Joined: 18/11/2015(UTC) Posts: 221 Location: Brisbane,Australia
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Hi, This model belongs to a friend of mine, another avid Marklin fan. He always wanted a Garratt and eventually found this one, built around two P8 chassis. They were such an icon in Queensland Rail history although not without fault I believe. I lived close to the end of a street where the main north coast line ran from Brisbane and there was a gradient at that point. I saw lots of other steam locos slipping and need a push from the railway yards closeby, but I never saw a Garratt slip. All I can remember were these giant red locos with gold bands, lots of noise and grit in my eyes! This model was built using two P8 Hamo chassis one of which was insulated at the pivot point from the rest of the train. As one chassis ran in the reverse to the other, then the non insulated wheels on each chassis were used to pick up current from the two rails. There were no pickups fitted to the insulated wheels so the chassis were simply wired together and a slider pick up fitted. The body work was in very good shape but the mechanicals were a bit agricultural. It had one motor fitted (which only just worked) and the second chassis had the complete motor with magnet and field piece but no rotor. We decided to strip the model, redo the pivots and mechanicals, fit a second rotor and re-wire it completely. The insulated pivot was discarded. At this time I fitted an ESU decoder which went nicely into the cab. The amount of debris and black junk that came out with a Shellite wash was amazing. When it was finished, I didn't want to give it back!  New bits top, old below.  Not a good photo. A bit of milling was done to make a level pivot plate.  Some rewiring . Channels milled in one of the pivot plates to embed the wires.   The Garratts used in Qld were 4-8-2+2-8-4 pattern but this was immaterial as far as we were concerned. Other wheel arrangements were found world wide. Short video. Sorry for the age tremor. Thanks, Howard. Edited by moderator 22 February 2016 13:11:10(UTC)
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Hi Howard, Thanks very much for posting this. You've done a great job in getting running so smoothly. I can't say that it's the prettiest locomotive I've ever seen but it does impress in the area of muscle. Do you have a photo of the prototype? Cheers John
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Joined: 18/11/2015(UTC) Posts: 221 Location: Brisbane,Australia
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Hi John, No sorry but there would be some on the internet. Attached is a photo of a photo I took in the eighties of a Garratt I painted for someone and it was also made on Marklin chassis but I don't know which steamer was used. The wheel arrangement was correct. NSW had 4-8-4+4-8-4 I think but I am not a whiz on 1:1 railway. Qld had the lovely red with gold striping ones.  Regards, Howard.
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Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,883 Location: South Western France
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Very nice job in all regards (electrical, mechanical, construction and painting!) ! I want one!! Cheers |
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,609 Location: Australia
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It's about time that Marklin made an Australian loco to pull that Foster's beer car around the layout.. |
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Joined: 04/12/2013(UTC) Posts: 2,266 Location: Hobart, Australia
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Originally Posted by: ixldoc  Hi, This model belongs to a friend of mine, another avid Marklin fan. He always wanted a Garratt and eventually found this one, built around two P8 chassis. They were such an icon in Queensland Rail history ...... Hello again Howard, I once more enjoyed your post. You may be interested to note that Garratts first appeared in Australia in Tasmania, by commission of the Tasmanian Government. See my post number 15 at : https://www.marklin-user...ire31-07-2015#post463162Regards, PJ
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Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,165 Location: Western Cape Cape Town
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Wow - wonderful Howard! Thanks for posting..... We had loads of Garratts in South Africa; real monster machines, but tremendous pulling power to get over the mountain ranges from the Cape to Johannesburg. As a Turner and machinist, employed by the then South African Railways, these monsters came for regular servicing in the old Steam Loco repair sheds. What a mission to get in/under these locos to replace worn bushes - we had to literally crawl under the chassis, over pipes, brackets, to measure up the pins - needless to say we came out rather dirty ( what an understatement!) from all the grease/soot/muck! We used to pity the Fitters who had to assemble everything again. I do remember sitting on the front of the Garratts, along with one or two colleagues, as the driver would take them out for a test run in the loco shed grounds - absolutely frightening  as this beast would rock n roll over turnouts, and we would hang on for dear life.....now those were the days, all of 48 years ago.... I sure wish Marklin would bring out an HO model Garratt - that would be something to behold I reckon Joe
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Joined: 27/12/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,165 Location: Western Cape Cape Town
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Originally Posted by: sidblack  Hi Howard, Thanks very much for posting this. You've done a great job in getting running so smoothly. I can't say that it's the prettiest locomotive I've ever seen but it does impress in the area of muscle. Do you have a photo of the prototype? Cheers John This is the Queensland Garratt, in maroon livery, photo by R N Redman 
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Oh man! Put me down for two of 'em. mikey |
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Hi Howard, Thank you for the pictures. A very impressive locomotive. The German manufacture SCHNABEL showed these Garratts in his 1960s catalogue. He used parts of TP800 and TT800.  Regards Markus
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,609 Location: Australia
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Here's a picture of the QR Garratt at the Ipswich Railway museum on 28/2/2009. I think that Nev might have been with me that day..  and the sign..  |
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Joined: 15/03/2003(UTC) Posts: 9,609 Location: Australia
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Here's the one at Thirlmere  |
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,767 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Hi Howard,
42 second videos are great, enough to see the results.
Thanks so much for posting the model, as you say, a very iconic locomotive. This type of modelling was typical of many enthusiasts here in the 1950/60s, where any mechanism was used to make a credible job to satisfy the imagination. Thanks also to everyone, for all the pictures dug up from archives.
I remember well, seeing these locos on coal trains out of Moura, in which region I worked as a young surveyor. They hauled 4 wheeled wooden coal hoppers, the long way round to port of Gladsone, via Baralaba, Mount Morgan and Rockhampton. The cab plates were large, spelling out the manufacturers name, either Beyer Peacock, or Franco Belgique. The area was very rural, with large cattle stations, and towns of a few hundred population scattered around. Still true even now. And somehow, you got the impression that Australia was being dragged post-war, into a new era of huge mines and other infrastructure.
I got photos too, but they have been lost over the years.
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Originally Posted by: xxup  Here's the one at Thirlmere  That has one big mother of a tender on it. Larger than most other B-G locos appear to have.
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