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obxbill		#1 Posted : 02 January 2009 04:29:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,300 Location: manteo, nc		Ok, next question. Would I have to remotor my 3005 to convert it to digital? Delta capabilities is all I really need. If, not which decoder do I need, and is that hard to do yourself. Thanks! Bill
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Bigdaddynz		#2 Posted : 02 January 2009 04:39:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Bill you have 3 basic options. Install a Lokpilot decoder and use the existing motor (no better driving characteristics than at present). As above, but replacing the existing motor coil with a permanent magnet (better driving characteristics) Go for a complete decoder / Hi Efficiency motor upgrade (the best driving characteristics) Here's a web page showing how to upgrade a 3005 with a Marklin 60923 upgrade kit. Keep in mind that the 3005 has a Small Flat Commutor Motor (SFCM). http://oskosk.homeip.net/marklin/loco-3005.html
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jvuye		#3 Posted : 02 January 2009 09:06:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Hi Bill, I agree with the previous answer, just wanted to add a comment. Upgrading the motor to 5 pole/high efficiency is only a small additional percentage to the cost of a digital conversion. Simply grafting a new decoder where the inversion relay used to be will practically always produce inferior results (often less than analog) To do it right in any case, one should disassemble the motor anyway, to clean up and check the mechanism (especially the commutator and the gears) Might as well then reassemble with (better) new parts and with a squeaky clean set of gears!. There is a world of difference in performance. When I was running a Marklin Service Station, I performed hundreds and hundreds conversions of Marklin loks and I can assure you out of my own (long) history it is worth the extra effort! Just my two cents
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Sander van Wijk		#4 Posted : 02 January 2009 12:14:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,248 Location: Amsterdam, Netherlands; Göteborg, Sverige,		Hi all, Based on my conversion experience (> 100) I can fully agree with Jacques statement, it is well worth the effort and money to do a full conversion.
		Sander --- Era I(b): K.Bay.Sts.B. and K.W.St.E.
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Bigdaddynz		#5 Posted : 02 January 2009 12:21:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		I agree with what the others say, do the full conversion.
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obxbill		#6 Posted : 02 January 2009 16:23:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,300 Location: manteo, nc		Ok, that sounds like a plan to me. If I'm gonna do it, I'll do it right. Thanks!! Bill
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jvuye		#7 Posted : 02 January 2009 17:51:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Great Bill,that is the right choice! And of course, you know you can continue to count on us if you encounter any difficulty ... (-; And keep us apraised of your progress! Cheers Jacques
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mmervine		#8 Posted : 02 January 2009 20:15:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,884 Location: Keene, NH		It sounds like you have already decided to go with a high efficiency motor (Great!!!). I have a former Delta lok that was converted to digital without a motor upgrade. It performs so badly that I hardly ever run it. It is on my list to do another upgrade with a high efficiency kit and a LS 3.5!
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RayF		#9 Posted : 02 January 2009 20:19:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I've chosen not to convert mine. It's such an old classic that it seems right to leave it in original condition. Having said that, if I were going to convert it, I would probably use a Lokpilot and Hamo magnet. I've had very good results from that combination without the extra expense of the 60923, which triples the price of the conversion for very little gain. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Brakepad		#10 Posted : 02 January 2009 21:24:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 633 Location: Montlouis sur Loire, France		As usually, I agree with Ray. If the locomotive has been taken care of, condition of rotor and gears will be more that acceptable. In any case, usually, only a revision and cleaning is required. Fitting a Hamo magnet and a LoPi (or suitable UHL decoder) will bring not as good performance as a complete conversion kit (+new gears)...but almost...and at a quarter price. Best regards.
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jvuye		#11 Posted : 03 January 2009 12:23:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Hi Ray and all, The best results I have had in converting Marklin locos was using Marklin 5 poles upgrades with other brand decoders. Of all the best of the best was obtained with Zimo decoders, followed closely by ESU products. The key here is to take the time to understand how to fine tune the decoder's motors speed/load regulation parameters. Things may have changed of course, since my last major conversion run dates back to 2005...
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RayF		#12 Posted : 03 January 2009 12:33:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Jacques, Never tried the Zimo decoders. Do they do a MM version? I have a couple of conversions using LP2 decoders which are OK, but not brilliant. My recent conversions with LP3 are almost indistinguishable from the 6090x conversions performance wise. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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intruder		#13 Posted : 03 January 2009 14:36:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		Hello obxbill. I have converted a Primex 33005, which is quite identical with the 3005. I used the 60903 (same as 60923 but without the mfx decoder) See my website http://www.saebonet.com/Svein/Tog/Sites/D/33005.htm if you like some more details.
		Best regards Svein, Norway grumpy old sod
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obxbill		#14 Posted : 03 January 2009 21:06:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,300 Location: manteo, nc		Thanks for the added info! Seems like I have a few options. I'm gonna be contacting a guy in Va. next week about doing the conversion. Thanks to you all I'll have a clue what I'm talking about when I do. :) Bill
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Bigdaddynz		#15 Posted : 03 January 2009 21:29:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />Hi Jacques, Never tried the Zimo decoders. Do they do a MM version? I have a couple of conversions using LP2 decoders which are OK, but not brilliant. My recent conversions with LP3 are almost indistinguishable from the 6090x conversions performance wise. Ray Yes Ray, Zimo most certainly produce MM decoders, usually with DCC. They even have decoders with a 21pin interface that can be used with original C-Sine motors. There are sound versions available too. Be warned, they are not cheap!
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jvuye		#16 Posted : 05 January 2009 22:57:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Zimo is indeed not "cheap" if that means "requires some dough" But so does a Porsche or a Ferrari. The excitment is however in proportion. I used to sell Zimo (not anymore, I'm retired) and they truly reminded me of Porsche in the 1960's...: small with a brilliant future because they do not compromise on performance and reliability. Now you know why I like them... Simple taste, only the best! With that kind of "angle", ESU would then be a Mercedes...and Uhlenbrock an Audi!
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RayF		#17 Posted : 05 January 2009 23:40:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I drive a Ford. What decoder should I use?
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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john black		#18 Posted : 06 January 2009 15:29:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Good one, Ray - hehe
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gachar001		#19 Posted : 06 January 2009 20:27:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,391 Location: Chennai		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />I drive a Ford. What decoder should I use? lol
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intruder		#20 Posted : 06 January 2009 22:44:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 5,382 Location: Akershus, Norway		mFx, Ray!
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obxbill		#21 Posted : 07 January 2009 02:15:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,300 Location: manteo, nc		Well, I drive a Ford too! '04 Mustang. So mfx for me too? Bill
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john black		#22 Posted : 07 January 2009 18:11:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/04/2004(UTC) Posts: 12,139 Location: New York, NY		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by obxbill <br />Well, I drive a Ford too! '04 Mustang. So mfx for me too? Of course, Bill ... Fords need MFX, desperately [}:)] John (GM fan since 1967) -&gt; duck & run [:I][B)]
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jvuye		#23 Posted : 11 January 2009 13:45:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		For a Ford, analog is good enough... (I know I drove them for over 20 years when I lived in California...) Just have to watch for the reversing pulses!!!
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obxbill		#24 Posted : 11 January 2009 17:42:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 20/12/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,300 Location: manteo, nc		No worries, John! Our other car is a Camaro,'86. :) Bill
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Bigdaddynz		#25 Posted : 12 January 2009 00:43:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,663 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas <br />I drive a Ford. What decoder should I use? A Ford one of course! You wouldn't want an AC Delco one in it now would you! And don't even think about using a Lucas one!
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jvuye		#26 Posted : 12 January 2009 16:23:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Hi Lutz, You are correct, I never tried programming Zimos with a 6021!!.(I only "sound" stupid from time to time) The 6021 has been "retired" to greener pastures for many years now...when I discovered the multiple benefits of truly universal open systems. Mfg Jacques
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RayF		#27 Posted : 12 January 2009 18:23:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Well, Jacques, I still value the simplicity and relability of my 6021, so it looks like I'll have to pass on the Zimo's. Shouldn't a "truly universal open system" support Marklin decoders? Oh, sorry they're only "truly universal" if you happen to prefer DCC!. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Halifax100		#28 Posted : 01 October 2016 07:36:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/10/2016(UTC) Posts: 7 Location: Skane lan, Klågerup		Hi! Know this is an old thread but need help on the subject! Just started to clean up an 3005 loco that I will convert. Where do I put the Ground. Any pictures? New to the digital and this forum and appriciate all help! Found guides regarding this loco, but no info about where to put it.
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franciscohg		#29 Posted : 01 October 2016 15:17:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 3,267 Location: Patagonia		Hello, you can put it anywhere, mostly I use the little brass tabs to sold the wire and then hold it with one of the motor shield screw Not at home right now, but i have found this old picture on my gallery, it shows the mentioned tab fixed on the upper right screw of the motorshield Regards
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Halifax100		#30 Posted : 02 October 2016 18:39:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/10/2016(UTC) Posts: 7 Location: Skane lan, Klågerup		Thanks for fast answer... and picture as well!!!
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