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Offline kimballthurlow  
#1 Posted : 20 September 2016 02:57:21(UTC)
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Hi all,
43256 Review


Overview:
I have been interested in this set for a long time, but the information regarding car running numbers and time period has been almost non-existent. This thread may alleviate that problem, as the search engines will pick it up pretty quickly. I have produced images to cover each car in the set.
MattJ70 member on this forum has posted a very useful video of the set in use. 43256 video

Maerklin released the 43256 passenger car set in 2014, for Insider members, and was designed to be pulled by the Insider locomotive for that year, the cab-forward 05 003 (article #39053). See later in the article for the various choices I made for locos to haul this train.

It is advertised as running in the late 1930s, consisting of 6 cars for a Berlin to Stuttgart train. I personally use it for a train after 1946, but again, running how or when is modellers licence. I note that Fleischmann also released separate cars in 2004 for a similar train, in their number series 84585x. These are different car types, with destination Munich, so if you wish to run representative trains of the time, these might complement the Marklin set. As you will see later, I added one of the Fleischmann cars to my own consist.

Firstly, here is the Marklin description in English - I acknowledge their copyright.
Prototype:
6 different design German State Railroad (DRB) express train passenger cars. Version as D 12 for the train route Berlin - Stuttgart.
1 type C4ü-23 "Hechtwagen" / "Pike Car" express train passenger car, 3rd class.
1 type WR4ü(39) MITROPA "Schürzenwagen" / "Skirted Car" dining car.
1 type AB4ü-38 "Schürzenwagen" / "Skirted Car" express train passenger car, 1st/2nd class.
1 type C4ü-39 "Schürzenwagen" / "Skirted Car" express train passenger car, 3rd class.
1 type Pw4ü-23 "Hechtwagen" / "Pike Car" express train baggage car.
1 type Post4ü-a German State Postal System "Schürzenwagen" / "Skirted Car" express train mail car.
The cars look as they did at the end of the Thirties. The mail car comes with factory-installed lighted upper marker lights at one end.


Car numbering:
The car numbers are as follows:
Post 4ü 4815 Stg Schürzenwagen
Pw4ü 105105 Stg Hecht
C4ü 16009 Stg Hecht
Speisewagen 1206 MITROPA Schürzenwagen
C4üe 19360 Stg Schürzenwagen
AB4üe 11689 Stg Schürzenwagen

Description, suitable locos, and running notes:
Marklin say the set is a model of D12, on the journey from Berlin to Stuttgart via Leipzig and Munich. All cars in this set belonged to the Stuttgart car pool, as shown by the Stg after the running number. The typical motive power would have been one of the more powerful steam locomotives such as the BR39, BR05, BR03 or BR01. In the electrified sections, the E18 and E19, and perhaps the E17, were the motive power of choice.

This car set has 3 cars for passengers, one restaurant car, one postal sorting car, and one baggage car. The postal car is designed to be the last car in the train, as small working red working (LED) end lights have been fitted in the roof top. All the cars have representative interiors in appropriate colouring. No interior lighting is supplied but lighting kits can be installed in all of the cars. To carry the current between each of the cars, the 7319 or the 72020/72021 current-conducting couplers can be used.
I have set up lighting in these types of cars using the Marklin accessory without problems.

On close inspection, each car has a lubrication plate showing March of 1940. The cars are to Marklin's high standard of finish, and no doubt are familiar to many, because they have been reproduced in dozens of colour schemes, and in sets, since the late 1990s. So my photographs are designed to highlight some particular detail.

As well as the fine lettering for destination, and on the sides and undercarriage, the cars are marked with the train position number, as follows:
16009 C4üe car #6
11689 AB4üe car #7
19360 C4üe car #8
I would suggest that the speisewagen would have been marshalled next to car #7, the AB (1st/2nd class car). So perhaps between cars 7 and 8.

Here is an example of the car position number attached above the destination blind:
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Details and photos of each car:


Firstly, the passenger cars are as follows.
the AB4ü-38 is car number 11689 Stg. Stg means it belonged to the Stuttgart car pool. It has compartments for both 1st and 2nd class.
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The C4ü-23 Hecht car is running number 16009 Stg. This car is 3rd class only, presumably with no upholstery on the seats.
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Here is a picture of the other 3rd class car, the skirted C4üe #19360. (Schurzenwagen).
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The other 3 cars are the restaurant (speisewagen) car, the baggage and the mail car.
The restaurant car has been modelled before in other DSG schemes, and here it is pre-1945, bearing the MITROPA brand.

Speisewagen 1206 MITROPA Schürzenwagen
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The seating end.
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The baggage car has also been modelled by Marklin for other eras.
Pw4ü 105105 Stg Hecht
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The mail car is quite an iconic model, with skylights in the roof to aid letter sorting in daylight, and tiny LED end-of-train markers in the car roof end. A photo of the marker lamps when lit is shown later. You can see the current pick-up under the bogie, and the little lamps in the roof above.

Post 4ü 4815 Stg Schürzenwagen
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Additions:
In order to make my train up to 7 cars, I added a 3rd class compartment car (un-skirted from the 1935 DRG car build program) using the Fleischmann catalogue #845854 for the same era. The car is #16582, from the car pool at Munich.
Close examination of the destination blind at the side shows it is running in a Berlin-Munich train, but I am using it anyway.
The roof is silver, unlike the dark grey of the Marklin units. The overall green with ivory striping, is almost a perfect match, as shown photographed end to end with a Marklin 3rd class car. The Fleischmann is the car on the right.
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Summing up:
An extra 3 passenger cars to make 9 in all, (perhaps a sleeper or two if used to model an overnight train) would be a prototypical length, though many of us would find that difficult to run on a layout.
In this operational sequence, the fireman looks back over the tender top as 05 003 backs onto the train in the fading evening light. It has just been brought in by an E18 electric, and the BR 05 steam engine is scheduled to continue the journey into the night.

I took this photo to show the end lights (LED) in the Post car.
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Kimball

Edited by user 28 May 2017 23:19:27(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#2 Posted : 21 September 2016 08:35:31(UTC)
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combined in the first post....

Kimball

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Offline GlennM  
#3 Posted : 22 September 2016 00:37:17(UTC)
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Interesting review Kimball, I always like to learn what all the signs mean on the coaches and rolling stock.

Was this the set that was issued primarily to be run with the Cab Forward loco?

BR
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#4 Posted : 22 September 2016 06:27:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
Interesting review Kimball, I always like to learn what all the signs mean on the coaches and rolling stock.

Was this the set that was issued primarily to be run with the Cab Forward loco?

BR


Hi Glenn,
Yes Maerklin quote in their listing, the train is designed to be hauled by the Insider locomotive for that year, the cab-forward 05 003 (article #39053).
I know that in some sections of the Berlin to Munich route, electrification had taken place, and so the train could also have been pulled by the E17, E18, or E19.
We could also say that any powerful steam loco, or powerful electric engine may have been used on this train, having regard to route availability, axle loading restrictions and those sorts of things.

regards
Kimball
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Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 07 October 2016 02:44:11(UTC)
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Kimball, from the pictures you've supplied it looks like there is no gap between cars, which is encouraging., these would do well with my E 18, E 19, E 118 collection of locos and I assume they are 1:87.

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#6 Posted : 24 March 2017 07:30:13(UTC)
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combined into the first post....
Kimball

Edited by user 01 April 2017 01:04:54(UTC)  | Reason: added some text for detail

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Offline foumaro  
#7 Posted : 24 March 2017 11:19:31(UTC)
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Amazing composition Kimball.Can you tell us the type of the locos you are running this train?ThumpUp Love
Offline kimballthurlow  
#8 Posted : 24 March 2017 21:35:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
Amazing composition Kimball.Can you tell us the type of the locos you are running this train?ThumpUp Love


Hi Panayotis,

Thanks for asking.
Yes, I have been running this train quite a bit, and even added one red Mitropa sleeper, a clerestoried Fleischmann MITROPA- a real oldie.
I am running it for around 1946/7 and for that I have to use a bit of imagination.
So I will take some photos of the consist sooner or later.
It is a very heavy train, but I can say that the Marklin engines do not even balk at the task. They just lift it away without any problems.

The engines I like using on it are:
1. A class 41 steam engine from an old start set 2995, my only BR41. It is a real hauler. I bought it already converted from Delta to digital.
2. #39050 the Insider model for 2007, BR05 (for post-war) which was the unstreamlined version. With such big wheels, I doubt if in real life the engine would have been used on such a heavy train, except in very level sections.
3. #37681, an electric E18 which I purchased from 5horizonsRR of this parish.
4. #37914 BR03 streamlined steam loco which I have upgraded with an MSD3 sound.
5. #39393 BR39

Regarding the BR41, I had been running it for quite some weeks, and then suddenly it slowed, ran for a few circuits and gradually stopped.
Then the whole layout shut down, so I don't know what went wrong, some short in it.
I have taken it off the layout, and everything goes fine.
- will get that engine looked at some time, don't know when, it's only a hobby.

regards
Kimball

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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 24 March 2017 22:56:59(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
2. #39050 the Insider model for 2007, BR05 (for post-war) which was the unstreamlined version. With such big wheels, I doubt if in real life the engine would have been used on such a heavy train, except in very level sections.
The steel of the boiler soon became brittle and the pressure was reduced from 20 bar to 16 bar and was used for rather light-weight F trains.
For your time frame it probably still used the full boiler pressure and I expect it could haul as much as a BR 01 or BR 01.10.

Regards
Tom
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#10 Posted : 25 March 2017 08:14:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
2. #39050 the Insider model for 2007, BR05 (for post-war) which was the unstreamlined version. With such big wheels, I doubt if in real life the engine would have been used on such a heavy train, except in very level sections.
The steel of the boiler soon became brittle and the pressure was reduced from 20 bar to 16 bar and was used for rather light-weight F trains.
For your time frame it probably still used the full boiler pressure and I expect it could haul as much as a BR 01 or BR 01.10.



Oh thanks for that Tom, I did not know. When the 39050 was issued in 2007 you could purchase an optional add-on Merkur 3 car passenger set #43290, for the early 1950s.
Your information makes sense of such a short train.

regards
Kimball
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#11 Posted : 25 March 2017 09:12:25(UTC)
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The choises of the locomotives are very interesting too Kimball.I am running a similar train with the 43201,43211,43221,43231,43241,43251,43266,42232 and 42252 wagons with BR 05 37052 and BR 01 39011 locomotives.I would like to have a 37911 but this locomotive do not have sounds.I am expecting marklin give us a BR 01.10 with new decoder.Maybe next year.
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#12 Posted : 25 March 2017 10:43:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
The choises of the locomotives are very interesting too Kimball.I am running a similar train with the 43201,43211,43221,43231,43241,43251,43266,42232 and 42252 wagons with BR 05 37052 and BR 01 39011 locomotives.I would like to have a 37911 but this locomotive do not have sounds.I am expecting marklin give us a BR 01.10 with new decoder.Maybe next year.


Hi Panyotis,
Well those cars you have appear to be for the 1930s, so similar to the 43256 set, but with different road numbers.
Can you read the destination signs on the side?

Unlike most Marklin fans, I do not own a BR01. I think my favourite is the BR39, of which Marklin build a few in different eras.

regards
Kimball
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#13 Posted : 25 March 2017 12:41:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
The choises of the locomotives are very interesting too Kimball.I am running a similar train with the 43201,43211,43221,43231,43241,43251,43266,42232 and 42252 wagons with BR 05 37052 and BR 01 39011 locomotives.I would like to have a 37911 but this locomotive do not have sounds.I am expecting marklin give us a BR 01.10 with new decoder.Maybe next year.


You could probably add to that the 43250. There is also in the Trix range at the same time I think it is the 43250 with a different raod number, but it could be the 43251 with a different road number. I would have to get the catalogues out to determine which, and what the Trix catalogue number is.

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#14 Posted : 25 March 2017 19:58:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
The choises of the locomotives are very interesting too Kimball.I am running a similar train with the 43201,43211,43221,43231,43241,43251,43266,42232 and 42252 wagons with BR 05 37052 and BR 01 39011 locomotives.I would like to have a 37911 but this locomotive do not have sounds.I am expecting marklin give us a BR 01.10 with new decoder.Maybe next year.


You could probably add to that the 43250. There is also in the Trix range at the same time I think it is the 43250 with a different raod number, but it could be the 43251 with a different road number. I would have to get the catalogues out to determine which, and what the Trix catalogue number is.



Thank you very much Alan.I forgot to say that i am running the train with a baggage car from 42229 ot 2860 marklin trains.
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#15 Posted : 25 March 2017 20:02:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
The choises of the locomotives are very interesting too Kimball.I am running a similar train with the 43201,43211,43221,43231,43241,43251,43266,42232 and 42252 wagons with BR 05 37052 and BR 01 39011 locomotives.I would like to have a 37911 but this locomotive do not have sounds.I am expecting marklin give us a BR 01.10 with new decoder.Maybe next year.


Hi Panyotis,
Well those cars you have appear to be for the 1930s, so similar to the 43256 set, but with different road numbers.
Can you read the destination signs on the side?

Unlike most Marklin fans, I do not own a BR01. I think my favourite is the BR39, of which Marklin build a few in different eras.

regards
Kimball


I can read
Munchen
Augsburg-Nurnberg-Halle
Berlin Ahb
The letters are very small,so maybe i have a mistake.
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Offline Dave Banks  
#16 Posted : 27 March 2017 08:02:21(UTC)
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You might like to add this unique BR52 1911 to the WW2 collection:

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#17 Posted : 31 March 2017 06:51:53(UTC)
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Also combined into the first post.....
In order to make my train a little different with 7 cars, I added a 3rd class compartment car (un-skirted from the 1935 DRG car build program) using the Fleischmann 845854 for the same era.
The car number is 16582, from the car pool at Munich.
Close examination of the destination blind at the side shows it is running in a Berlin-Munich train, but I am using it anyway.
The roof has a different colour from the Marklin units.
The green with ivory striping, is almost a perfect match, as shown photographed end to end with a Marklin 3rd class car.
The Fleischmann is the car on the right.

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Kimball

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Offline mattj70  
#18 Posted : 13 April 2017 03:01:44(UTC)
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I love the car set! All the Era 2 Steamers and the E19 in Red are fantastic looking. The streamliners BR03, BR05 red and black are my favorites, have two 39011 as well for all these coaches I have acquired over the years.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#19 Posted : 28 May 2017 23:21:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mattj70 Go to Quoted Post
I love the car set! All the Era 2 Steamers and the E19 in Red are fantastic looking. The streamliners BR03, BR05 red and black are my favorites, have two 39011 as well for all these coaches I have acquired over the years.



Matt has posted a video of this set here on the forum.
43256 video

Kimball


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