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Joined: 21/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Toronto
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I am going to make some drastic changes to my simple layout. I am thinking of either using R3 curves (Marklin) or R4 curves (Roco, they are the same size).
I am wondering if instead I could not just add mid-way through the semi circle in R2 a 1/2 piece of straight track rather than buy a new set of R3 track. I have done something like this and seems to work.
However, a clerk in a store suggested that this is not a good idea because I break the continuity of the curve and the wagons end up getting a jolt.
What do you think?
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Joined: 31/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 609 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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The broader the curve, the more realistic the longer carriages and engines look. Maximize the radius and also the switch length.
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Joined: 21/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Toronto
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What does "switch length" mean? |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Hi! Originally Posted by: baggio  However, a clerk in a store suggested that this is not a good idea because I break the continuity of the curve and the wagons end up getting a jolt. If the cars have close couplers with guiding mechanism then the train will be longer in curves than on straight track. Mixing curves and straight track will increase the stretching and contracting. I'd do this only to get larger radii that are not available out of the box. Or for testing/temporary layouts. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 31/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 609 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Originally Posted by: baggio  What does "switch length" mean? Switch length and radius of the curve in the switch. In K track parlance, the 2262 is shorter and less radius than the 22715. Many other track manufacturers refer to switch length in the standard NMRA numbers of 4, 6 or 8. I believe someone makes a 5 as well. A number 4 is 15" radius and a number 6 is 43". In general, I have number 6's on the mainline and passenger station and number 4 everywhere else.
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Originally Posted by: baggio  I am going to make some drastic changes to my simple layout. I am thinking of either using R3 curves (Marklin) or R4 curves (Roco, they are the same size).
I am wondering if instead I could not just add mid-way through the semi circle in R2 a 1/2 piece of straight track rather than buy a new set of R3 track. I have done something like this and seems to work.
However, a clerk in a store suggested that this is not a good idea because I break the continuity of the curve and the wagons end up getting a jolt.
What do you think?
Thanks. Hi, Marklin trains are designed to stick to the rails like glue. And that is how they behave on my layout. There is no problem introducing a straight anywhere between curve pieces. Like you say, in a 180 degree arc it can achieve the same width as a larger radius. regards Kimball |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow  Marklin trains are designed to stick to the rails like glue. That's the rule. There are some exceptions to the rule. Some trackplans help to find those exceptions. Another rule of thumb says that problems increase when trains get longer. A 10-piece TGV may behave different than a tank loco with 3 Donnerbüchsen coaches. Trains will run smoother if you can use a larger radius without straight tracks between curves. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 16/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 5,845 Location: Hybrid Home
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I am even more concerned about aesthetics - i.e. the appearance of coach consists - than "jolting". Besides the easements issue, the variety of M* curve segments allows for a continuos curve without short straights in-between. :o/ |
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Joined: 21/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Toronto
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Thank you, everyone, for your helpful feedback. What I am thinking of doing is to put together 5 concentric loops. The first one (R0, since it does not exist in the Marklin C track; in fact, I will Use K track and it will be a dual loop, AC-DC). The second and third one will be Roco analogue tracks (R1 and R2 in Marklin parlance, but R2 and R3 in Roco parlance). These will be joined by one or two sets of turnouts (which you guys call "switch" or "points", I am not sure what the difference is). Then I will use two sets of Marklin R2 curves that I already have, but will expand them with straight track in order to reach about a size R3 and R4 and I will see what happens. I'll let you know. This exercise,however, will have to wait for a while since I first need to find the space in my basement for the extra length of track. Have a great Sunday, everyone. |
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Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW
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Originally Posted by: baggio  These will be joined by one or two sets of turnouts (which you guys call "switch" or "points", I am not sure what the difference is). America and Britain are two nations, divided by a common language. "We have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language." (Oscar Wilde) |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Originally Posted by: H0  Originally Posted by: baggio  These will be joined by one or two sets of turnouts (which you guys call "switch" or "points", I am not sure what the difference is). America and Britain are two nations, divided by a common language. "We have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language." (Oscar Wilde) Yeah.. Tell us about it.. The language is called English and invented by the (wait for it) English.. Then the Americans come along and misspell key words like colour and Sulphur. Then they mess around with the grammar of the language.  Don't get me started on what they did with the imperial measurement system - the gallon that is not a gallon..  I really feel sorry for anyone trying to learn English.. I really understand and support the French efforts to keep their language pure.. |
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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I wish they would make televisions specifically for America so if you buy an Australian television American programmes are automatically banned and deleted but let any interesting and educational program go through. We don't use the word trash its called rubbish here but you can't change it and I hate this and when you put the word colour you get corrected by the spelling of color., I hate this, and than there is the date we write 21/11/2015 but the American way is 11/21/2015, I hate this  |
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Joined: 21/09/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,730 Location: Toronto
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"we write 21/11/2015 but the American way is 11/21/2015" not necessarily. NEVER trust a date given in numbers only because is is not guaranteed that the writer/company wrote the date in any particular order. For this reason when I look at a receipt, I am never sure what the date was that I made a purchase (for example). Incidentally, in Italy the date in numbers is also written "day-month-year". I suspect it is so all over Europe. (I suspect we are going a tad off topic, however...  ) -- Weather report: Today in Toronto is a wonderful sunny day, even if a bit cold: 2 degrees Celsius. |
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Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,476 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot
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Originally Posted by: baggio  Incidentally, in Italy the date in numbers is also written "day-month-year". I suspect it is so all over Europe.
I believe South Africa use year/month/day which is a nice way to have it as it makes computer sorting by date easy ...
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Joined: 27/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 202 Location: Johannesburg
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan  Originally Posted by: baggio  Incidentally, in Italy the date in numbers is also written "day-month-year". I suspect it is so all over Europe.
I believe South Africa use year/month/day which is a nice way to have it as it makes computer sorting by date easy ... In SA it all depends on the origin of the software being used or whether the person could be bothered to write the date correctly but the norm is also supposed to be Day/Month/Year. Maybe we should get back to the original topic. I have a R2 (C-track) curve with a 24094 in the middle of the curve and the few long passenger coaches like it. The second hand Liiliput ones I do have (sorry don't know there Model numbers), don't like it. Old metal 'short' Marklin passenger coaches (4051?) seem to be fine with it.
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Joined: 15/12/2005(UTC) Posts: 3,594 Location: Spain
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Whoa! Please dont mix sharp curves and short straights in order to make a bigger curve. That is exactly the WRONG thing to do (IMHO, of course ;-) ) Especially close-coupled long waggons will look terrible running through that kind of trackwork.
You could even do more! If you can fit in a "pure" R3 curve, it might be preferrable to do R4+R2+R4 for a 90º curve instead of R3+R3+R3. Well, it is just an example. Everything depends on the actual situation and space available. (R9+R2+R2+R9 is another example) |
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Originally Posted by: H0  America and Britain are two nations, divided by a common language. "We have really everything in common with America nowadays, except, of course, language." (Oscar Wilde)
Hello folks, Yes, and also Winston Churchill spoke of the "English-Speaking peoples of the world" Little did he know that in due course China {multiply by a small percentage of English-speaking people [when we were last there a progressive Chinese girl would not go out with (American : read as "date") a boy who did not speak English] by population of 20 billion (can you get your mind around that number) } would become the biggest "English-speaking nation" in the World !!! Regards, PJ P.S. Another Oscar Wilde notable comment " my education was interrupted by a period at school !!!   
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan  Originally Posted by: baggio  Incidentally, in Italy the date in numbers is also written "day-month-year". I suspect it is so all over Europe.
I believe South Africa use year/month/day which is a nice way to have it as it makes computer sorting by date easy ... In Sweden, it's also year/month/day... |
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Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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1. Day-Month-Year, 2. Gibraltarian English 3. Use the largest curve radius possible and avoid sudden changes in radius, including straight tracks in between curves.  |
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