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Offline dennisb  
#1 Posted : 10 October 2016 18:26:24(UTC)
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Hi!

I'm about to lay just over 40 pieces of 2205 K-track flex track and want the process to be as painless as possible. What tools do you recommend for securing that the flex track gets the right shape? Straight, very gentle curve and more standard (r3-r4) radius?

What experience do you guys have with different tools?

All help is very appreciated!
Dennis
Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 10 October 2016 19:06:15(UTC)
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Spirit...flex clamp...Xuron track cutter...screw...screwdriver.
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DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline hxmiesa  
#3 Posted : 11 October 2016 13:26:58(UTC)
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I have laid lots of K-flex track, and it is really much too rigid for R3-R4 curves. Even for R5.

But if you MUST bend it that tight, remember to "stagger" the ends of the track; Dont cut them both at the same distance, but allow some 10-15cm difference where flex track joins another flex-track. That will help you to avoid an ugly "break" in the curve. You will also need lots of screws, to maintain such a tight curve.

Other than that, they are nice to work with. I dont use the loose copper-tounges which are designed to connect the center pukos, but simply solder a feeder-wire to each flex track; Because of its zig-zag nature, the internal resistence is that of several normal sectional track pieces, so the extra feeder is just right.
You cant really solder to the outside rails, but the rail-shoes are ok though. One return wire for each two flex track pieces is good.

If you can get hold of some Krause-clamps, that would be great, otherwise some needles are enough to hold the track in place, in order to mark where the cut(s) should be. Cut with a Dremel or a fine metal-saw.
Important to file/smoothen the cut edges, so that you wont have electrical or mechanical problems, and the traction-tires wont be cut up.

The tracks are extremely fragile, so care must be taken when handling them. God knows how many edges of the sleepers I have broken off... <sigh>

Hope this helps.
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
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Offline michelvr  
#4 Posted : 11 October 2016 15:49:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Spirit...flex clamp...Xuron track cutter...screw...screwdriver.


Best answer but mine is ever better! Flapper

Steel ruler, Peco Products Tracksetta, Xuron track cutter, PECO Sl-14 Track Pins, model makers hammer and drift!




End result invisible laid Marklin 2205 flex track!

All items can be obtained from our friends at Hattons Model Railways Ltd!

ttp://www.hattons.co.uk/

Below is a description of my workflow to install perfectly laid Marklin 2205 flex track. Cool

Gently bend or flex the track so that the Tracksetta gauge fits in between the rail. This will flex the track to the Tracksetta shape and you can slide the Tracksetta gauge further along the track to extend the radius. Insert a Peco SI-14 Track pin into the provided track pin hole on the Marklin 2205 flex track. Hammer pin in gentle do not drive in completely. Stagger pins along the track hammer in gently. Repeat as necessary. Where a joint is on two pieces of Marklin 2205 flex track, mark the overhanging rail and cut with the Xuron track cutter. Connect the two pieces of Marklin 2205 flex track and place the Tracksetta gauge then nail pins until done. Once satisfied use drift and hammer pins flush with sleepers.

No Tracksetta for the radius you need? Time to learn some skills, it's fun and rewarding!

Enjoy! BigGrin

Michel
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Offline dennisb  
#5 Posted : 11 October 2016 18:28:55(UTC)
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Thanks for all the good advices! Very appreciated.

I had a few of these items before and I think that a combination of track clamps and Tracksetta is the way to go for me so I've ordered thes now. I'm sure they will do the work just fine!

D.
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Offline Sankch  
#6 Posted : 12 October 2016 14:24:55(UTC)
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Dear Dannis,

for Flexible K track laying you may be interested in those german track clamps:
https://www.fohrmann.com/en/track-clamps.html

and for paralell ones:
https://www.fohrmann.com/en/adjustable-spacer-.html

BRegards

Sank

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Offline michelvr  
#7 Posted : 12 October 2016 14:30:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Sankch Go to Quoted Post
Dear Dannis,

for Flexible K track laying you may be interested in those german track clamps:
https://www.fohrmann.com/en/track-clamps.html

and for paralell ones:
https://www.fohrmann.com/en/adjustable-spacer-.html

BRegards

Sank



Wish I knew of these, they would have made installing flex track easier!

Michel



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Offline dennisb  
#8 Posted : 12 October 2016 18:07:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Sankch Go to Quoted Post
Dear Dannis,

for Flexible K track laying you may be interested in those german track clamps:
https://www.fohrmann.com/en/track-clamps.html

and for paralell ones:
https://www.fohrmann.com/en/adjustable-spacer-.html

BRegards

Sank



They look very similar to the track clamps I ordered from Conrad:
https://www.conrad.se/Flexgleis-kl%E4mmor,-set-om-3-H0-1-set.htm?websale8=conrad-swe&pi=217733&amp;ci=SHOP_AREA_1115775_1606490

What a good website you recommend by the way! They really have some nice tools there!
Offline PMPeter  
#9 Posted : 13 October 2016 18:06:33(UTC)
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Fohrmann is great to deal with. The only confusing thing is the payment method and S&H fees which appear high at first glance. If you are a foreign buyer you need to checkout using Vorkasse. In that case you get the VAT deducted and an actual S&H price which is very good compared to the Euro45 if you pay immediately with PayPal. They send you an e-mail invoice when you use Vorkasse and you can still pay with PayPal once you get the invoice details.

Cheers
Peter
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#10 Posted : 15 October 2016 17:19:08(UTC)
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Offline applor  
#11 Posted : 16 October 2016 01:19:36(UTC)
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You don't need to buy the Fohrmann products. I found it easy to purchase the Proses product from Lippe:

PPT-H0-01
Parallel Track Tool (Metric & Imperial) for HO/OO
http://www.modellbahnsho...b-abg-0/ein_produkt.html

PFT-H0-01
Flexible Track Holder for HO/OO Scale, 2 pcs.
http://www.modellbahnsho...b-abg-0/ein_produkt.html
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Offline dennisb  
#12 Posted : 16 October 2016 09:42:11(UTC)
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Thanks for sharing your experience! Merkus is what I've decided for in most visible areas as well.

D.
Offline Ian555  
#13 Posted : 16 October 2016 21:31:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Sankch Go to Quoted Post
Dear Dannis,

for Flexible K track laying you may be interested in those german track clamps:
https://www.fohrmann.com/en/track-clamps.html

and for paralell ones:
https://www.fohrmann.com/en/adjustable-spacer-.html

BRegards

Sank



Yes, those are the clamps to use.
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Offline Minok  
#14 Posted : 10 March 2017 22:16:58(UTC)
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On the Xuron track cutters - the typical model is the XU2175B which is indicated for brass and for nickle silver track cutting. Well can good.
But Märklin flex-track is stainless steel, and per Xuron's specifications, thats too hard of a material to use the XU2175B cutters on.

Is there a particular cutter suited to the Märklin stainless track? Or do folks just use the XU2175B and when they get dull, replace, repeat?
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#15 Posted : 10 March 2017 22:40:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
On the Xuron track cutters - the typical model is the XU2175B which is indicated for brass and for nickle silver track cutting. Well can good.
But Märklin flex-track is stainless steel, and per Xuron's specifications, thats too hard of a material to use the XU2175B cutters on.

Is there a particular cutter suited to the Märklin stainless track? Or do folks just use the XU2175B and when they get dull, replace, repeat?


I made a cutting jog to do the job with my Dremel:
http://layout.mixmox.com...20020106Ktrackcuttingjig

ensure you buy the diamond cut wheels - they last ages. The brown standard cutting disks shatter way too often.

Trying to cut the St St track with cutters just makes pinched cuts.
Dale
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Offline Minok  
#16 Posted : 10 March 2017 23:13:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
On the Xuron track cutters - the typical model is the XU2175B which is indicated for brass and for nickle silver track cutting. Well can good.
But Märklin flex-track is stainless steel, and per Xuron's specifications, thats too hard of a material to use the XU2175B cutters on.

Is there a particular cutter suited to the Märklin stainless track? Or do folks just use the XU2175B and when they get dull, replace, repeat?


I made a cutting jog to do the job with my Dremel:
http://layout.mixmox.com...20020106Ktrackcuttingjig

ensure you buy the diamond cut wheels - they last ages. The brown standard cutting disks shatter way too often.

Trying to cut the St St track with cutters just makes pinched cuts.


Did you use the Proxxon or Dremel diamond cuttoff wheels, or some other brand ?
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Offline michelvr  
#17 Posted : 11 March 2017 01:56:45(UTC)
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Here's a picture of my Marklin 2205 flex track done as described on an earlier post.

Michel

Offline PMPeter  
#18 Posted : 11 March 2017 04:16:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
On the Xuron track cutters - the typical model is the XU2175B which is indicated for brass and for nickle silver track cutting. Well can good.
But Märklin flex-track is stainless steel, and per Xuron's specifications, thats too hard of a material to use the XU2175B cutters on.

Is there a particular cutter suited to the Märklin stainless track? Or do folks just use the XU2175B and when they get dull, replace, repeat?


Xuron makes a track cutter that is suitable for Marklin K track. It is model 90137-2175M. I assume the M instead of the B stands for Marklin. If you go to the Xuron website and see the specs for the 2175M it specifically states that it is suitable for Marklin C track. I'm not sure why C track is mentioned, but if it is good enough for C track rail it is good enough for K track rail.

I have used mine for 3 years now on lots of flex-track and it does not show any sign of becoming dull.

Cheers
Peter
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Offline dennisb  
#19 Posted : 11 March 2017 12:02:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
On the Xuron track cutters - the typical model is the XU2175B which is indicated for brass and for nickle silver track cutting. Well can good.
But Märklin flex-track is stainless steel, and per Xuron's specifications, thats too hard of a material to use the XU2175B cutters on.

Is there a particular cutter suited to the Märklin stainless track? Or do folks just use the XU2175B and when they get dull, replace, repeat?


Xuron makes a track cutter that is suitable for Marklin K track. It is model 90137-2175M. I assume the M instead of the B stands for Marklin. If you go to the Xuron website and see the specs for the 2175M it specifically states that it is suitable for Marklin C track. I'm not sure why C track is mentioned, but if it is good enough for C track rail it is good enough for K track rail.

I have used mine for 3 years now on lots of flex-track and it does not show any sign of becoming dull.

Cheers
Peter


I can agree on that! And it's a really good tool. As a newbie I've tried a few different options and I must admit that I like the Xuron the most. The other ones I've tried is dremmel, works really well as well but just not as convenient. I also tried the Proses rail cutter but the motor in that one was really crappy and started to smoke when I cut the K-track so I just put it aside.
Xuron seems to be the way to go!

D.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#20 Posted : 11 March 2017 17:30:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post


Did you use the Proxxon or Dremel diamond cuttoff wheels, or some other brand ?


Dremel.
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Offline PeFu  
#21 Posted : 11 March 2017 18:04:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dennisb Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
On the Xuron track cutters - the typical model is the XU2175B which is indicated for brass and for nickle silver track cutting. Well can good.
But Märklin flex-track is stainless steel, and per Xuron's specifications, thats too hard of a material to use the XU2175B cutters on.

Is there a particular cutter suited to the Märklin stainless track? Or do folks just use the XU2175B and when they get dull, replace, repeat?


Xuron makes a track cutter that is suitable for Marklin K track. It is model 90137-2175M. I assume the M instead of the B stands for Marklin. If you go to the Xuron website and see the specs for the 2175M it specifically states that it is suitable for Marklin C track. I'm not sure why C track is mentioned, but if it is good enough for C track rail it is good enough for K track rail.

I have used mine for 3 years now on lots of flex-track and it does not show any sign of becoming dull.

Cheers
Peter


I can agree on that! And it's a really good tool. As a newbie I've tried a few different options and I must admit that I like the Xuron the most. The other ones I've tried is dremmel, works really well as well but just not as convenient. I also tried the Proses rail cutter but the motor in that one was really crappy and started to smoke when I cut the K-track so I just put it aside.
Xuron seems to be the way to go!

D.


How does the Xuron work for cutting K track contact tracks, i.e. where you just want to have a power isolating gap in the rail?

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Offline PMPeter  
#22 Posted : 11 March 2017 18:25:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post

How does the Xuron work for cutting K track contact tracks, i.e. where you just want to have a power isolating gap in the rail?



I usually use a Dremel to make those gaps. You would probably get a straighter cut with the Xuron, but I don't know how good the gap width control would be. The Xuron needs some rail to bite into and I think the gaps would end up being too large.

Peter
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Offline Minok  
#23 Posted : 11 March 2017 20:54:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PeFu Go to Quoted Post


How does the Xuron work for cutting K track contact tracks, i.e. where you just want to have a power isolating gap in the rail?




The Xuron cutter cuts one side flush/flat and the other side gets a bit deformed/pinched. So its good for cutting off a segment, but not good for a clean cut dividing a rail. I'd use a rotary tool for that purpose to get two straight cuts. Your likely going to get an ugly and wider cut with the xuron.
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#24 Posted : 11 March 2017 21:15:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
You would probably get a straighter cut with the Xuron, but


Note: for making isolated contact areas, making a 45° a cut gives you a cut that has less of a bump for wheels going over it.

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Offline Minok  
#25 Posted : 13 March 2017 20:06:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post
On the Xuron track cutters - the typical model is the XU2175B which is indicated for brass and for nickle silver track cutting. Well can good.
But Märklin flex-track is stainless steel, and per Xuron's specifications, thats too hard of a material to use the XU2175B cutters on.

Is there a particular cutter suited to the Märklin stainless track? Or do folks just use the XU2175B and when they get dull, replace, repeat?


Xuron makes a track cutter that is suitable for Marklin K track. It is model 90137-2175M. I assume the M instead of the B stands for Marklin. If you go to the Xuron website and see the specs for the 2175M it specifically states that it is suitable for Marklin C track. I'm not sure why C track is mentioned, but if it is good enough for C track rail it is good enough for K track rail.

I have used mine for 3 years now on lots of flex-track and it does not show any sign of becoming dull.

Cheers
Peter



Thanks Peter. I just never saw the 2175M in the Xuron product list on its website, because for reasons only it knows, that variant wasn't/isn't listed with the other 2175 variants at the top of the cutter list, but way at the bottom where I wasn't even looking:

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Offline Minok  
#26 Posted : 13 March 2017 20:10:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
You would probably get a straighter cut with the Xuron, but


Note: for making isolated contact areas, making a 45° a cut gives you a cut that has less of a bump for wheels going over it.



Indeed - cutting at a 45 angle would leave near no space unsupported by some part of the rail, so less/no 'clack' or 'thunk', and more reliable electrical contact (though that benefit is likely minimal).

Another possibility, is that after making the cut, one fills in the cut with an insulating grey epoxy or plastic. Does anyone do that and what do you used for the task?

I have head of folks using JB Weld ( a dark gray epoxy, that is an insulator but may conduct a very very small amount of current - all things conduct, its just a mater of how much current at what voltage levels)
I can imagine a thin bit of styrene, and other items inserted.
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Offline dennisb  
#27 Posted : 13 March 2017 20:35:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post


Another possibility, is that after making the cut, one fills in the cut with an insulating grey epoxy or plastic. Does anyone do that and what do you used for the task?


This I am also very interested in. Sometimes when I cut the flextrack I don't get the two rails to line up exactly so there's a gap of a 1mm or so. I'd love to fill that gap with something.

D.
Offline DaleSchultz  
#28 Posted : 13 March 2017 21:34:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Minok Go to Quoted Post


Another possibility, is that after making the cut, one fills in the cut with an insulating grey epoxy or plastic. Does anyone do that and what do you used for the task?


I cut small pieces out of an old margarine or plastic yogurt lid.
I insert a piece into the rail gap.
Drop on some superglue
Next day, cut the excess off.

See last image and text at http://layout.mixmox.com/1/laying-track

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