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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#1 Posted : 05 December 2017 19:53:49(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Hi everyone,

I'm FINALLY ordering the fohrman tools I've been putting off without for years. (flex track clamps, wheel gauge, wheel press)

One Item I was debating which version of to order- or whether I need it at all- is their wheel pullers. Does anyone know what is the difference between the two, or their application? I couldn't figure it out from the german language video:

https://www.fohrmann.com/en/mini-wheel-puller.html

https://www.fohrmann.com...el-puller-z-n-tt-h0.html


Thanks! Any other tool recommendations from them would also be appreciated...
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Offline Unholz  
#2 Posted : 05 December 2017 20:25:14(UTC)
Unholz

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The first one of them seems to be made for large wheel diameters (up to 64 mm), the other one only for gauges Z, N and TT (this info shows up when you run your mouse over the pictures and enlarge them).
Offline dominator  
#3 Posted : 05 December 2017 22:04:19(UTC)
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that second one looks like it wont fit around most wheels. the first one is adjustable.

I made my own. I do have a lathe to make things easier, but not necessary.

I drilled a 10mm bolts to take an [ undersize axle ] length of steel [ the "peg" ]. I drilled and bent a pc of panel steel to act as the puller legs. I fitted the legs to the bolt and wound a nut on, which locked against the panel steel legs. The " peg" was inserted in the bolt and we had a puller. Some locos have the wheels so close together that the thin panel steel was perfect to get around. The wheels are not so tight on the axles either so the panel steel is plenty strong enough and it can be adjusted for the size if the wheel.

When you live in the boondocks you have to improvise.

Dereck
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Offline michelvr  
#4 Posted : 06 December 2017 15:22:22(UTC)
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Hello John,

Concerning the flex track clamps, get two sets of four, same with adjustable spacer set get two of four. Also while your at it don't forget the ballpoint hexagon key wrench! You might be able to find the ballpoint hexagon key wrench but this one is quality built.

Michel
Offline analogmike  
#5 Posted : 06 December 2017 15:28:50(UTC)
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Don't get the round one. The adjustable one is way more versatile.
Mikey
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#6 Posted : 06 December 2017 17:23:59(UTC)
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Thanks everyone! Of course they are out of the wheel press/adjuster I need, so I emailed to see when it will be back in stock. Then my DC to AC conversions can be fine tuned... (currently we have some sparking over C track switches, particularly with Rivarossi Italian steam locos...)
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Offline jvuye  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2017 20:57:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Go to Quoted Post
Hi everyone,

I'm FINALLY ordering the fohrman tools I've been putting off without for years. (flex track clamps, wheel gauge, wheel press)

One Item I was debating which version of to order- or whether I need it at all- is their wheel pullers. Does anyone know what is the difference between the two, or their application? I couldn't figure it out from the german language video:

https://www.fohrmann.com/en/mini-wheel-puller.html

https://www.fohrmann.com...el-puller-z-n-tt-h0.html


Thanks! Any other tool recommendations from them would also be appreciated...


Hi John
The adjustable one is the most flexible, but it's sometimes a bit awkward to adust and center properly
It is especially useful to remove axles from locos
The "mini" one is easier to use on wheel up to 13...14 mm, and would be your primary tool when re-adjusting wheel spacing on coaches' axles
More than anything else make sure you have a complete range of spindles and always use the right one.
They're inexpensive, will last a lifetime and interchangeable beween the various pullers.

Cheers

Jacques


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Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
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Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#8 Posted : 06 December 2017 21:09:24(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Go to Quoted Post
Hi everyone,

I'm FINALLY ordering the fohrman tools I've been putting off without for years. (flex track clamps, wheel gauge, wheel press)

One Item I was debating which version of to order- or whether I need it at all- is their wheel pullers. Does anyone know what is the difference between the two, or their application? I couldn't figure it out from the german language video:

https://www.fohrmann.com/en/mini-wheel-puller.html

https://www.fohrmann.com...el-puller-z-n-tt-h0.html


Thanks! Any other tool recommendations from them would also be appreciated...


Hi John
The adjustable one is the most flexible, but it's sometimes a bit awkward to adust and center properly
It is especially useful to remove axles from locos
The "mini" one is easier to use on wheel up to 13...14 mm, and would be your primary tool when re-adjusting wheel spacing on coaches' axles
More than anything else make sure you have a complete range of spindles and always use the right one.
They're inexpensive, will last a lifetime and interchangeable beween the various pullers.

Cheers

Jacques




Thanks so much Jacques!! Which springs another question, is the "mini" puller better than the spacer tool I was planning on buying for adjusting gauge? It seems the latter is better, but then again I have no idea. https://www.fohrmann.com/en/wheel-spacer.html
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Offline Minok  
#9 Posted : 06 December 2017 21:28:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Hello John,

Concerning the flex track clamps, get two sets of four,


I'm curious, why would one need 2 sets of 4 (8 clamps?) and not just 2? I'd think 2 clamps could lock in a single piece of flex track which you then properly attatch to the layout and then can remove the clamps and move to the next bit.
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Offline PMPeter  
#10 Posted : 06 December 2017 21:51:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Go to Quoted Post


Thanks so much Jacques!! Which springs another question, is the "mini" puller better than the spacer tool I was planning on buying for adjusting gauge? It seems the latter is better, but then again I have no idea. https://www.fohrmann.com/en/wheel-spacer.html


I bought the Spacer and love it since you can go in either direction. With the puller I am not sure how you would push unless you use both the puller and press.

Fohrmann also has a great soldering oil for soldering on to SS. However, I recently heard from another member that they will no longer ship this to Canada (USA?).

Cheers
Peter
Offline PMPeter  
#11 Posted : 06 December 2017 21:55:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Hello John,

Concerning the flex track clamps, get two sets of four,


I'm curious, why would one need 2 sets of 4 (8 clamps?) and not just 2? I'd think 2 clamps could lock in a single piece of flex track which you then properly attatch to the layout and then can remove the clamps and move to the next bit.


I thought like you originally and only bought one set of 4 and quickly realized if I want to do an S curve or anything more complex than a sweeping curve I will require at least 6 clamps. I had to go back and buy another set and pay another S&H fee. I agree that 8 is optimum and I hardly ever use less than 6.

I'm not sure if you need 2 sets of the adjustable parallel track clamps, but for the same reason, I'm sure you will encounter a situation where 1 is not enough.

Peter

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Offline jvuye  
#12 Posted : 07 December 2017 08:16:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Go to Quoted Post
..... Which springs another question, is the "mini" puller better than the spacer tool I was planning on buying for adjusting gauge? It seems the latter is better, but then again I have no idea. https://www.fohrmann.com/en/wheel-spacer.html


As PMpeter replied, not the same tool! The puller just "pulls", the spacer can work both ways.

The spacer will allow for very accurate adjustments, but would be often awkward to use to **pull** the wheels off a loco.
It will be OK to push the wheels back on the axle, when e.g. you adjust spacing from a 2 rail to a 3 rail spec.

But you're asking the right questions!!Wink Wink

Cheers

Jacques

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Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#13 Posted : 07 December 2017 16:29:05(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 5HorizonsRR Go to Quoted Post
..... Which springs another question, is the "mini" puller better than the spacer tool I was planning on buying for adjusting gauge? It seems the latter is better, but then again I have no idea. https://www.fohrmann.com/en/wheel-spacer.html


As PMpeter replied, not the same tool! The puller just "pulls", the spacer can work both ways.

The spacer will allow for very accurate adjustments, but would be often awkward to use to **pull** the wheels off a loco.
It will be OK to push the wheels back on the axle, when e.g. you adjust spacing from a 2 rail to a 3 rail spec.

But you're asking the right questions!!Wink Wink

Cheers

Jacques



Thanks as always- you are a fountain of knowledge! Missing you on this side of the pond, although your absence has forced me to learn! BigGrin
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Offline Minok  
#14 Posted : 07 December 2017 21:11:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: michelvr Go to Quoted Post
Hello John,

Concerning the flex track clamps, get two sets of four,


I'm curious, why would one need 2 sets of 4 (8 clamps?) and not just 2? I'd think 2 clamps could lock in a single piece of flex track which you then properly attatch to the layout and then can remove the clamps and move to the next bit.


I thought like you originally and only bought one set of 4 and quickly realized if I want to do an S curve or anything more complex than a sweeping curve I will require at least 6 clamps. I had to go back and buy another set and pay another S&H fee. I agree that 8 is optimum and I hardly ever use less than 6.

I'm not sure if you need 2 sets of the adjustable parallel track clamps, but for the same reason, I'm sure you will encounter a situation where 1 is not enough.

Peter



Make sense - I suppose its tied to where you configure the track. Two clamps will lock down a single track to a single arc. Each new arc segment (radius changes or direction changes) would require an additional clamp. Though if you can work on the place you are installing the track could you not clamp the first arc segment, screw it down, then move the first clamp to the next spot, shape it, clamp it, screw it down, and keep hopping with a clamp over the other until the segment is done? Not ideal, for sure, as having 3 or 4 clamps would make life easier, especially if you are gluing and not screwing down the track and thus need the entire section to hold its complex shape as you attach it all in one go.
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Offline PMPeter  
#15 Posted : 07 December 2017 22:27:53(UTC)
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I solder all my K track connections within a "block". So in order to cut the rail correctly and add the 7595 connectors and solder them in place I need to retain the entire shape. Once all the soldering is done, wires as required are attached, I connect the track "block"to the existing track with 7522 isolation pieces, nail the track to the cork and remove the clamps. In most cases I can do this with 6 clamps. I got very frustrated when I only had 4.

Peter
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