Marklin announces a new item in Marklin Magazin 05/2016

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Sorry for the bad quality of the picture

Many thanks to Esteban González (Esgovipa) for shared the photo

Edited by user 26 September 2016 11:37:18(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

What went wrong with the image of model loco boiler/tender top? Not matching from Prototype.

Wow that's a long locomotive.
What is the length? Weight?
Will it be able to negotiate sharp curves?

Thanks,
Walter

Price? 800 EUR?

Wow!
Thanks for sharing! This loco will be awesome! I already have 5 Big Boys and I wouldn´t mind this smaller beast. It's only 4 cm. shorter than the Big Boys. Do you think Märklin will stop releasing the Big Boys ending with 37996?
37996 is priced 750 Euros. I think rather 700 Euros would be the price for this model. The text says the smoke generator is always on but the text also says it's controllable digitally. I guess the text refers to conventional mode...

Good thing that Märklin lists older cars to go with the loco as I'm missing alot of the latest car sets.

Forgive me for saying this, but isn't this a bit of an odd choice? A bit too similar to the big boy, limited market pool of buyers, and MTH already makes one for 3 rail? Unless perhaps they got crafty and bought the Lionel HO mold and reissued?

Great loco for sure, but seems like there were many more logical models to invest in sooner.

Has MM 05/2016 actually been released, or is this a hoax? Where did your friend get the magazine from? That last photo looks suspiciously similar to previous magazine photos announcing the Big Boy.

There's no Insider Magazine 05/2016 on the Insider Club website (which there normally is before the MM is released), and there's no mention of 39911 in the Marklin product database, whereas there is mention of the 39960 Alan talks about.

The only mention of 39911 on Stummi's forum is a link back to this thread - normally I'd expect to see mention on Stummi's before here.

Or am I missing something??

MTH??
mmh? Not sure about these!
They certainly look good, but once you see how they are wired and assembled, it's quickly **scary**!
If you have a chance, open one of their GG-1s...and you 'll understand what I mean!
I'd rather stay with Märklin when I have a chance.
Looking forward to add a Challenger to my UP collection.

Hello,

Could anyone please post a sharper picture of the locomotive or of the whole article (unless not possible because of copy rights)? Preferably also if the German version of it, if it's available.

Thanks in advance.

You didn't fool me.......(although you nearly did) - I saw your username and wondered what nice new paint job you'd been doing!

Marklin confirm me the #39911 Challenger UP, and they say that the date of the official announcement will be 1 of october....

I knew it...i knew it!!
It present only limited functions with the CS2.
That means CS2 will not been upgrade to more functions.
I´m suprised that "Challanger" do have mfx+ (my world) and it´s an generation 3 decoder.

I don´t understand what you mean.
CS3 do have 32 functions to control with it.
CS2 do only have 16 functions and will not been upgrade to more functions.
If you buy "Challenger" you need CS3 to control all functions with the locomotive.
Of course you can also drive this model with the CS2.
I did only clarify about the CS2.

Product presentation:

http://www.maerklin.de/e...-information/challenger/

Regards,

I just found the loco on Märklins homepage for 730 € and its 29 functions for the CS3.

challenger

For this price I would prefer the TEE VT 11.5 - love this one more . But my internet dealer send me a mail today announcing the shipment of my brandnew S 2/6 mfx+ (# 37017) in blue. This makes me more exciting.

Hi John and all,

This particular series of locomotives were also built for the D&RGW who subsequently sold them to the Clinchfield RR. I believe maybe the Delaware and Hudson had a few, so there is opportunity for Marklin to spread their marketing, particularly in the Trix brand.

regards
Kimball

The central station included all models...first and second generation.

Hello.

Again this smoke story?

"2 smoke generators (7226) can be installed in the locomotive; the contacts for them are on constantly."



29 functions available and not a single way to make it digitally on or off?



Cheers,

Walter

If you look at the list of functions you find that F1 is for the smoke generator contact (as is standard on most steamers)

I have to agree with Robert. He did an excellent job articulating the experience with MTH 3e+ (Marklin) models.

I also love the MTH for Marklin models. They have great detail, good decoders, and provide an excellent way to expand US motive power on a Marklin system by loco type and road name. They also MU extremely well, even GP35s and F3s will MU together well. I would not hesitate to recommend them, but they are not without occasional flaw.

Keep in mind that MTH challengers may cost less, but also require 18" curves (R3 are 20.28", although I wonder if one could get away with R2 curves at 17.20"? ). Marklin locos (Big Boy, Challenger, etc) all run as small as R1.

Out of 10 MTH locomotives in my fleet, two have required return trips to MTH for repair out of the box. These were repaired free under warranty, and with no hassle from MTH, but it does take some time. Also, MTH locomotives run fairly well, but they are more prone to derailing. Sometimes if the track is dirty and a locomotive hits a dead spot, the following unit will push the lead unit into derailment over a turnout or vice versa. The GP35 units, if they loose power, will loose sound and lights unless you stop the locomotive, and begin the startup sequence again (I assume due to decoder fw, the F3 units do not do this).

I know others have different experiences, but I have found Marklin units to be very difficult to derail. If Marklin offers the same unit as MTH, I would always personally prefer to purchase the Marklin version. Without debating on motor type, I would be willing to guess that it would be easier to repair a Marklin unit in 15 years time than an MTH unit.

I am too encouraged by this new US prototype. Hopefully more will come in the future, EMD GP7s/GP9s or the SD versions would be welcome additions :) As others have mentioned, there were other Challengers, including Clinchfield, D&H, D&RGW, GN, NP, SP&S, UP, and WP. Not all were the same design, but it certainly provides Marklin with some future release options. Maybe we'll also see some UP passenger cars someday? :)

Regarding the smoke, I suspect there is a loss in translation. I would guess the contacts are on all the time during analog operation, but digitially controlled on/off during digital operation. I do think at this price that the smoke units should be included, but perhaps I expect too much?

-Brandon

Hello,

I have written a message to the Märklin Customer Service - in German- inquiring about a clarification on this paragraph about the smoke generator. Hopefully, they will answer soon and dissipate the doubts around this issue. It would seem unthinkable that these expensive (although, probably made in China) locomotives will have zillions of functions or sounds while this most important smoke generation control may have gone overlooked.

P.S.
I have received an answer to my query from the Märklin Customer Service, in connection with the smoke generator.
It turns out that the text in the locomotive description was not clearly written. The smoke generator is on at all times in analog operation, but it can be controlled in digital operation. I did not expect less from this locomotive.
Here's a copy of the text from the Märklin Service: "... Jeder digital schaltbare Rauchsatzkontakt ist normalerweise analog immer an.
Wir werden den Text „Kontakte ständig betriebsbereit“ entfernen."

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I had finally given up hope that M/T would produce a Challenger, and bought the 3-rail MTH version this spring. I agree with other comments that the MTH loc is a nice model, especially the representation of the independent chuffs from the two sets of cylinders. The M/T model would now be a bridge too far for me, family-wise.

Jeroen

If you really want to see closer...
www.modeltog.nu/product_...ccb952a0990c22480cdc4e91
Click on the zoom of the picture!