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Offline FMS  
#1 Posted : 02 January 2009 13:23:48(UTC)
FMS


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Good Morning to you all!
Sometimes we read stuff in order to be able to understand things and know what to do when needed.Marklin loco manuals say that we should oil the locomotives after each 40 hours service.I did it with a few of them and know i regret it and i kow that they manage very well without that. Due to this oiling procedures nowadays i've got locomotives that keep my track a bit dirty. I clean my track using a cotton cloth and a bit of WD40, than i use another clean cloth to a final cleaning. It works!
My quastion is: what kind of device can i use to clean the locomotives wheels? I know that Trix offer a device for this purpose but that doesn't work with Marklin, so what can i use?
Regards
FMS
Online xxup  
#2 Posted : 02 January 2009 13:48:35(UTC)
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Ah you need young Nev to post a photo of his Lux wheel cleaning beast..
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Offline Caplin  
#3 Posted : 02 January 2009 14:48:05(UTC)
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Hi FMS.

New to the forum - welcome to a world of information.

You might look at this link:
http://www.mrsonline.net/html/lux.html
It includes a short video of how a wheel cleaner works.

Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline FMS  
#4 Posted : 02 January 2009 15:06:47(UTC)
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Hi Benny, thank you for the tip. Funny thing is that i know LUX track cleaner and vacuum cleaner but the wheelcleaner it's something new for me.
This looks interesting and it's a user friendly solution. Somebody once told me that if i would remove the engine brushes i would be able to turn the loco wheels without any problem and clean them easely. This solution seems a bit complicated.

Regards
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FMS
Offline banco  
#5 Posted : 02 January 2009 15:40:35(UTC)
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Dear FMS

I have found one of the ways to clean the wheels on a Marklin train is to use some isopropyl alcohol ( The used to clean cassette tape heads or video recorder heads ) and a cotton wool bud. A little care is needed to make sure that you don't leave it on traction tyres too long but appart from that it is OK.

One problem I have had from using WD 40 ( as you mentioned ) around Marklin trains is that it shows an allrming tendanct to collect on the carbon brushes or the motor and sofen the brushes so they leave a sticky deposit on the rotor, so personally I would avoid the use of that around my trains.
C track,6021,large digital loft layout modelled in the legendary European land of "Moresnet"
Offline dandrikop  
#6 Posted : 02 January 2009 16:47:42(UTC)
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You need a fortune to buy LUX products.

I had similar problems, as it is difficult to clean the locomotives. If you have a relatively small layout without catenary, then you can clean the tracks prior to running locomotives by using a small hand-vacuum cleaner. I use this method, and I clean the tracks of my layout (3,00 x 2,20m) in 2 minutes and my locomotives are almost like being in box after running.
Offline Breitenfurt  
#7 Posted : 02 January 2009 19:12:38(UTC)
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I got the following wheel cleaner from the same German firm that put a motor into my Z scale Ludwig II Hofzug. Don't know if he does other sizes though.

http://www.z-hightech.de...g=4&sprache=englisch

All the best,
Chris.
Offline RDRBerry  
#8 Posted : 02 January 2009 19:32:46(UTC)
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Its real dilemma.

I use a cradle made from flexible polystyrene, and then Peco contact and wire brush and run the loco to get the wheels clear.

However the wagons and coaches etc seem from time to time to need the alcohol based solution I agree is best wiping the rails seems to be the best option.

Ralph
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Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 02 January 2009 19:36:53(UTC)
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Hi and welcome to the forum, FMS.
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Offline FMS  
#10 Posted : 02 January 2009 20:04:57(UTC)
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Hi again. Thank you all.
About the WD40 i make sure that i clean everything very well after i use it. Some times i use up to 4 different pieces of cloth the first one turn usually black and in the end the cloth comes clean, that's when i know that there's no more WD40 or dirt over the track.

As far as i know all this dirt it's also a result of something similar to electrolysis. We have two different type of metals (the track and the one from the wheels)than there's oil and dust and electricity running and this might also contribute to the dirt...or maybe not.

Regards

Regards
FMS
Offline hemau  
#11 Posted : 02 January 2009 22:19:09(UTC)
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Hi, welcome to the forum FMS.
I use a screwdriver for cleaning the wheels for over 45 years, if any muck gets too thick. It's my experience even with Digital/Systems operation, that a regularly used layout does not need special attention for track cleaning or wheel cleaning. Maybe on certain spots of the layout, but not in general. I'm speaking of a mixed M- and C-track layout with 2 main trails of about 10 m. each, run by a CS I. Mfx loco's get 'lost' sometimes but that happens also in clean C-track-sections.
Tracks which are not regularly used however, do need a clean every now and then. I'm trying to figure out if running certain loco's up and down, does the same trick.
If I ever need to clean a track, I use conrads's smoking/cleaning fluid. But it's no general solution to a loco not running well on a certain spot.

And I am certain that most loco's need lubrication after some time, whether 40 hours or more or less. Once I bought a very well-maintained loco but within one hour one of the axles got stuck because of lack of lubricationd. And I mean really stuck: I could move the wheels around the (stuck) axle, so hot and stuck it had become. The train finally ran stuck within 1 m. of track! After cooling down and lubrication, it is still running well and happily ever since.
Best Regards, Henk.
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Offline nevw  
#12 Posted : 03 January 2009 00:20:41(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Caplin
<br />Hi FMS.

New to the forum - welcome to a world of information.

You might look at this link:
http://www.mrsonline.net/html/lux.html
It includes a short video of how a wheel cleaner works.



saves me the trouble. It is a big beast. AS my layout was completed I got the external model. Big mistake as it takes up a lot of room and you have to find a place for it. better off with the one that becomes part of the track.

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Offline FMS  
#13 Posted : 03 January 2009 00:31:18(UTC)
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Hi Again!
Henk this is kind of funny and makes me remind that joke: Americans spent millions of dollars developing a pen that was able to be used in zero gravity, to be used in space missions...russians took a pencil!
Maybe sometimes we should keep things simple and the screwdriver method it's a good example.
I also have the Peco cleaner, but i don't feel confortable turning the locos upside down, even using a cradle, there are so many sensitive parts...i'm looking for a device similar to the one that lux and Trix have, it's simple and pratical.
Regards
FMS
Offline Pianne  
#14 Posted : 03 January 2009 12:00:15(UTC)
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Wouldn't it be possible to convert the Trix cleaning device (also availiable from Conrad) to 3-rail? At first glance, I think a center conductor for the slider and two plastic guards (to avoid the slider touching the brushes) should do the trick. Anyone tried this?
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline hemau  
#15 Posted : 03 January 2009 19:25:10(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by FMS
<br />Hi Again!
Henk this is kind of funny and makes me remind that joke: Americans spent millions of dollars developing a pen that was able to be used in zero gravity, to be used in space missions...russians took a pencil!
Maybe sometimes we should keep things simple and the screwdriver method it's a good example.
I also have the Peco cleaner, but i don't feel confortable turning the locos upside down, even using a cradle, there are so many sensitive parts...i'm looking for a device similar to the one that lux and Trix have, it's simple and pratical.

Nice joke! Now you mention it, I remember it!
What I also meant was not to overdo cleaning wheels or tracks. Even if they don't run well, the problem is likelier in the track or other components than in the loco-wheels. Are the center puko's at the right hight (M-track)? Is the slider in good position?

Indeed loco's are different than 45 years ago as concerning details. This a certain problem concerning maintenance. But if you want to run them, you must give them maintenance now and then, not by the hour but depending on how it sounds. If it's squealing, it needs lubrication.
Best regards, Henk.
C and M track; CS1R and 2 MS
Offline FMS  
#16 Posted : 03 January 2009 22:31:05(UTC)
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Hi Henk,it makes sense,
Pieter-Jan, the idea looks very interesting.

Regards
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FMS
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