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Offline Eisenhower  
#1 Posted : 08 October 2008 19:31:35(UTC)
Eisenhower

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I have difficulty in figuring out how to use Uhlenbrocks 63410 LocoNet Schaltmodul.

General info: I run Märklin Digital, C-track, The IB runs perfect when running trains.

I have connected a seperate transformer to the module (52VA).

<ul><li>Is the connection between the seperate transformer (52VA) and the module correct ? (see picture)</li><li>Have I corretly connected the 3 wires from the turnout to the module ? (see picture)</li><li>I expect that I can use the IB as keyboard for switching the turnouts ?</li><li>I have tried to follow the instructions in the manual for the module but I cant seem to get anything to switch - A walk through of the steps to setup the module for doing only turnout switching is most welcome ;-)</li><li>In the manual I read about some Programming assistance that should make it easy to setup the module for doing only turnout switching - how do I do that ?</li></ul>

I have managed to come to the point where I need to set the LNCV values (here I get lost)
Imagine I am at the place where I have the following infront of me at the IB:

LNPr 63410-00001
LNCV....0=....1

And the cursor blinks under the 0.

Now what ? (I want to use all 20 outputs for controlling turnouts)

PS: Any advise regarding setting everything/something back to default if I by mistake have changed some values that I shouldnt have changed ?


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Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline mascagni  
#2 Posted : 09 October 2008 17:17:05(UTC)
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What is this device supposed to do for you?--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline Eisenhower  
#3 Posted : 09 October 2008 18:49:16(UTC)
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Michael: I want to use the Schaltmodul for switching turnouts.
It can also be used for turning on lights or controlling lightsignals. (the same module with different functionality on every output)

I think I have found the answers to my questions on the internet.

I have to program the schaltmodule via the IB - program what I want each output of the module to do. (It was of cause also stated in the manual but I didnt find it clear)

In my test setup I have 2 turnouts connected to the module output 1-4.

Here is what I did.
I went to the place of the IB where I can program the module and set the following CV (configurable values)

LN = LocoNet and CV = Configurable Values =&gt; LNCV = LocoNet Configurable Values.

LNCV 21 = 10 (Key No 1 turns output 1 on) (Key No 1 and 2 is Green and red seen from top left in the keyboard)
LNCV 22 = 11 (Key No 2 turns output 2 on)
LNCV 23 = 20 (Key No 3 turns output 3 on)
LNCV 24 = 21 (Key No 4 turns output 4 on)
LNCV 61 = 100 (gives 0.5 sec switching time on output 1)
LNCV 62 = 100 (gives 0.5 sec switching time on output 2)
LNCV 63 = 100 (gives 0.5 sec switching time on output 3)
LNCV 64 = 100 (gives 0.5 sec switching time on output 4)

IT WORKS :-)) - so I must also conclude that the connections (wiring) must be correct.
Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline mascagni  
#4 Posted : 09 October 2008 22:33:21(UTC)
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Steen: Thanks for this. I guess it's an issue of format and what the box itself does. How does this compare with a K83 or K84?--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline Eisenhower  
#5 Posted : 09 October 2008 23:16:25(UTC)
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It can do the same funtions as the K83 and the K84 at the same time in one module

You can decide to have "K83 function" at output 1-10 and "K84-function" at output 11-20.
(or in any other output combination)

Very nice (when you get it to work hehe ;-) )
Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline mascagni  
#6 Posted : 10 October 2008 01:19:41(UTC)
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Steen: I see, does this mean you can control a total of 20 things? Thus it equals 5 K83/K84 modules, how is it priced in comparison? Seems like a very interesting module!!--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline Eisenhower  
#7 Posted : 10 October 2008 09:43:55(UTC)
Eisenhower

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A normal switch (turnout) will take up 2 outputs since you have to be able to control "left" and "right".
Normal light will only take up 1 output.

You can count the outputs to be used by counting the number of "blue or brown" wires that comes from the device to be controlled.

The price was 55.87 EUR at LokShop.

I have bought this module since I can use it in conjunction with LocoNet.

Here is the link to the english manual : http://www.uhlenbrock.de/3/9/1/...817-034.apd/EN_63410.pdf
Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline kgsjoqvist  
#8 Posted : 10 October 2008 11:52:47(UTC)
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An interesting development is also that you may now program any LocoNet device from the computer with help of a USB-LocoNet-tool. It cost 89€ including the LocoNet tool software. Wo you may set up some functions through LocoNet devices even if you don't have an Intellibox.
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
Offline mascagni  
#9 Posted : 10 October 2008 13:19:58(UTC)
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Hi: This is very interesting. So, if you have an IB you can program this device, and you can control it. However, if you have it correctly programmed, either using an IB or the LocoNet tool software, you can control it with another controller like a CS. Is that correct?

Thanks.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline Eisenhower  
#10 Posted : 10 October 2008 15:55:26(UTC)
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Hi MM - uhhhh you are pushing me out on deep waters now :-)

I can for sure confirm your first statement.

Wether it can be controlled by a CS1 or CS2 I do not know.
Actually, I dont know wether the configuration is stored in the IB or in the module itself.
Maybe some other "Uhlenbrock users" can answer this qustion ?
Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline mascagni  
#11 Posted : 10 October 2008 16:22:52(UTC)
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Steen: I actually think the answer is yes, and I also think the configuration is stored in the unit, not the IB. For one thing, the fact that there is another way to program it makes me think that the state has to be held in the device in some way.

However, this is all supposition. However, this seems like an alternative that is quite flexible as compared to the Viessmann or Maerklin alternatives. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.--MM
Michael Mascagni, Tallahassee
If I weren't a Mathematician, I'd be a Violinist.--Albert Einstein
Offline Eisenhower  
#12 Posted : 10 October 2008 19:32:27(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kgsjoqvist
<br />An interesting development is also that you may now program any LocoNet device from the computer with help of a USB-LocoNet-tool. It cost 89€ including the LocoNet tool software. Wo you may set up some functions through LocoNet devices even if you don't have an Intellibox.


Karl - I tottaly missed your reply to MM's question further up - sry.
Well - there is the answer - thanks ! :-)
Steen
Digital | C-Track | Epoche II-IV | Railroad & Co. 7.0 Gold | IB 1 | LocoNet
Offline DORCAS196651  
#13 Posted : 23 June 2018 08:22:23(UTC)
DORCAS196651

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BigGrin hello marklin users group I only just joined today I am trying to use a uhlenbrock 63410 module for first time to activate a turnout. Have tried to follow instructions but all I get is a no response message on the intellibox 2 I connected it to. Can anyone help me with advise as I am not very tech savvy. I haven't yet tried to connect lights
Offline RalphKS  
#14 Posted : 07 October 2024 07:26:46(UTC)
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Hi
I am using 4 of the 63410 modules to control signals. Turnouts are a bit different.
There is an example in the instruction PDF file.
But 1st you must check the module number. You can read This with LNCV 0. To do this the module must be the only device on the Loconet bus. Module should be Preprogrammed with a module address of 1 if it is new. If you have other devices on the loconet .
The 63410 also come preprogrammed with its 20 outputs divided into 5 groups of 4 outputs. you can change this if you need to

So for each turnout you use 2 outputs. In this case Uhlenbrock call these outputs Red and Green.
You then need to nominate a free address for the turnout.
Once you Have access to the module you can program the Turnout.
Iyou connect the Turnout to outputs 1 and 2.
In the Uhlenbrock example they nominated an address of 10
For Turnouts output 1: LNCV 21= address 10 and function 0 (red or branch)
output 2: LNCV 22= address 10 and function 1 (green or straigh
You then need to program a time interval so you don't burn the point solenoid out.
In the example Uhlenbrock have used an interval of 0.5 seconds with LNCV61 =0 for output 1 and LNCV62 =0 for output 2

So your programming should look like this:
LNCV21=100
LNCV22=101
LNCV61=0
LNCV62=0
Ralph

Offline RalphKS  
#15 Posted : 09 October 2024 00:59:37(UTC)
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I forgot to say that there is a universal module address of 65535 that you can use to access the module when it is the only device on the loconet. With this you can change the module address to the address you want to use in your loconet network. Then you can connect the module back into your network and and access with the module address you have just programmed.
Read the 63410 manual very carefully several times and you will understand what Uhlenbrock are saying.
Ralph.
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