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skeeterbuck		#1 Posted : 16 March 2018 17:07:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 523 Location: Maryland, Baltimore		I pickup up the new Roco 2018 items from my dealer. I'm not very familiar with items from other manufacturers as I mainly keep with Märklin products. While checking the digital locos, I noticed that it indicates that the decoders in the AC units says that they are MFX. Does this mean the the MS2 or CS2 will automatically read them the same as the Marklin locos?


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TEEWolf		#2 Posted : 16 March 2018 17:30:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/06/2016(UTC) Posts: 2,465		Originally Posted by: skeeterbuck I pickup up the new Roco 2018 items from my dealer. I'm not very familiar with items from other manufacturers as I mainly keep with Märklin products. While checking the digital locos, I noticed that it indicates that the decoders in the AC units says that they are MFX. Does this mean the the MS2 or CS2 will automatically read them the same as the Marklin locos? I read in the "Stummi" and "Drehscheibe online" communities threads from 2012, where it is described that Roco uses for their AC locos decoders from ESU. These decoders shall have the mfx registration function inside. What you are describing is possible. And yes, in these communities it is reported that the Roco locos register automatically at a MS 2 or CS 2.
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Danlake		#3 Posted : 16 March 2018 19:22:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/08/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,571		Yes, if stated by Roco that they are Mfx compatibles means they have an Esu lokpilot M4 decoder or loksound (Esu uses the phrase M4 instead of Mfx). Else I believe Roco has started using Zimo decoders for their new locomotives which is only MM and DCC protocol. Brgds Lasse
		Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.

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franciscohg		#4 Posted : 16 March 2018 19:42:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Uhlenbrock has also launched mfx cpable decoders.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL

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johnpatrickwack		#5 Posted : 16 March 2018 23:51:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/12/2016(UTC) Posts: 147 Location: Silver Spring, MD, USA		I do have an older Marklin E10 that got a digital conversion, using an Esu lokpilot M4 decoder, thus it has MFX. Apparently, the order of protocols is fixed in that, using the CS3, I can't talk to it using DC, even on the programming track. The capabilities of the decoder seem to be a good deal more limited when using MFX; the documentation lists a number of functions that are configurable using DC, but I'm only getting about 12 using MFX. I kinda wish I'd never gotten the MFX version of the decoder. On the other hand, 12 functions is probably more than enough :-). The issue could also be needing MFX+. Apologies if I've sidetracked the conversation, but I am fairly happy with a new Roco locomotive that does not have MFX. I guess it all depends on your own use case. Cheers, John
		--- John P. Wack Silver Spring, MD

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Danlake		#6 Posted : 17 March 2018 05:34:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/08/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,571		Hi John, You don’t have to use the M4 protocol but can switch it off and then register it as a DCC loco. You have to make sure your CS is setup for multi protocol and then seek guidance in latest Esu decoder manual ch. 9.5 describing how to switch off protocols not needed. As I recall the default priority for Esu lokpilot M4 decoder is: DCC with railcom, then M4, then standard DCC and Motorola followed by lowest priority Selectrix. Brgds Lasse
		Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.

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H0		#7 Posted : 17 March 2018 08:10:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,263 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: johnpatrickwack I do have an older Marklin E10 that got a digital conversion, using an Esu lokpilot M4 decoder, thus it has MFX. [...] The capabilities of the decoder seem to be a good deal more limited when using MFX; the documentation lists a number of functions that are configurable using DC, but I'm only getting about 12 using MFX. So the person who made the conversion did a bad job and did not configure the decoder properly for use with mfx. Originally Posted by: johnpatrickwack I kinda wish I'd never gotten the MFX version of the decoder. It's mostly a matter of experience. You can temporarily disable mfx in your controller. Then you can use DCC to configure the decoder - and you can even disable mfx in the decoder so you can still use DCC for this decoder (driving and programming) when mfx is re-enabled on the controller. And yes: your post was somewhat off topic. Locos that have mfx ex works do not always have a perfect configuration, but you should be able to use more than 12 functions.
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Minok		#8 Posted : 19 March 2018 18:34:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,311 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		What functions do you get in DCC that you don't get in MFX exactly with the "Esu lokpilot M4 decoder"? I'm curious what capabilities are missing when its running in MFX mode .
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Goofy		#9 Posted : 19 March 2018 19:12:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,012		Originally Posted by: skeeterbuck I pickup up the new Roco 2018 items from my dealer. I'm not very familiar with items from other manufacturers as I mainly keep with Märklin products. While checking the digital locos, I noticed that it indicates that the decoders in the AC units says that they are MFX. Does this mean the the MS2 or CS2 will automatically read them the same as the Marklin locos? There is no information about mfx protocol in the news 2018 items. Roco use Zimo decoder and they use only DCC and MM.
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skeeterbuck		#10 Posted : 20 March 2018 03:07:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 523 Location: Maryland, Baltimore		Originally Posted by: Goofy Originally Posted by: skeeterbuck I pickup up the new Roco 2018 items from my dealer. I'm not very familiar with items from other manufacturers as I mainly keep with Märklin products. While checking the digital locos, I noticed that it indicates that the decoders in the AC units says that they are MFX. Does this mean the the MS2 or CS2 will automatically read them the same as the Marklin locos? There is no information about mfx protocol in the news 2018 items. Roco use Zimo decoder and they use only DCC and MM. Your correct, I didn't see it in their catalog. I saw it in the listing of the loco on Reynaulds website. Sorry for any confusion. Chuck Steam locomotive 85 008 of the German State Railroad Company. Epoch II. Rich detailing on the model with many separately applied plug-in parts. Motor with flywheel, LED lighting and intricately elaborate wheel sets. Headlights that change over with the direction of travel, one red tail light. Coupler pocket according to NEM 362 standards and close coupling mechanism on both sides of the locomotive. The AC model is equipped with a mfx®-digital-decoder and many digitally switchable sound functions and dynamic steam from the chimney. The dynamic steam from Roco provides a driving and noise synchronous smoke emission of the locomotive. * Version without smoke deflectors * Model with double headlights * Rich detailing with many separately attached plug-in parts * With dynamic steam from the chimney mfx is a registered trademark of the Gebr. Märklin & Cie. GmbH, Göppingen, Germany


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franciscohg		#11 Posted : 20 March 2018 04:49:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		oh, but it is listed as mfx capable at roco site http://www.roco.cc/es/pr...0-0-002001/products.html
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL

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franciscohg		#12 Posted : 20 March 2018 04:55:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		and that info at zimo site http://www.zimo.at/web20...sletters/rocobr85reg.htm Expired license or M release it, uhlenbrock also have released an mfx capable deco... Perhaps i will get a free mfx deco for my 78271
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL


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Minok		#13 Posted : 20 March 2018 06:21:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,311 Location: Washington, Pacific Northwest		Indeed the Roco page indicates it has an mfx Decoder. http://www.roco.cc/en/pr...0-0-002001/products.html Well if it's a good trend then I'm for it.
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skeeterbuck		#14 Posted : 20 March 2018 12:34:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 523 Location: Maryland, Baltimore		Originally Posted by: franciscohg and that info at zimo site http://www.zimo.at/web20...sletters/rocobr85reg.htm Expired license or M release it, uhlenbrock also have released an mfx capable deco... Perhaps i will get a free mfx deco for my 78271 I don't see why not. Zimo says it's free and that you don't need to send the other back. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. Chuck


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skeeterbuck		#15 Posted : 20 March 2018 12:37:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 523 Location: Maryland, Baltimore		Originally Posted by: Minok Indeed the Roco page indicates it has an mfx Decoder. http://www.roco.cc/en/pr...0-0-002001/products.html Well if it's a good trend then I'm for it. I agree! The info I posted earlier from Reynaulds' site appears to have been taken directly from the Roco site.


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franciscohg		#16 Posted : 20 March 2018 12:56:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,268 Location: Patagonia		Originally Posted by: skeeterbuck Originally Posted by: franciscohg and that info at zimo site http://www.zimo.at/web20...sletters/rocobr85reg.htm Expired license or M release it, uhlenbrock also have released an mfx capable deco... Perhaps i will get a free mfx deco for my 78271 I don't see why not. Zimo says it's free and that you don't need to send the other back. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. Chuck Yes, just too good to be true. More when this model was no advertised as mfx capable.
		German trains era I-II and selected III, era depends on the mood, mostly Maerklin but i can be heretic if needed XD, heresy is no longer an issue.. LOL


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skeeterbuck		#17 Posted : 22 March 2018 13:29:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/12/2015(UTC) Posts: 523 Location: Maryland, Baltimore		Well... I "bit the bullet" and placed an order for this loco. I'm using part of my yearly bonus to cover the costs. It is 3 rail AC and will run on C track and be controlled by a MS2 so I hope it's OK with the "Märklin Forum Polizei" here. Chuck http://www.roco.cc/en/pr...-0-0-0-002/products.html

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