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Offline Eisenhower  
#1 Posted : 10 November 2008 10:14:44(UTC)
Eisenhower

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Location: Midtjylland
Hello All
<ul>
<li><u>Tehcnical data:</u></li>
<li>IB </li>
<li>IB Switch </li>
<li>Transformer, track power 70VA (Uhlenbrock) </li>
<li>2 feedback modules (# 63350) </li>
<li>2 switch tracks modules (# 63410)</li>
<li>C-rails </li>
<li>HO </li>
<li>Digital Format: Motorola New</li>
<li>For now: approx. 80 meters of rails</li>
<li>Seperate transformer 52VA powering #63410</li>
<li>25 contact points - modified C-track</li>
</ul>

I'm in the process of building my upcoming hidden yard.
It started with that I joined all the rails with only manually switches.
Subsequently, I've checked that there is a good electrical connection in all the rails. All 10 trains ran perfect everywhere on the layout.

Actually, I had only 1 rail link to my IB around. 80 meters of rails - it ran perfectly with 10 trains. (Later on I have connected 8 more rails to my power bus)
Now, I started to connect all switch tracks to Uhlenbrock # 63410

Now, the switch tracks works perfect too.

BUT - now all trains is running very "jerky" on virtually all tracks, if they run at all!!.

The same behavior as if there is no good connection in the rails.

Before I start to disassemble the electrical wiring (switches and power bus) - (rolling back to the point where I know the trains ran perfect) I just want to hear your opinion on what can be the route cause ?

I have also done some carpentry while connecting the electrical stuff. Can the dust have caused the problem ?

I love my trains when everything works, but when something is wrong and I cant figure out what the problem is .......arrrggggg [}:)] - wink

But then it is good to have this lovely forum. SmileSmile

Thanks for your time.
Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 10 November 2008 10:42:45(UTC)
Goofy


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Posts: 9,273
Hmmm...

Sounds like porr power on the layout...

Perhaps an booster will support more power to control switches or locomotivs...

Goofy
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline Goofy  
#3 Posted : 10 November 2008 10:45:08(UTC)
Goofy


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P.S.

Have you used enough thick of cable to connecting digitalsystem too...?

At least 0,5 mm to the tracks...?

Goofy
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline Eisenhower  
#4 Posted : 10 November 2008 12:38:15(UTC)
Eisenhower

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I have 9 feeders from the power bus.

The power bus itself is 1.5mm²
and the feeders is 0.75mm²

The switches is supplied from a seperate transformer - so they shouldnt have any influence on the track power.

Can it be my 25 contact rails that gives this kind of problem? - they are added to the layout but not yet connected to the feedback modules - so the wires is just hanging to the floor.
Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline db216  
#5 Posted : 10 November 2008 13:00:32(UTC)
db216

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Location: , Victoria
It could be that the contact tracks are interupting the negative (rail ) return and the power is trying to complete its return through the wheel sets if the contact tracks are on different sides at various points. I had a similar occurance with a grade crossing that wasn,t connected for a while when working on the layout. I hope that makes sense.
Rob
Offline Eisenhower  
#6 Posted : 10 November 2008 19:12:54(UTC)
Eisenhower

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I have made sure that all contact tracks have the same rail side being isolated - but it didnt make any difference.

Comming home from work I jumped right at my problem.

I decided to build a small test track to make sure that it was not the trains decoders that suddenly had got the same "flue".
The trains are fine!

Having my "new" power connection connected to the test track, I tried to connect the test track to the hidden yard I am having trouble with.
The trains stopped the approx. the same spots as they did before I build the test track.

I said to myself "can it be normal bad connection in the track as when you buy some new rails?"
I slightly used some sand paper (180) on the center studs where the trains stopped - and voila the trains ran without problems again.

This brings up a new question:
"Can it be, that C-track is so sensitive ??"

The only thing I can think of is that doing all the electrical work I must have touched the "bad" rails leaving some moist or grease from hand (not seen by the eye). This having the result that the connection between the train and the rails went bad.

2 days ago, as I explained further up in this thread, the complete layout ran perfect.

Now I am getting nervous about using c-track if I continously have to clean the rails.

What is your opinion:
"Can it be, that C-track is so sensitive ??"




Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline dntower85  
#7 Posted : 10 November 2008 19:20:20(UTC)
dntower85

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Posts: 2,218
Location: Shady Shores, TX - USA
C-Track needs cleaning just like all other tracks. And some decoders are more sensitive to dirty tracks than others.
But c-track does not rust or tarnish like some other tracks so it stays cleaner longer till there is a lot of carbon and dirt build up on the track.
DT
Now powered by ECoS II unit#2, RocRail
era - some time in the future when the space time continuum is disrupted and ICE 3 Trains run on the same rails as the Adler and BR18's.
Offline Pianne  
#8 Posted : 10 November 2008 22:03:35(UTC)
Pianne


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Location: Bruges,
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Eisenhower
<br />I have also done some carpentry while connecting the electrical stuff. Can the dust have caused the problem ?
I think so! Better not to use a saw or sander in the layout room!wink
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline Eisenhower  
#9 Posted : 10 November 2008 22:24:25(UTC)
Eisenhower

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There is no doubt in my mind now!
It is dirty tracks that has caused the problem.
I'll create a new thread asking for "what track cleaning car would you suggest"

Thanks for your help
Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
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