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Offline Armando  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2018 05:26:37(UTC)
Armando

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Dear all,

Ever since Märklin decided to bring back replicas of the vintage models from the 60's catalog, I had impatiently been waiting to see the beloved 3045 (Litra N) as a replica. I was beyond thrilled to finally see it in the new item catalog of this year in a set (30470), together with the other stalwart, 3047.

But Alas!!! Upon looking at the photos of the Litra N posted on this forum by Steventrain, I realized. to my greatest disappointment, that the cheap Märklin folks decided to recycle the same boiler from the 3047, without even bothering to remove the lower right headlight, but instead coarsely blacking it out. Also the original boiler on the 3045 had a different structural layout as 3045 (as was the case on the 3046). In my opinion, the diagonal headlight arrangement was one of the distinctive features of the original 3045, which made it stand out above all other contemporary models in the 60's. What a shame!

3045&3046.jpg3047.jpg
Best regards,
Armando García

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Offline NS1200  
#2 Posted : 27 June 2018 09:48:10(UTC)
NS1200

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Not only the headlamp configuration is wrong on the latest issue but the prototype Nr. 204 also had a sort of spoiler under the smokedoor,apparently.

See pictures on following Danish website:

http://www.jernbanen.dk/...lo.php?s=1&lokid=811

Marklin 37846 issued in 2003 correctly reflects the prototype with one lower headlamp missing and having the spoiler under the smokedoor:

http://www.motessparet.se/viewtopic.php?t=3307

Note that 37846 Nr. 209 has correctly 2 cabinwindows on each side whereas Nr.204 only had one on each side,the socalled war configuration,protection against strafing.


A lot of Marklin models from the fifthies and sixties were just an impression of the real thing.
A good example is 3013,an impression of the NS electric series 1100,the 3013 has elevated fronts whereas the prototype has vertical fronts,still the 3013 is sought after by collectors.
The larger version series 1300 had slightly elevated fronts,a clear mix up by Marklin.

https://www.hood.de/i/ma...100-der-ns--36728347.htm

http://www.nicospilt.com/index_Lok1300_2.htm

Another example is Marklin 3098 versus 3086,both have the same dome arrangement but for the Belgian 3086 this is not correct,the latter should only have two domes.



Cheers,

Paul.

Edited by user 27 June 2018 16:39:14(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Henrik Schütz  
#3 Posted : 27 June 2018 18:27:56(UTC)
Henrik Schütz

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DSB type N is a German type 50, The 3045 and 30470 are German type 44 painted like a type N.

Henrik Schütz
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Offline NS1200  
#4 Posted : 27 June 2018 22:26:29(UTC)
NS1200

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Originally Posted by: Henrik Schütz Go to Quoted Post
DSB type N is a German type 50, The 3045 and 30470 are German type 44 painted like a type N.

Henrik Schütz


Good point,i overlooked that!

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Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 28 June 2018 02:57:32(UTC)
river6109

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I think Märklin has done the right thing, as the production is a re-production, not a new or newer model. the only difference I assume is the motor (digital high efficiency motor.) but I can't see the sense in it buying it as there are plenty of BR 44 (DB/SNCF) on the market at a much lower price and in good condition., the Lita N may be much of a collectors item and the second hand & collector price will reflect this.

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Offline Armando  
#6 Posted : 28 June 2018 03:19:30(UTC)
Armando

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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
I think Märklin has done the right thing, as the production is a re-production, not a new or newer model. the only difference I assume is the motor (digital high efficiency motor.) but I can't see the sense in it buying it as there are plenty of BR 44 (DB/SNCF) on the market at a much lower price and in good condition., the Lita N may be much of a collectors item and the second hand & collector price will reflect this.

John


John,

I'm afraid I do not understand the point that you are trying to make. Märklin announced the items as "Reissue of a Märklin classic from the Fifties / Sixties-Reissue of a Märklin classic based on item numbers 3047 and 3045". Like in the case of 3048 and 3021 which were reissued some years back, exactly as they looked, but with a different road number. They are therefore not "reissuing" the Danish Litra N (3045). The botched model that they are bringing is simply the same frame of 3047 with a patched-up headlight. It has nothing to do with the original Litra N of the sixties (3045).
Best regards,
Armando García

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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 06 July 2018 01:11:18(UTC)
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I am pleased to announce a solution to all of your Litra N issues: https://www.roco.cc/en/p...-0-0-002-0/products.html

Regards

Mike C
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Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 06 July 2018 02:40:11(UTC)
river6109

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Originally Posted by: Armando Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
I think Märklin has done the right thing, as the production is a re-production, not a new or newer model. the only difference I assume is the motor (digital high efficiency motor.) but I can't see the sense in it buying it as there are plenty of BR 44 (DB/SNCF) on the market at a much lower price and in good condition., the Lita N may be much of a collectors item and the second hand & collector price will reflect this.

John


John,

I'm afraid I do not understand the point that you are trying to make. Märklin announced the items as "Reissue of a Märklin classic from the Fifties / Sixties-Reissue of a Märklin classic based on item numbers 3047 and 3045". Like in the case of 3048 and 3021 which were reissued some years back, exactly as they looked, but with a different road number. They are therefore not "reissuing" the Danish Litra N (3045). The botched model that they are bringing is simply the same frame of 3047 with a patched-up headlight. It has nothing to do with the original Litra N of the sixties (3045).


Mike, I take your point



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Offline Armando  
#9 Posted : 07 July 2018 01:00:40(UTC)
Armando

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I am pleased to announce a solution to all of your Litra N issues: https://www.roco.cc/en/p...-0-0-002-0/products.html

Regards

Mike C


I'm sorry, Mike, but this is not the point. The issue in question here is not a faithful reproduction of the real Litra N (BR 50). The point here is the "reissue" of a Märklin classic from the 60's (warts and all), as was announced in the new item catalog. Simply put, Märklin are not "reissuing" the item (3045), but rather recycling another item's body and boiler, instead (3047).
Best regards,
Armando García

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Offline mike c  
#10 Posted : 07 July 2018 03:52:19(UTC)
mike c

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Maerklin released the 40661 set of 4 tinplate SBB coaches. I was rather bothered by the lettering and numbering on the Restaurant. The coach was intended to receive the old numbers, but had already received the new UIC numbers on delivery and never had the old WR 101XX inscriptions. By the same token, Maerklin released tinplate FS coaches, but the new models had a darker grey tone than the original 4063.
I understand why... Maerklin does not want the originals to lose value. They are not putting out the same model as the original.

My solution was to ignore the shade of grey on the FS coaches. I don't have the original, so the coaches match. As far as the SBB ones, I chose to run the new coaches (with one of my original 4066) and without the 4068, which was the wrong scale length to begin with. I run the 4068 with the FS coaches and some DB UIC tinplates all in the same scale length.

If you want the original, they can always be found on ebay ricardo.ch and other auction sites. If you want a repro, you can add the new models.

If you want a prototypical lok to go with your newer models, may be you want to check out what Roco has to offer.

Either way, have fun with your trains.

Mike C
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