the bottom of the loco. Note that the studs are slightly higher on turnouts, so you will need to have some more clearance to negotiate those. (Roughly 6 millimeters) The electronics can usually be covered rather easily, by using a decoder. The need for space to place the decoder is very limited due to the small size of decoders. (For example the ESU Lokpilot Micro is very tiny.)
All in all, it is probably not an easy operation, but it might be quite rewarding to get it going.


I will look at my old Lima catalog (around 1990). I seem to remember that this lok was available in AC as well. If so, it may even come with the mounting screw hole already built into the bogie frame.
If so, all you would have to do is to install a suitable reverse unit or digital decoder and screw the slider in place.

Roco and Hag used to make analog reverse units to convert DC models to AC analog. I think that eBay user MOB45 had listed one a while back.

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Mike C
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Offline WelshMatt  
#5 Posted : 17 December 2008 18:07:16(UTC)
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I'd say it depends on whether both halves of the loco are powered or not - if not, then you should be able to squeeze a slider under the dummy end with a bit of extra ballast to ensure it stays on the rails.

Matt from Wales.

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Offline Brakepad  
#6 Posted : 17 December 2008 19:10:14(UTC)
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This one is almost for sure a one-bogie powered G-motor locomotive.

I still have my very first locomotive which was a Lima SNCF BB67001 with same configuration and engine, still working, and converted to 3-rail AC digital.

If you are interested in some pictures, let me know.

Best regards.
check out http://maerklin-back-on-track.blogspot.com if you like to see how old Märklin locos are brought back into life! (in spanish by the moment)
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Offline jonnymac  
#7 Posted : 18 December 2008 02:15:21(UTC)
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Thx to all for the responses. I'm on the road at the moment without the model in hand but will check all your comments on the weekend.

Xavi - it sounds like you have the right loco - in fact the model number on the box was 149704 G. Pictures would be great. Offline if that's easier.

JonnyMac
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Offline jonnymac  
#8 Posted : 22 December 2008 16:20:03(UTC)
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Sorry for not getting back to everyone with answers - all I've done for the past three days is shovel snow! Promised pictures soon.

JonnyMac
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Offline jonnymac  
#9 Posted : 23 December 2008 06:46:18(UTC)
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Brakepad - here are a couple of pictures of the Engine. Lead Engine powered. There is a fair bit of room in the engine and the attached dummy has plenty of room if I needed to put a decoder in there and connect up with wires between them. What decoder would you recommend - all I would like to do is control speed and direction and turn on/off the light.

Not sure about the slider - I think I would like to see if that fits first before the expense of the decoder - any thoughts on which slider is best - are the Roco silent sliders a viable option?

Once again, thanks in advance for all your thoughts and assistance.

JonnyMac

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BTW, here's all the snow....

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Offline nevw  
#10 Posted : 23 December 2008 08:22:02(UTC)
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Well at least it is white and does not have a suggestion of yellow on it.

NN

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NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders
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Offline Brakepad  
#11 Posted : 23 December 2008 19:33:21(UTC)
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Jonny,

Yes, this is a "type G" motor from Lima. Allow me 2-3 days to show pictures of my BB67001 converted to 3-rail as my trains are not in the same place as I am at the moment.
check out http://maerklin-back-on-track.blogspot.com if you like to see how old Märklin locos are brought back into life! (in spanish by the moment)
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Offline jonnymac  
#12 Posted : 23 December 2008 20:29:43(UTC)
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Xavi - there's no rush for this - holidays are here. Looking forward to the pictures - I think doing this conversion might be a lot of fun.

John
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Offline duebjerg  
#13 Posted : 23 December 2008 23:17:09(UTC)
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Try the link below. It is regarding conversion of a Danish Lima MZ loco to AC. It is written in Danish but the pictures are quite usefull. Use the buttons in the bottom of the site until You see some pictures regarding mounting of the slider.

http://www.skilteskoven....s/ombygning/ombyg_mz.htm

Maybe You could use this for Your conversion.
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Offline jonnymac  
#14 Posted : 25 December 2008 03:51:19(UTC)
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Great link Duebjerg, Thanks much. I think my first step will be to see if I can get a slider to fit successfully and then move on to decoder issues.

Seasons Greetings

John
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Offline duebjerg  
#15 Posted : 25 December 2008 22:04:21(UTC)
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Another Lima MZ conversion but with some pictures abt. slider

http://www.digitaltog.dk...l/MZtilAC/Lima_Mz_AC.htm

- Merry X-mas
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Offline steventrain  
#16 Posted : 26 December 2008 10:33:23(UTC)
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BTW, here's all the snow....

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Is that about 1 and half feet of snow? [:0]
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Offline WelshMatt  
#17 Posted : 27 December 2008 15:55:30(UTC)
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One tip for the decoder, make sure you get one with Back-EMF. These old Lima motors behave a lot better with that. Also make sure you put a drop of oil on the motor bearings as when they dry out the loco will tend to develop a terrible growl/rattle.
Matt from Wales.

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Offline Pianne  
#18 Posted : 28 December 2008 14:40:09(UTC)
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In case you want to go the extra mile to improve running, I've heard some good things about ModelTorque replacement motors for lima locos.

See: http://www.modeltorque.com.au/
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
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Offline jonnymac  
#19 Posted : 02 January 2009 20:14:21(UTC)
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Well Steven - a bit more than a foot and a half - an unusually heavy early season snow fall.

The bigger "lump" in this picture is my car!

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Here it is sort of dug out.

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Even had to shovel some off the roof.

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So, between snow and the holidays, haven't given a lot of thought to the Lima conversion but I do appreciate the comments and ideas - I'll get back to it soon and let you all know how I progress.

Jonnymac
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Offline mmervine  
#20 Posted : 02 January 2009 20:16:32(UTC)
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looks like my yard here in New Hampshire!
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Offline intruder  
#21 Posted : 03 January 2009 14:52:34(UTC)
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We have no snow for the time being.

I suppose it will come late January or in February.
We have used our snow blower only once this season.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline jonquinn  
#22 Posted : 03 January 2009 15:54:41(UTC)
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SM Models from Switzerland also has a remotoring kit for the Lima V188. I bought one for a Lima Bm 4/4 (which also need upgrade to 3-rail and digital and maybe sound).
Most of their kits come with Maxxon motors.

http://www.sb-modellbau...._id=586&cPath=29_173
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