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Oliver nagel		#1 Posted : 25 February 2016 04:17:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Allegany		I saw the airplane set last June on the AJCKIDS website so I ordered it right away. For me airplanes and trains rank right up there. But Mom M is so slow it took 7 month to get here.
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Swimmer		#2 Posted : 25 February 2016 05:45:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/01/2016(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Centurion		Hi, I didn't have this issue, I ordered in January and I collected the set on the 15th Feb. It was very fast and this is in South Africa where everything is very slow. Regards Carsten
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Angus		#3 Posted : 25 February 2016 09:50:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 202 Location: Johannesburg		I am with you on that Oliver. They just work together. My set is waiting to be collected. It will be in my possession on Saturday :) What you guys going to pull yours with? Probably not prototypical but I am planning on putting this set behind my streamlined BR19.10 (Brawa). It will probably get a few different loco's pulling it but the BR19 has been earmarked.
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Swimmer		#4 Posted : 25 February 2016 09:55:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/01/2016(UTC) Posts: 33 Location: Centurion		Originally Posted by: Angus I am with you on that Oliver. They just work together. My set is waiting to be collected. It will be in my possession on Saturday :) What you guys going to pull yours with? Probably not prototypical but I am planning on putting this set behind my streamlined BR19.10 (Brawa). It will probably get a few different loco's pulling it but the BR19 has been earmarked. Hi Angus, Mine is running behind my BR89.
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Oliver nagel		#5 Posted : 25 February 2016 13:01:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Allegany		I just use My old Br01 I don't have any freight steam loks.
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MalinAC		#6 Posted : 25 February 2016 13:25:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/05/2014(UTC) Posts: 839 Location: DONEGAL, CARNDONAGH		I had an old Primex cl 23 repainted in a camouflage look to pull mine. As soon as I ever sort out my problems with resizing pictures I will post a picture .Take care Eddie
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H0		#7 Posted : 25 February 2016 15:37:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,441 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Oliver nagel I saw the airplane set last June on the AJCKIDS website so I ordered it right away. For me airplanes and trains rank right up there. But Mom M is so slow it took 7 month to get here. You can't blame Märklin. In June the set was announced for Q4/2015. Later the date was given as 12/2015. Didn't AJCKIDS show you an ETA?
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Br502362		#8 Posted : 25 February 2016 16:39:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Really nice set But why Märklin has made such a bad camouflage without no connection to reality? This is one possible camo which is used on Me 109 G2: Personally I would repaint them. Cheers Åke
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NS1200		#9 Posted : 25 February 2016 20:17:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Originally Posted by: Br502362 Really nice set But why Märklin has made such a bad camouflage without no connection to reality? This is one possible camo which is used on Me 109 G2: Personally I would repaint them. Cheers Åke Ake,the set reflects the era around 1939,the Me-109 was already there,but not yet in North European combat,as such the later camouflage schemes were not used as yet. The type of ME-109 at that time was the Me-109E,E for Emil. Your suggestion shows a Me-109G,G for Gustaf a much more advanced version.
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NS1200		#10 Posted : 25 February 2016 20:24:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Originally Posted by: MalinAC I had an old Primex cl 23 repainted in a camouflage look to pull mine. As soon as I ever sort out my problems with resizing pictures I will post a picture .Take care Eddie Eddie, Steamer class 23 was a post WW2 locomotive,as such out of place for the ME-109 set in question.
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Br502362		#11 Posted : 25 February 2016 20:55:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Originally Posted by: NS1200 Originally Posted by: Br502362 Really nice set But why Märklin has made such a bad camouflage without no connection to reality? This is one possible camo which is used on Me 109 G2: Personally I would repaint them. Cheers Åke Ake,the set reflects the era around 1939,the Me-109 was already there,but not yet in North European combat,as such the later camouflage schemes were not used as yet. The type of ME-109 at that time was the Me-109E,E for Emil. Your suggestion shows a Me-109G,G for Gustaf a much more advanced version. Yes but those planes aren't Emils. Spinner is too big and wrong shape and air intake for motor should be rectangular in E type. I believe that they are F or early G types from G0 to G5.
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Oliver nagel		#12 Posted : 25 February 2016 22:52:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Allegany		I have a very nice book a on German warplanes I will look it up
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michelvr		#13 Posted : 26 February 2016 03:37:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,316		Originally Posted by: Oliver nagel I saw the airplane set last June on the AJCKIDS website so I ordered it right away. For me airplanes and trains rank right up there. But Mom M is so slow it took 7 month to get here. I ordered one also and received it in November, beautiful set! I still need a locomotive to pull the train set and I'll need help in knowing which one? Michel
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NS1200		#14 Posted : 26 February 2016 08:00:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Something tells me that Marklin will be careful not to display real WW2 markings on their products. Sofar they have not done so,whereas others have (Lilliput,Artitec). Perhaps this 1/87 model of the Me-109 was the best available option. Ake,you are correct,the propellorhub looks like a G type,the hub of the Emil was cone shaped. Did you know that Me-109 planes were also used by the Finnish airforce during 1941-45?
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RayF		#15 Posted : 26 February 2016 08:25:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: NS1200 Something tells me that Marklin will be careful not to display real WW2 markings on their products. Sofar they have not done so,whereas others have (Lilliput,Artitec). Perhaps this 1/87 model of the Me-109 was the best available option. Ake,you are correct,the propellorhub looks like a G type,the hub of the Emil was cone shaped. Did you know that Me-109 planes were also used by the Finnish airforce during 1941-45? They were also used by the Spanish air force. Interestingly they were retrofitted with Rolls Royce Merlin engines, bringing into one plane the two opposing sides of the Battle of Britain. In the 1969 film of that name the Spanish aircraft were used to represent the German airforce. I still cring to see the dogfighting footage with all aircraft using the same engines!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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RayF		#16 Posted : 26 February 2016 08:30:10(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: michelvr .... I still need a locomotive to pull the train set and I'll need help in knowing which one? Michel In my opinion the best fit would be one of the "Kriegslokomotives". The Br42 and the Br52 would be most appropriate. Marklin make many models of the Br52 which could be used, though a Camouflaged version would be the best match. Marklin don't make a model of the Br42. Please note that this is not the same locomotive as the Br042, which is an oil fired version of the Br41. I believe Roco make a nice model of the Br42. If you want a bit of fiction you could also use the Br53 Borsig!
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H0		#17 Posted : 26 February 2016 08:42:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,441 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: RayF In my opinion the best fit would be one of the "Kriegslokomotives". The Br42 and the Br52 would be most appropriate. The BR 52 was just a simplified BR 50, optimized for mass production. IMHO a BR 52 is not better than a BR 50 or BR 44 or BR 38.10-40 or other older locos when it comes to hauling such a train. They are all "most appropriate" and the list is incomplete. Post-war locomotives like DB BR 23 are not "most appropriate" - even with a fictitious camouflage paint scheme.
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RayF		#18 Posted : 26 February 2016 08:48:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: RayF In my opinion the best fit would be one of the "Kriegslokomotives". The Br42 and the Br52 would be most appropriate. The BR 52 was just a simplified BR 50, optimized for mass production. IMHO a BR 52 is not better than a BR 50 or BR 44 or BR 38.10-40 or other older locos when it comes to hauling such a train. They are all "most appropriate" and the list is incomplete. Post-war locomotives like DB BR 23 are not "most appropriate" - even with a fictitious camouflage paint scheme. Perhaps I should have used the word "iconic" rather than "appropriate". Of course any freight loco of the period could have hauled such a train.
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Br502362		#19 Posted : 26 February 2016 08:54:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Originally Posted by: NS1200 Ake,you are correct,the propellorhub looks like a G type,the hub of the Emil was cone shaped. Did you know that Me-109 planes were also used by the Finnish airforce during 1941-45? Paul, First batch of G-2 models were delivered in january 1943 and first battles were fought in march same year. All together 164 Me-109 fighters were bought from Germany and they achieved 663 aerial victories during the war. Me-109 was our main fighter until 1954. Two G-6 planes exists still in museums. One in Tikkakoski and one in Utti. Some G-2:s were painted in Finnish camo (olive green, black, sky blue) but all G-6 and G-8 models carried German camo with Finnish insignia. First G-2 And G-6 Cheers Åke
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Oliver nagel		#20 Posted : 26 February 2016 17:16:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Allegany		This a great post leaning about the BF 109 and loks !
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NS1200		#21 Posted : 27 February 2016 08:17:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		The planes in the set also seem to have the socalled Galland canopy,only used much later in WW2. Adolf Galland was a German top ace and later general of the airforce,he advocated the use of a canopy with a better view around,as compared to the "dog-case" canopy used earlier. As such,the planes are indeed G type Me-109s. The planes were supplied by Busch. Busch have a number of different versions of the ME-109 in their catalogue,some with interesting camouflage schemes and frontline markings. It is obvious that Marklin have avoided direct reference to WW2 combat duty. For such a short and light(!) train i would opt for a small steamer as pulling power,for example a DRG series P8/38,64 or 86. Finnish Me-109s: Can be explained by the fact that Russia invaded Finland in 1940,the socalled Winter War. This made Russia the enemy of Finland,obviously. When Nazi Germany invaded Russia in 1941,this caused Finland to become allies of Nazi-Germany,against better wishdom.
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NS1200		#22 Posted : 27 February 2016 08:34:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Originally Posted by: RayF Originally Posted by: NS1200 Something tells me that Marklin will be careful not to display real WW2 markings on their products. Sofar they have not done so,whereas others have (Lilliput,Artitec). Perhaps this 1/87 model of the Me-109 was the best available option. Ake,you are correct,the propellorhub looks like a G type,the hub of the Emil was cone shaped. Did you know that Me-109 planes were also used by the Finnish airforce during 1941-45? They were also used by the Spanish air force. Interestingly they were retrofitted with Rolls Royce Merlin engines, bringing into one plane the two opposing sides of the Battle of Britain. In the 1969 film of that name the Spanish aircraft were used to represent the German airforce. I still cring to see the dogfighting footage with all aircraft using the same engines! Thanks,Ray. Yes,this was a great movie which i went to see several times as a 14 year old. The most impressive thing about that movie was the beautiful Susanna York,those blue eyes were haunting me for a long time! For the movie they had to make use of post WW2 Me-109s simply because flying originals were very rare already then. It always amazed me how they were able to collect the number of He-111 bombers,i understand most of them came from Spanish sources also. The ME-109 is a truly remarkable aircraft,built over 30,000 times,sometimes during very difficult circumstances. Although it had its flaws,it was able to keep up with much more modern allied fighters later in the war,due to much increased engine power and armament. https://s-media-cache-ak...558005217af645757244.jpg And the real thing,having the original Daimler-Benz engines:
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PJMärklin		#23 Posted : 27 February 2016 11:54:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,261 Location: Hobart, Australia		Originally Posted by: NS1200 The ME-109 is a truly remarkable aircraft...... And the real thing,having the original Daimler-Benz engines: Thanks Paul, I enjoyed the video. Regards, PJ
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biedmatt		#24 Posted : 27 February 2016 12:19:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		Originally Posted by: RayF They were also used by the Spanish air force. Interestingly they were retrofitted with Rolls Royce Merlin engines, bringing into one plane the two opposing sides of the Battle of Britain. Interesting. The DB 601 motor used mechanical fuel injection and the Bf-109 could go straight into a dive. The Merlin used a carburetor and had to roll onto it's back before diving or the float would rise to the top of the bowl, cut the fuel supply and kill the motor. https://en.m.wikipedia.o...Carburettor_developments
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NS1200		#25 Posted : 27 February 2016 13:06:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Originally Posted by: biedmatt Originally Posted by: RayF They were also used by the Spanish air force. Interestingly they were retrofitted with Rolls Royce Merlin engines, bringing into one plane the two opposing sides of the Battle of Britain. Interesting. The DB 601 motor used mechanical fuel injection and the Bf-109 could go straight into a dive. The Merlin used a carburetor and had to roll onto it's back before diving or the float bowl would rise to the top, cut the fuel supply and kill the motor. https://en.m.wikipedia.o...Carburettor_developments In comparison,the Me-109 had a weak undercarriage making landings a dare devil challenge. A large number of Me-109s were destroyed during landings,even by experienced pilots. On the other hand,the 20 mm canon fireing through the propellorhub was a much feared weapon,only much later copied by the RAF with wingmounted Hispano canon in the wings of the Spitfire. During the Battle of Britain,it was said that if you would see a yellow propellorcab in your rearviewmirror,you would be too late.
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NS1200		#26 Posted : 27 February 2016 13:15:01(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Originally Posted by: Oliver nagel This a great post leaning about the BF 109 and loks ! One of my bibles in this respect is Combat Aircraft by Bill Gunston,a Salamander book,ISBN 0 600 33144 X issued 1976. It lists all the subtypes for each plane and holds exploded view drawings for the most famous fighters. http://www.gunsandtreasu...om/books/aviation-09.jpg
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Rip Track		#27 Posted : 27 February 2016 14:08:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/07/2013(UTC) Posts: 49 Location: Kentucky		This is one of my favorite airplane videos. Not sure if this has an original engine. But I love the sound!
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Br502362		#28 Posted : 27 February 2016 14:41:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Originally Posted by: NS1200 The planes in the set also seem to have the socalled Galland canopy,only used much later in WW2. Adolf Galland was a German top ace and later general of the airforce,he advocated the use of a canopy with a better view around,as compared to the "dog-case" canopy used earlier. As such,the planes are indeed G type Me-109s. The "Galland" or Erla canopy was introduced with later type G-6:s. It had better visibility and an armoured glass behind pilots head. Also some later G-6 planes were equipped with taller wooden rudder. And if someone wonders what those thin lines are on canopy sides in 45degree angle... they are ment for dive bombing. Cheers Åke
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NS1200		#29 Posted : 27 February 2016 16:25:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Originally Posted by: Rip Track This is one of my favorite airplane videos. Not sure if this has an original engine. But I love the sound! It certainly has the sound of a Daimler-Benz engine! The Rolls-Royce Merlin as used in the Spitfire and P-51 Mustang sounds differently:
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Br502362		#30 Posted : 27 February 2016 17:46:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Paul, I must say that I like the DB605 engines sound most. It is so brutal compared to RR Merlin which is great too. One reason for the different sounds is the motor displacement. DB605 35,7 litres and RR Merlin 27 litres. Here's P-51 where one can hear the whistling turbo sound: And here's Me 109 G-4 to compare: Cheers Åke
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NS1200		#31 Posted : 27 February 2016 20:50:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Ake, I like the P-51 Mustang most because it was designed and built in record time during WW2,and it appeared to be a winner from the start. Funny enough,it used the same engine as the good old Spitfire but because of the overal design the Mustang was a much better plane. If you see the sleek instrument panel it is hard to believe this plane was first flown in 1942. The cockpit looks like the dashboard of a luxury car. Mind you,the P-51 was not invincible,the Focke Wulf 190 (nicknamed Butcher Bird) killed hundreds of them. Finally,the air war was won by numbers,and a lack of experienced German pilots.
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Br502362		#32 Posted : 27 February 2016 21:02:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Paul, Sad but true is that technical development has had and will have its biggest leaps during big crises like war Åke
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RayF		#33 Posted : 27 February 2016 21:03:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I remember hearing that the original version of the P51 with the Allison engine was rubbish at high altitude, but the addition of the Merlin engine transformed it. The best thing about the Mustang was the range, which was much more than any of the contemporary British fighters
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Br502362		#34 Posted : 27 February 2016 21:20:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/03/2014(UTC) Posts: 704 Location: Finland		Originally Posted by: RayF I remember hearing that the original version of the P51 with the Allison engine was rubbish at high altitude, but the addition of the Merlin engine transformed it. The best thing about the Mustang was the range, which was much more than any of the contemporary British fighters Ray, Thats true. And external fuel tanks increased its range even further. Later P-51:s were equipped with Packard V-1650-7 Merlin engine which was produced under licence in the United States. First Packard made engines were with one stage superchargers but later version was with two stage supercharger which really gave the Mustang its performance in different altitudes. A great fighter plane! Åke
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kiwiAlan		#35 Posted : 27 February 2016 22:50:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: RayF I remember hearing that the original version of the P51 with the Allison engine was rubbish at high altitude, but the addition of the Merlin engine transformed it. That is my understanding as well, but I don't think it was just high altitude performance, but I don't have a reference for it. Hope whoever thought to put a Merlin in it got a medal ... Originally Posted by: RayF The best thing about the Mustang was the range, which was much more than any of the contemporary British fighters I think they also had additional tanks they could jettison to achieve this. The trick was to get far enough into your flight that you emptied the extra tanks and jettisoned them without being attacked. The german tried to attack the fighters accompanying bombers so they had to eject their tanks before they were empty and hence had reduced range, which made the bombers more vulnerable if the fighters couldn't go far enough.
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Oliver nagel		#36 Posted : 27 February 2016 23:18:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Allegany		The Americans had problems with the Merlin Packard engine. Packard would polish the crankshaft and other parts of the engine while the Rolls Royce didn't. The problem was because of the polishing, cracks could not be seen on the engine parts so the American engines had a higher failure rate.
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biedmatt		#37 Posted : 27 February 2016 23:19:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,343 Location: Southwest Ohio		The Allison engine from the P-40 was rubbish and the Brits who asked North American Aviation to design and build it took a pass. But the P-51 had a great airframe, it wasn't just a better motor that made it a world beater. That Merlin engine was also it's Achilles heal. Any hit in the bottom would puncture the radiator and then it was only time before the motor seized. Ground attack being it's most vulnerable. Even then General Doolittle, after taking command of the 8th, allowed the fighters to attack targets of opportunity after the bombers were away and safe. Now we get to enjoy all those gun videos of Mustangs destroying DR lokos. Now we're way off topic.
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Oliver nagel		#38 Posted : 28 February 2016 00:01:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 30/12/2012(UTC) Posts: 121 Location: Allegany		But it is so cool. The Canadian Lancaster in Hamilton Ontario has Merlin Packard engines in it. Then they flew it to Britain in 2014 and it blew a engine. The RAF put a Rolls Royce engine it and they flew it back to Canada.
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NS1200		#39 Posted : 28 February 2016 09:35:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Going back to the Marklin set,the only "crime'' committed by Marklin is to announce that the era is late thirthees. Looking at the planes they are probably Me-109 G for Gustav versions which means the set has era 1943 onwards. As long as we keep that in mind it is a nice set. On Packard: already in the late twenties Packard built Rolls-Royce cars under licence in the USA,and very nice cars too!
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kiwiAlan		#40 Posted : 28 February 2016 13:13:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,463 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		May be the OP should by one of these sets to get motive power for the set he has.
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NS1200		#41 Posted : 28 February 2016 13:41:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		I would consider using a steamer series 53 in any version (my favorite is the 3302) as pulling power. The series 53 was a drawing board study only,it never was an operational locomotive. It was designed to be much more powerful than the Kriegslokomotive (war locomotive) series 52. I would add a number of 6 axle heavy load flatcars (DRG markings,not DR or DB!) and load them with the superb Artitec models of for example Tiger tanks,in that case it is allowed that the tanktracks would stick out of the cars on both sides,as for the actual prototypes. It would make a real fantasy train,perfect for our fantasy world! http://railmodeling.ocnk...duct/20141014_a1c2f4.jpg In my twisted mind,i reckon that you could even make this a confiscated train and have it pulled by a Russian steamer 37159! http://www.gebrauchtemod...er/product/2/18883.2.jpg
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