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Offline kgsjoqvist  
#1 Posted : 06 October 2008 11:42:46(UTC)
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During a vacation in Germany I had the chance to get some more info from a Märklin Dealer about the new Central Station and the future plans:

1) ESU is now out of the picture, and that is why Märklin dropped the designation "systems" and returned to "Digital".

2) Mobile Station as it looks today is a part of "systems" and will be discontinued. Because it has the name "systems" on it and it has had technical problems as well.

3) The new Mobile Station will be updated from Central Station 2 when necessary.

I don't know any technical details about it, but on the wishlist for improvements there would be:

* 2A power output
* Handling locos with two addresses as one entry in the locolist (for M locos with 4+4 functions on two decoders and 3rd party locos with LokSound decoders etc).
* Controlling accessories, at least in a simplified way (4 or 8 accessories available)

I think this kind of device could be sold in great numbers if the price is right (100-150€) - since buyers of starter sets will soon find out the the new "Delta" has its' limitations. And even if you have a Central Station it is very useful to have a smaller equipment for testing purpose.
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 06 October 2008 14:06:10(UTC)
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The limitations of Delta and MS are by design - to make people buy the big controller!

We'll see if they add new features to MS2 in order to compete with Fleischmann Profi-Boss.
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Offline David Dewar  
#3 Posted : 06 October 2008 14:21:57(UTC)
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The most important thing about a new MS would be to get it to work properly. The number of failures with the first effort was ridiculous. While M were responsible I blame ESU for the poor workmanship so hopefully a new version will give new customers what they need to keep buying Marklin.

David
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Offline Frostie  
#4 Posted : 06 October 2008 14:39:01(UTC)
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I would like to see a wireless mobile station. The USB connection on the CS2 would make it very easy to work with.

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Offline kgsjoqvist  
#5 Posted : 06 October 2008 15:56:35(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
<br />The limitations of Delta and MS are by design - to make people buy the big controller!

We'll see if they add new features to MS2 in order to compete with Fleischmann Profi-Boss.


Yes - there are even some stupid built-in limitations, like the old Delta decoders that had the light-function disabled and lights were connected to the motor outputs...

But the price span between a cheap starter set device (&lt;50€) and a Central Station 2 (6-700€) is big enough to allow a little more sophisticated MS. Most of the beginners don't have the need for all the features of a Central Station. But if you could control a few turnouts from the Mobile Station it would be more useful for very small layouts and temporary layouts, and Märklin would sell more turnout decoders...
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
Offline RayF  
#6 Posted : 06 October 2008 18:29:33(UTC)
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The original concept of the delta system was good for its time. It was not a replacement for a digital system, but for the analogue equipment.

The delta decoder replaced the expensive electromechanical reversing relay, and additionally gave you directional lights in analogue operation. As a bonus, the decoder could be switched to allow operation in a digital system, with reduced facilities. The performance in digital mode was no worse than the standard C80 decoder of the day, lacking only the light function.

Delta decoders are much maligned by enthusiasts today, but when introduced they were a big improvement on the analogue locos, at a cheaper price than the digital ones.

Ray
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Offline steventrain  
#7 Posted : 06 October 2008 19:02:59(UTC)
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Wireless MS would be a great idea.
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Offline mmervine  
#8 Posted : 06 October 2008 20:30:10(UTC)
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Adding at least some limited accessory control is a great idea. Plenty of small layouts out there where this would have a market.
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Offline Troy Yang  
#9 Posted : 06 October 2008 20:40:26(UTC)
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The new MS should hold more than 10 locomotives.
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Offline DasBert33  
#10 Posted : 06 October 2008 20:42:28(UTC)
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Backward compatibility for us CS1 and Ecos users.
Offline Troy Yang  
#11 Posted : 06 October 2008 22:57:05(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Wireless MS would be a great idea.


Indeed. There is no technical reason that they cannot do it.
Marklin HO - all eras and everything.
Offline kgsjoqvist  
#12 Posted : 07 October 2008 10:27:37(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Wireless MS would be a great idea.


A wireless (infrared) controller will be included in the new version of the "Circus Mondolino" starter set. I'm not sure how it works, but it's an indication that more is coming.

A wireless MS would be nice, but then the booster part has to be moved to the "ugly box". But it shouldn't be too expensive, just look at the small difference between the price of a wireless control pad for a game console compared to a standard controller.
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
Offline Legless  
#13 Posted : 07 October 2008 11:26:59(UTC)
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Infrared is old technology, (has to be pointed at the receiver by 30 to 45 degrees, short distance from the receiver). It should be Radio Frequency (don't have to point it at the receiver, longer distance, set different frequencies).
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Offline steventrain  
#14 Posted : 07 October 2008 16:46:10(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kgsjoqvist
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Wireless MS would be a great idea.


A wireless (infrared) controller will be included in the new version of the "Circus Mondolino" starter set. I'm not sure how it works, but it's an indication that more is coming.



Yes, It is cat number 29411.
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Offline john black  
#15 Posted : 07 October 2008 23:25:29(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
<br />The limitations of MS are by design - to make people buy the big controller!

With the advent of MS2 and CS2 - how can we update our (now old) MS1s confused
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Offline kgsjoqvist  
#16 Posted : 08 October 2008 11:54:13(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by john black
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by h-zero
<br />The limitations of MS are by design - to make people buy the big controller!

With the advent of MS2 and CS2 - how can we update our (now old) MS1s confused



The only way seems to be through the CS(1). But on the other hand, what do you need to update? All mfx decoders register themselves anyway. Fx-decoders and other programmable decoders can be used quite easily without being in the database. Only the new Märklin locos that would be added with all of their functions are subjects for update, but the should have mfx decoders by now anyway...
K-G / H0 and Z model train user
Offline john black  
#17 Posted : 09 October 2008 23:39:24(UTC)
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Thanks, Karl Gunnar
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Offline nevw  
#18 Posted : 10 October 2008 01:53:52(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
I pointed that out already in a previous posting. Märklin has no need to further update the MS beyond its current state. wink

And yes, something like a MS-II can be expected "in the near future". Cool


IF M* produced new Locos with FX Decoders that are NOT in the Current MS database how could they be updated.??

Thanks,
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Offline nevw  
#19 Posted : 10 October 2008 01:55:31(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
I pointed that out already in a previous posting. Märklin has no need to further update the MS beyond its current state. wink

And yes, something like a MS-II can be expected "in the near future". Cool


IF M* produced new Locos with FX Decoders that are NOT in the Current MS database how could they be updated.??
and you do not own a CS and there are no friends with a CS nearby
Thanks,

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User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#20 Posted : 10 October 2008 09:22:18(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />Märklin has no need to further update the MS beyond its current state.


Sure Marklin may have no need to update the MS. That doesn't mean that current owners of the MS don't want it updated! What ever happened to backwards compatibility, and supporting users and buyers of your previous products?
Offline kgsjoqvist  
#21 Posted : 22 October 2008 14:52:08(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
I pointed that out already in a previous posting. Märklin has no need to further update the MS beyond its current state. wink

And yes, something like a MS-II can be expected "in the near future". Cool


IF M* produced new Locos with FX Decoders that are NOT in the Current MS database how could they be updated.??

Thanks,



Since the fx decoder is just being used for cheaper locos where an mfx decoder is too expensive, it usually means there are no functions available anyway, except for lights and direct control (F4). If there were more functions, there would be an mfx decoder.

Even if you have a different brand of decoder, you can always change the parameters by using REG in the EDIT LOC menu. So if the decoder understands Motorola it can be programmed - including changing the address.

Then if you want the function buttons to correspond to the right functions, you may delete the loco from the list, then choose a loco with the same functions -&gt; change name and address. It's not simple, but it can be done, and I see no reason at all why I would need an update of my MS database...
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Offline WelshMatt  
#22 Posted : 22 October 2008 17:23:44(UTC)
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My suggestions:

Able to have twenty locos in the database, or call them up by address (could work as a "guest entry" - you'd select that one then use arrow keys to select the address). Also the option to either create entries from scratch or fully edit them, so when a new crane comes out you don't end up controlling it with illogical icons in strange places because your controller hasn't been updated.

Expandable - why not allow people to buy a wireless module that just plugs in, and a point control module that does likewise?

Backlit screen

USB link to allow updating from a PC without a CS2

Another query - if the MS is to be retired, what's the version number of the most recent one? I'm inclined to buy a final version split from set MS for the 1.9a ability and the updated database. Also, if I plug my existing MS into a new one as a slave, will it be able to cope with entries from the new database?

Matt from Wales.

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Offline DTaylor91  
#23 Posted : 22 October 2008 18:27:28(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
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Quote:
Originally posted by kgsjoqvist

And yes, something like a MS-II can be expected "in the near future". Cool


Ok Lutz, you can't just leave THAT statement without expanding on it a bit!!! Smile

Don Taylor
Offline Eurobahnfan  
#24 Posted : 22 October 2008 19:33:51(UTC)
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Just got the brochure on the new central station... I only hope that M gets it right this time 'round (to include ironing out mobile station bugs). It's frustrating for me as I have a closet full of Maerklin waiting to perform on a yet to be built layout. When I made the decision to jump into HO scale a number of years back, Maerklin Digital seemed like the right way to go. Since I didn't have room for a layout then, I figured I'd just amass a collection and build the layout when the time came. Well, I'm ready now, but think I'll wait a bit to hear just how the new product is working. (In the meantime, Christmas is approaching and I've always got my pre/post war Lionel running on an under-the-tree layout to keep me occupied.)

Steve
Offline Davy  
#25 Posted : 22 October 2008 22:05:13(UTC)
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I think the chance is big that all loks from Marklin will get a mfx decoder.

Reason because the esu mfx decoders are getting cheaper.
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