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Offline bugsmasher  
#1 Posted : 10 January 2018 19:20:01(UTC)
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For space reasons, I'm considering switching scale from HO to N. While this saves space/enables a more complex layout, it

**seems to greatly narrow the range of choices available, particularly in sound-equipped locomotives.**

Do users concur with that impression? In HO I have mostly Märklin AC loks (75%) but some Piko and Brawa (25%) and have standardized on Marklin C-track.

To do the same in n-scale DC I suppose I will need to switch to (mostly) Marklin Minitrix for rolling stock and perhaps Kato Unitrack for track.

What other/additional rolling stock and track manufacturers would forum users suggest?

Also, do I assume correctly that most n-scale rolling stock uses some form of Arnold/Rapido coupler?
Offline Eurobahnfan  
#2 Posted : 10 January 2018 20:19:46(UTC)
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When I returned to the hobby, I initially went with N for a number of reasons, one being the seeming incompatibility of couplers across the HO manufacturers: N manufacturers all seemed to be using the same type, so whether the item was Arnold, Minitrix, Fleischmann, etc., everything worked well together.

There also wasn't the two-versus-three rail/middle contact decision to make either ;) If I were to re-enter the N scale arena once more, I would definitely consider the Kato Unitrack system for its simplicity, even though it's a little pricey.
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Offline ChrisWV10  
#3 Posted : 10 January 2018 20:22:58(UTC)
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I’m actually considering going the other way, N to HO. Why? Greater choice of models with more features and, I believe, reliable running with less random uncouples and derailments. It’s easier on the eyes, less fiddly and HO has more plug n play options.

To some extent it depends on the region you’re modelling. For Continental Europe you’re looking at Minitrix, Fleischmann, Piko, Jägerndorfer, Arnold, Hobbytrain. British outline is served by Graham Farish and Dapol but note that British N scale rolling stock is 1:148, not the US and continental scale 1:160 though track gauge is the same. US stock you have Kato and Atlas. I use Unitrack and its great for repeated assembly/disassembly and largely reliable I’ve found but there are no curved turnouts in Unitrack. Something you might need to consider. I don’t know the availability of the European manufacturers in the US but Kato is popular but only available off the shelf in DC. DCC decoders are from Digitrax and TCS and are mostly drop in replacement boards.

Sound is becoming more viable in N. Obviously space is a limitation but it is out there. Have a look at some retailers and manufacturer websites to see what’s available in your neck of the woods.

C. :)

PS as far as I know European manufacturers all use the Rapido couplers but US tend to use ez mate/knuckle couplers.
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Offline ChrisWV10  
#4 Posted : 10 January 2018 20:30:55(UTC)
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A bit more on DCC... the standard to date has been 6 pin plug in but recently, at least in Euro models this has diversified into Next18, minitrix proprietary 14 pin, plux12 and plux22. Just something to beware of if going the DCC route. Also not all models are DCC ready with a decoder socket. Some still need soldering inThumbDown

(I never expected my knowledge of N to come in handy on this forum!)Wink

C. :)
Offline mike c  
#5 Posted : 10 January 2018 20:58:42(UTC)
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Switching from HO to N track can cause derailmentsOhMyGod LOL

It is your decision. N scale allows you to have a larger layout in the same space, but there may be some drawbacks in terms of technology.
I do not have any idea how easy it is to retrofit older N scale models to digital. I don't know if manufacturers provided enough space inside the locomotive shells for decoders and PC boards.
Newer models should be easily converted, as most will have a 4 or 6 pin socket.

As far as brands, you can take a look at Minitrix (Trix is the HO brand), Arnold (the N scale brand of Lima/Rivarossi/Hornby), Roco, PiRATA (Italy), LS Models (Lemke in Germany), ACME, etc.
There are some differences between brands. For example, the SBB Re 484 and Cisalpino coaches from Arnold or Minitrix. If you go to a major European shop, you can find the entire selection of available N scale product.

One other option that you could consider would be changing your layout to HOm or HOe, which uses HO scale models on narrow gauge track, meaning that you can have the track space of a N layout (HOe) but still have the 1/87 scale for the models.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Carim  
#6 Posted : 10 January 2018 21:23:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post


One other option.......


Well if you are considering other options.....how about Z scale?

Carim
Offline danmarklinman  
#7 Posted : 10 January 2018 22:59:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post


One other option.......


Well if you are considering other options.....how about Z scale?

Carim


Carim has hit the nail on the head? Z models are very much better, especially the steam locos these days? I have seen many lovely models in N, but the all run better if the makes are not mixed up? If you use z that will not happen, as it’s all by Marklin? But of course the range is very small compared with N. Here in the UK, Bachmann( Graham Farish) are very nice looking models and I’ve been very tempted by them. But you still need, a fair bit of space, to do the train lengths justification?
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Offline michelvr  
#8 Posted : 11 January 2018 01:27:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Switching from HO to N track can cause derailmentsOhMyGod LOL

It is your decision. N scale allows you to have a larger layout in the same space, but there may be some drawbacks in terms of technology.
I do not have any idea how easy it is to retrofit older N scale models to digital. I don't know if manufacturers provided enough space inside the locomotive shells for decoders and PC boards.
Newer models should be easily converted, as most will have a 4 or 6 pin socket.

As far as brands, you can take a look at Minitrix (Trix is the HO brand), Arnold (the N scale brand of Lima/Rivarossi/Hornby), Roco, PiRATA (Italy), LS Models (Lemke in Germany), ACME, etc.
There are some differences between brands. For example, the SBB Re 484 and Cisalpino coaches from Arnold or Minitrix. If you go to a major European shop, you can find the entire selection of available N scale product.

One other option that you could consider would be changing your layout to HOm or HOe, which uses HO scale models on narrow gauge track, meaning that you can have the track space of a N layout (HOe) but still have the 1/87 scale for the models.

Regards

Mike C


Actually no worries if you install telescoping axles on the trains!Flapper
Offline michelvr  
#9 Posted : 11 January 2018 01:29:53(UTC)
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I was a lover of N scale for many a years and still love them!

My thought on this to to buy yourself a starter set and see where it takes you. Maybe I'll try the same!!ThumpUp
Offline dzug  
#10 Posted : 11 January 2018 05:27:26(UTC)
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I switched to N from Marklin HO a little over 10 years ago now and haven’t looked back (although my future dream layout is still a Marklin HO railroad). These days you will find most new locomotive releases have a sound option available for the factory. It is only older models where you will be somewhat limited - and finding room for sound decoders will be mostly impossible in many loks that are not ready for sound. That said sound in N is not all that great as an 8 or 9 mm speaker cannot put out that quality of sound that a HO scale speaker can. Manufacturers often ship the locos with the volume set way too loud for the tiny speakers and that does not help either. I try to buy as many loks now with dcc installed as the growing number of decoder socket standards is getting to be a pain. With the old NEM 651 6-pin decoder it was not an issue but these days it seems you have to buy a manufacturer’s specific decoder for each loco.

I use Kato Unitrack for all my hidden staging areas as I have found it needs less maintenance than any other track brand (the metal just resists oxidation better I guess) and I use Peco code 55 track and turnouts for my visible areas as it looks much closer to scale. The code 55 track has some Rail embedded in the ties so it looks fine scale but also allows for the deeper wheel flanges of euro n scale. When I first started in n I tried using unitrack for everything but I just didn’t like the look of it in the visible areas. It is great for planning and getting an idea of what I s possible before laying track permentantly (just like c-track is).

The Arnold rapido coupler is still the standard and it works pretty well however the Flesichmann profi coupler is quite nice and has a few advantages. Most newer loks and rolling stock will have NEM coupler pockets so exchanging couplers is easy.

Other have listed the main manufacturers and Trix/flesichmann still have the highest volume of new releases followed by Arnold. New molding seems to have slowed down in recent years due to tighter budgets but other brands such as Lemke Hobbytrain and Modellbahn Union have picked up the slack by producing new models of ‘missing’ loks and rolling stock. Much like Marklin if you see something you like you generally have to order it when it is announced or released to retail as many models only get a single production run. Although eBay Germany is a always a good source for deals and out of production models - just be wary of used locos as many can have more issues than initially evident and parts can be a pain to obtain.
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Offline bugsmasher  
#11 Posted : 11 January 2018 05:33:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
I was a lover of N scale for many a years and still love them!

My thought on this to to buy yourself a starter set and see where it takes you. Maybe I'll try the same!!ThumpUp


I am staying with HO Märklin/Piko/Brawa for purposes of my European Train Enthusiasts (etegl.org) modules representing/emulating Trossingen, Germany.

I have starter Kato double-track sets V11 and V14, Kato EMD SD70ACe Union Pacific #8512, the Kato Union Pacific passenger train, and a BLI EMD E6 A/B also Union Pacific -- all DCC digitally controlled with NCE Powercab, or simple DC analog control depending on how I set up/select power to the tracks. (AC-digital, Marklin CS3 Plus on my HO modules.)

I plan to build two separate n-scale layouts in 10 ft x 10 ft spaces:

1. European "Lotschberg" line (including Bietschtal and Mündbach bridges)
2. American "Sherman Hill" (Union Pacific including even a gas turbine if I can find one).

Looking for long continuous runs with minimum of shunting/shifting. But possibly up to 3 trains at once with signals and passing sidings. The V11 and V14 sets can be combined to provide an attractive double-track loop (4-track in center) with no crossovers and electrically independent and non-interfering tracks in a 9 ft x 5 ft space.

Looks like Fleischman and Piko may provide as much DCC-sound and rolling stock as Märklin Minitrix?

Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 11 January 2018 08:32:19(UTC)
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Carim has hit the nail on the head? Z models are very much better, especially the steam locos these days? I have seen many lovely models in N, but the all run better if the makes are not mixed up? If you use z that will not happen, as it’s all by Marklin? But of course the range is very small compared with N. Here in the UK, Bachmann( Graham Farish) are very nice looking models and I’ve been very tempted by them. But you still need, a fair bit of space, to do the train lengths justification?
Lots of questions marks. Are you asking questions? Or are you unsure about your statements?

Some Z gauge locos in the Märklin catalogue are actually AZL products in boxes with Märklin logo ("co-operation"). So it is not all by Märklin.

I assume that contact problems increase when size reduction increases: N is worse than H0, Z is worse than N, ZZ is worse than Z, T is worse than ZZ.
It's similar for choice of models.

Some are happy driving a perfectly detailed I gauge loco left and right on a straight track, some are happy with a Z gauge layout that allows running long trains in a small space.
Make your choice - or maybe have both: a I gauge loco for the shelf, and a layout in Z or N or T.
Regards
Tom
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