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Offline twmarklinfan  
#1 Posted : 16 December 2016 09:07:23(UTC)
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Hi All,

I may be beining incredibly stupid bit I can't find any info about this latest version of the BR 10 with regard to the colour of the lights. Does anyone know if they are white or the yellow colour the earlier models have?

Thanks
Adrian
Offline esgovipa  
#2 Posted : 16 December 2016 11:49:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: twmarklinfan Go to Quoted Post
Hi All,

I may be beining incredibly stupid bit I can't find any info about this latest version of the BR 10 with regard to the colour of the lights. Does anyone know if they are white or the yellow colour the earlier models have?

Thanks
Adrian


May be this video resolve your question...

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Offline twmarklinfan  
#3 Posted : 16 December 2016 13:26:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: twmarklinfan Go to Quoted Post
Hi All,

I may be beining incredibly stupid bit I can't find any info about this latest version of the BR 10 with regard to the colour of the lights. Does anyone know if they are white or the yellow colour the earlier models have?

Thanks
Adrian


May be this video resolve your question...



Thank you very much, exactly what I was looking for. Love now to work out how to finance it!
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Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 16 December 2016 17:56:13(UTC)
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Are chuffing sound correct?
Sounds bad bass sound?
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Offline mb300e4m  
#5 Posted : 01 January 2017 17:08:41(UTC)
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Are chuffing sound correct?
Sounds bad bass sound?


How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
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#6 Posted : 01 January 2017 17:16:31(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.

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Offline mb300e4m  
#7 Posted : 02 January 2017 14:32:24(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.



Thanks Tom, I will check mine.
Peter B.
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Offline DTaylor91  
#8 Posted : 02 January 2017 20:44:42(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.



Thanks Tom, I will check mine.


I have the red BR 10, and there is a switch inside the tender that allows you to select either 3 or 6 chuffs per rotation, not sure if 37085 has the same switch, but it's worth a look!

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Offline twmarklinfan  
#9 Posted : 02 January 2017 21:54:01(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.



Thanks Tom, I will check mine.


I have the red BR 10, and there is a switch inside the tender that allows you to select either 3 or 6 chuffs per rotation, not sure if 37085 has the same switch, but it's worth a look!



Is that the first digital version or the later version with MFX?

Thanks
Adrian
Offline mb300e4m  
#10 Posted : 02 January 2017 22:03:54(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.



Six makes sense. Aren't the cranks offset by 60 degrees from each other and with two chuffs per rev for each crank, that makes six for all three? BigGrin
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Offline mb300e4m  
#11 Posted : 02 January 2017 22:05:32(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.



Thanks Tom, I will check mine.


I have the red BR 10, and there is a switch inside the tender that allows you to select either 3 or 6 chuffs per rotation, not sure if 37085 has the same switch, but it's worth a look!



Thanks Don, I will look inside my tender and see if I have a switch.
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 02 January 2017 22:11:31(UTC)
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Thanks Don, I will look inside my tender and see if I have a switch.
Only the old decoders with DIP switches have this switch.
Modern decoders have CVs for anything that is possible.

Yep - 3 cylinders, 60° offset.
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Offline mb300e4m  
#13 Posted : 04 January 2017 01:25:38(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.



Thanks Tom, I will check mine.


I have the red BR 10, and there is a switch inside the tender that allows you to select either 3 or 6 chuffs per rotation, not sure if 37085 has the same switch, but it's worth a look!



Thanks Don, I will look inside my tender and see if I have a switch.


I took the top off the tender, there is no switch in mine.
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Offline 60904  
#14 Posted : 05 January 2017 20:46:56(UTC)
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mfx locos don't have any switches inside the tender. Oh, somebody mentioned that already- sorry.
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#15 Posted : 06 January 2017 01:35:49(UTC)
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Thanks Don, I will look inside my tender and see if I have a switch.
Only the old decoders with DIP switches have this switch.
Modern decoders have CVs for anything that is possible.

Yep - 3 cylinders, 60° offset.

Exactly!

I don't understand why anyone would want to change it to be wrong anyway (ie 4 chuffs per revolution rather than the correct 6)!

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Jim

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Offline DTaylor91  
#16 Posted : 06 January 2017 05:10:27(UTC)
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Thanks Don, I will look inside my tender and see if I have a switch.
Only the old decoders with DIP switches have this switch.
Modern decoders have CVs for anything that is possible.

Yep - 3 cylinders, 60° offset.

Exactly!

I don't understand why anyone would want to change it to be wrong anyway (ie 4 chuffs per revolution rather than the correct 6)!



The switch chooses between 3 and 6, not 4 and 6. Still, I don't know why someone would want to choose just three, unless they found 6 annoying for some reason, and didn't want to switch it off completely.
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Offline H0  
#17 Posted : 06 January 2017 07:14:58(UTC)
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The switch chooses between 3 and 6, not 4 and 6.
This famous switch is switch #9 on the mouse piano that sets the loco address (switches 1 through 8). Those old decoders only have basic sound. (no shovelling of coal, no sound effects played at random).

For mfx decoders, the usual CVs can be used to set the chuffs per rotation in a wide range.
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Offline mb300e4m  
#18 Posted : 06 January 2017 14:16:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Are chuffing sound correct?
Sounds bad bass sound?


How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?


My question about the number of chuffs was prompted by Goofy's question. It was part of my learning curve getting to know my (new to me) Marklin digital locos. Being a strictly analogue guy since the late 1940s, digital is still a mystery to me but I am learning slowly. BTW, I checked the tender and there is no switch, so does that make the decoder mfx?
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Offline H0  
#19 Posted : 06 January 2017 15:52:13(UTC)
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BTW, I checked the tender and there is no switch, so does that make the decoder mfx?
No, not that way around.
There are no mfx decoders with DIP switches for address selection. The presence of DIP switches rules out mfx.
But there are fx decoders without DIP switches for address selection. The absence of DIP switches does not mean much.

The 37085 always has mfx+. Your loco is mfx+ because it is a 37085. It has no switch in the tender because the decoder is programmable.

The 37080 has an fx decoder with DIP switches.
The 37082 was made for many years - it had DIP switches in the beginning, but mfx recently.
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#20 Posted : 06 January 2017 16:06:29(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.



Yes and noWink
Yes there are six exhaust " chuffs" per driver revolution.
But...there are always two happening (almost) simultaneously....
In a perfectly sync'd 3 cylinders loco you couldn't tell the difference, but in actuality there are always **slight ** differences coming from the mid cylinders when it is mounted slightly at an angle as it is often the case !!
But it would definitely not be evenly spaced!!
More like: tshiitshii....tshiitshii.... tshiitshii...
Yes, one could waltz on it...Just find the right dancing partner !!😀
😁
Steam loks are fun!
Cheers
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Offline H0  
#21 Posted : 06 January 2017 16:15:20(UTC)
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But...there are always two happening (almost) simultaneously....
How do you know?

I have seen driving axles of class 44 locos - and there is an angle of 60° between the cylinders and the six chuffs are equally distributed.
I believe it is the same with BR 10.

Don't look at the model: it has a 90° angle instead of 60° - not correct, but functions better.

A prototype picture can be seen here:
https://de.wikipedia.org...iebachse_Baureihe_44.jpg
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#22 Posted : 06 January 2017 17:09:25(UTC)
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Thanks Don, I will look inside my tender and see if I have a switch.
Only the old decoders with DIP switches have this switch.
Modern decoders have CVs for anything that is possible.

Yep - 3 cylinders, 60° offset.

Exactly!

I don't understand why anyone would want to change it to be wrong anyway (ie 4 chuffs per revolution rather than the correct 6)!



The switch chooses between 3 and 6, not 4 and 6. Still, I don't know why someone would want to choose just three, unless they found 6 annoying for some reason, and didn't want to switch it off completely.


The decoder has a universal sound file that could be used in any steam loco. It doesn't use a sound file tailored to the loco which the modern ones with downloadable sound are.

So the switch was there to set the number of chuffs appropriate to the loco in which it is installed.


Offline mb300e4m  
#23 Posted : 06 January 2017 18:27:48(UTC)
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Hi All,

I may be beining incredibly stupid bit I can't find any info about this latest version of the BR 10 with regard to the colour of the lights. Does anyone know if they are white or the yellow colour the earlier models have?

Thanks
Adrian


The lights on mine are bright white, not yellow which should indicate they are LEDs not tungsten filament bulbs,
Peter B.
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Offline H0  
#24 Posted : 06 January 2017 18:32:16(UTC)
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The decoder has a universal sound file that could be used in any steam loco.
Which decoder?
The decoder that came with the 37080 had the specific BR 10 sound with the specific BR 10 whistle sound.
They used the same decoder for BR 01.10 where the whistle sound was very inappropriate.

The chuffs were controlled by magnets on a loco axle and a reed sensor. I see no technical reason for a switch that changes between prototypical speed and half speed - except that with regular speed the loco sounds like a Diesel engine when running full speed.
No need to have a switch when a solder bridge would also do.

The 37085 has uploadable sound and discussing DIP switch decoders is off topic here.


Re lights: the 37083 came with yellow and white lights (different batches), so did the 37082. The 37080 had yellow lights, the 37085 has white lights.
All versions had LEDs.
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Offline mb300e4m  
#25 Posted : 06 January 2017 18:42:00(UTC)
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How many chuffs should there be for each revolution of the drive wheels?
Six.



Yes and noWink
Yes there are six exhaust " chuffs" per driver revolution.
But...there are always two happening (almost) simultaneously....
In a perfectly sync'd 3 cylinders loco you couldn't tell the difference, but in actuality there are always **slight ** differences coming from the mid cylinders when it is mounted slightly at an angle as it is often the case !!
But it would definitely not be evenly spaced!!
More like: tshiitshii....tshiitshii.... tshiitshii...
Yes, one could waltz on it...Just find the right dancing partner !!😀
😁
Steam loks are fun!
Cheers
Jacques


Hello again Jacques,

I posed the question on my "Trix Model Trains" Facebook page, and several people responded including my brother in Wales. He is a train nut 12" to the foot type and he said in an e-mail to me: I did try to answer your query on Facebook, "How many Chuffs per revolution on a 3 cylinder engine". You are correct it is 6. However, it sounds like 3 and a gap + 3 and a gap until the engine gets up to speed then the gap disappears. Why I'm not sure? I think it is something to do with the valve settings?

I now seem to recall from many moons ago noticing the gap, I have heard it on some videos too. Chuff Chuff Gap Chuff Chuff Gap...

Peter.

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Offline H0  
#26 Posted : 06 January 2017 19:12:38(UTC)
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I now seem to recall from many moons ago noticing the gap, I have heard it on some videos too. Chuff Chuff Gap Chuff Chuff Gap...
Which class?
Both BR 10 are out of service.

Here is a video showing a departing BR 01.10, a loco with three cylinders:

You can see the chuffs coming out of the chimney. I do not notice gaps. Where should the gap come from?

Same loco, other video (jump to 1:20 - the YAFscript ignores the time offset):
?t=1m18s
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#27 Posted : 06 January 2017 19:27:27(UTC)
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Hi Peter and Tom!
Yes , it's funny how we perceive "correctness" when it come to model rr, and especially steam lok sounds.
Tom: you are 100% correct , there are, **at the cylinder level** ,exactly six distinct exhaust phases per revolution, and equally spaced by 60 degrees each
Peter: the actual exhaust chuff sounds we hear are produced at the **stack level** (the chimney ) when the expanded steam hits the air.
With a 3 cylinders arrangement , the distance covered by the exhaust steam from the inner cylinder is **shorter** than the distance covered by the steam from the outer cylinders!
That explains how *evenly spaces cylinder exhaust sequences* produce *un-evenly spaced exhaust chuffs sequences**
It may be hard to figure it in abstracto, but your observations from reality and videos is correct.
Definitely **sounds** uneven!
So it's probably more like waltzing with a twisted anckle.
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Offline mb300e4m  
#28 Posted : 06 January 2017 21:56:15(UTC)
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Hi Peter and Tom!
Yes , it's funny how we perceive "correctness" when it come to model rr, and especially steam lok sounds.
Tom: you are 100% correct , there are, **at the cylinder level** ,exactly six distinct exhaust phases per revolution, and equally spaced by 60 degrees each
Peter: the actual exhaust chuff sounds we hear are produced at the **stack level** (the chimney ) when the expanded steam hits the air.
With a 3 cylinders arrangement , the distance covered by the exhaust steam from the inner cylinder is **shorter** than the distance covered by the steam from the outer cylinders!
That explains how *evenly spaces cylinder exhaust sequences* produce *un-evenly spaced exhaust chuffs sequences**
It may be hard to figure it in abstracto, but your observations from reality and videos is correct.
Definitely **sounds** uneven!
So it's probably more like waltzing with a twisted ankle.


I agree Jacques, but I never thought about it hard enough. I need to find a cross sectional drawing of a three cylinder loco, it will surely show any differences in the length of the exhaust pipes from the cylinders. Also as my Brother said when the loco gets up to speed it "goes away" or seems to to our ears, the chuffs probably blend with each other.

This forum is a wonderful source of knowledge even if we do digress a bit once in a while. But at the end of the day isn't it all about model and real trains?

Peter.
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#29 Posted : 11 January 2017 01:39:03(UTC)
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With a 3 cylinders arrangement , the distance covered by the exhaust steam from the inner cylinder is **shorter** than the distance covered by the steam from the outer cylinders!

Exactly! The steam piping architecture makes this unavoidable. It was of no practical significance at the time but it does irritate guys collecting model trains many years later. BigGrin But the only "correct" behavior is to have six chuffs per wheel revolution, not just 3.

That is why the chuffs from the exhaust are not evenly spaced. In practical terms what you get are two sets of three chuffs per each revolution, with a slight pause between each set. I think it sounds wonderful.

BTW - I do understand the specifics, but perhaps I need to set a "number of beers" limit before I post. Somewhere in that three to six range perhaps. BigGrin

Oh and thanks Tom for those wonderful videos links. They are both well worth watching, even if you don't care a whit about chuff rates. Cool
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#30 Posted : 14 January 2017 16:43:18(UTC)
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Mine Br10 (Marklin 37085) runs in the club´s layout.



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