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Hemmerich		#1 Posted : 15 August 2008 14:06:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,734 Location: ,		This thread corrects a very misleading and false posting in this forum. Fact is: the Central Station #60212 will still be available, whether it's for repair/exchange of defective units or for sale. The temporary unavailability is by no means to be interpreted in such a wrong way. This was just confirmed by responsible people at Märklin upon a specific inquiry from one of my dealers here (he has as well currently a CS for repair at the Service Center). Any different statements are simply incorrect and should be ignored.
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David Dewar		#2 Posted : 15 August 2008 14:33:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		My dealer has just confirmed he has No CS available and Marklin will not be supplying him with any. It may of course be that M wil repair one or have some to replace. I have sent mail to M asking when I can buy the 60212 and will let you know what they say. (why would anybody want one with a new model coming) David
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RayF		#3 Posted : 15 August 2008 15:13:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Whether they still sell the 60212 or not over the course of the next year is going to be largely irrelevant if a new one is on the way. In my opinion they will probably retain any new units produced to replace faulty ones sent in for repair. It depends on how ready the new one is to go into production. edit: I've just realised that I've repeated what David has just said in different words. Sorry! Ray
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H0		#4 Posted : 15 August 2008 15:51:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,439 Location: DE-NW		The M* database shows a yellow traffic light for 60212 (i. e. currently unavailable). The database is neither always correct nor always up to date, but it matches Lutz's information. Anything else is hearsay and rumours. It would be stupid to stop the CS production too long before CS2 is ready to ship. Anyway - we'll have to wait patiently for official information from M*.
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mascagni		#5 Posted : 15 August 2008 16:29:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2002(UTC) Posts: 826 Location: Tallahassee, FL USA		Hi: I suspect that the reality is that whether or not the CS will continue in production that: 1. It will not be produced in any real quantity, and that since ESU makes them, that some of this may be an ESU issue. 2. That the technical people at Maerklin have already moved onto the CS2. --MM
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David Dewar		#6 Posted : 15 August 2008 19:04:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		Hi Guys got a reply from M. Very quick so well done. They say to approach a dealer for a current CS which I have done and the dealer said not available from M. Also had a look at the German internet dealers (some of the bigger ones) and none have any. Regarding the new CS Marklin say they cannot comment until it is released but two dealers both confirmed that they will have a new one when it is (released) From that it would appear that the old CS is not available (unless we can get the address of a dealer who has one in stock) but M of course could have some to replace faulty old ones. A new CS will be on its way to dealers when available. I already Knew all of the above but at least now confirmed by the dealers I have contacted (I wont say what one said about the old CS ) . If you want a new CS now Lutz says they are available and I expect will tell you where to buy one. David
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Goofy		#7 Posted : 15 August 2008 19:31:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Ahummm... It can also says that the new CST2 can been already stand by to producing,which explain that old CS has now yellow trafficsign. The yellow also means,that old CS is(?)stand by as "not sure" to delivary out to hobbystore. It can been changed to red trafficsign too in anytime... Goofy
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steventrain		#8 Posted : 15 August 2008 20:27:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Lutz, I am told by some Marklin dealers and Lokshop that 60212 delivery not anymore from Marklin. I have friend of mine order one eight months ago at Marklin dealer but nothing!
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rschaffr		#9 Posted : 15 August 2008 20:35:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 5,181 Location: Southern New Jersey, USA		The 60212 is still listed on Marklin's site as Yellow. I doubt very seriously that they would ADMIT that it is discontinued until there is a replacement available.
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Goofy		#10 Posted : 15 August 2008 22:33:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain <br />Lutz, I am told by some Marklin dealers and Lokshop that 60212 delivery not anymore from Marklin. I have friend of mine order one eight months ago at Marklin dealer but nothing! Tell to yours friend ,that to take back of ordered about CS...! Wait and see after some news from Marklin under autumn or later. Goofy
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David Dewar		#11 Posted : 15 August 2008 22:46:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		Stephen you are correct as usual. The old CS has not been available this year as your friend who has had one on order can confirm. David
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WelshMatt		#12 Posted : 15 August 2008 23:19:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,345 Location: ,		Do Marklin have a mass summer holiday as other German firms do? Just thinking this might be why there's no stock?
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steventrain		#13 Posted : 15 August 2008 23:21:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,686 Location: United Kingdom		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by David Dewar <br />Stephen you are correct as usual. The old CS has not been available this year as your friend who has had one on order can confirm. David Yes, I told the friend to change the order for CS2.
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David Dewar		#14 Posted : 16 August 2008 01:05:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		Matt there has been no stock for eight months. Must be some holiday lol. David
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nevw		#15 Posted : 16 August 2008 02:31:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		I hope that they have some spares. I have to send mine off to Germany for Repair/Replacement. NN
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Webmaster		#16 Posted : 16 August 2008 03:55:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 11,165		The 60212 has been "undeliverable" for more than 6 months in the product database. The units delivered this year must have been in starter sets only...
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TimR		#17 Posted : 16 August 2008 08:49:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Officially, the current CS is on "Yellow traffic light". So yes, Marklin is not saying that it is out of production. However, fact is, no one has seen a newly delivered CS for sale in probably the good part of this year. Only second hand or ex-starter set CS is available (in eBay). Another fact, CS2 is coming soon... I guess we can each draw our own conclusions.
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Goofy		#18 Posted : 16 August 2008 10:59:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,273		Juhan has right...! CS has only been seen at startersets so far... But there has been complaintment about CS from the startersets. Badly condition in CS are customer saying...[:(] I wonder if Marklin has stopped producing the old CS so far...? On the latest time,there has been so much repair and troubleshooting with old CS. So is that´s way CST2 are showing up,as next generation CS that also has become in better condition too...? Well,we have to wait and see... Goofy
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kimballthurlow		#19 Posted : 16 August 2008 12:13:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,762 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Goofy, Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:... complaintment about CS from the startersets. Badly condition in CS are customer saying.... I disagree. Out of the 30,000 (my guess) of CS sold by Märklin, I believe the number of complaints would be VERY small. I have a problem-free CS and 3 of MS, using C track. As this is a hobby (and not a matter of life and death) for me, I don't much care if Märklin discontinue it, modify it, bring out a CS2, or CS3, or CS4 or any other alternative controller. Which I may also buy, if finances permit. regards Kimball
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nevw		#20 Posted : 16 August 2008 13:58:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		All I want is what I have is Trouble free. NN
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Maxi		#21 Posted : 16 August 2008 16:13:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/04/2003(UTC) Posts: 757 Location: Wawa, Ontario		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow <br /> As this is a hobby (and not a matter of life and death) for me, I don't much care if Märklin discontinue it, modify it, bring out a CS2, or CS3, or CS4 or any other alternative controller. Which I may also buy, if finances permit. regards Kimball Well said, just because a new item is available does not mean that we all have to abandon what we have now and switch to the all new and improved. Every manufacturer will develope what they beleive is right for their system and the customer base will decide what is right for them or not. Some like to mix and match where others just prefer a start to finish solution from one supplier be it either opinion of what would work best over the long term or what would be the simplest to understand and work with. How many layouts are still running in just pure analog design to this day and digital control has been around for more than 20 years. regards Matthew
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Macfire		#22 Posted : 17 August 2008 18:28:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		My 29840 is still on back-order. [:(!] I am now pleased about that. It could mean that mine might arrive with a CST2 [:p] [:p] I know that dreams come free but if that is the case, I have the Wellington MMR Club to thank as they received the one that made it to the shores of NZ
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Macfire		#23 Posted : 17 August 2008 19:31:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich NZ boat services only need to paddle a bit faster. No it doesn't. I am quite happy to wait for a while now... Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:[ I know that several/most of my dealers here have those sets in their shelves. Shhhhh. You tell Dion and I'll shoot you. Let's keep that secret ot ourselves
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David Dewar		#24 Posted : 17 August 2008 23:01:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		Hi Tony if most dealers have 29840 on the shelves it cant be selling so I would cancel if I were you and order something that is selling and nobody has in stock lol. david
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H0		#25 Posted : 17 August 2008 23:41:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,439 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire <br />My 29840 is still on back-order. [:(!] I am now pleased about that. It could mean that mine might arrive with a CST2 [:p] [:p] 29840 is marked as out of production at M*. So I presume you'll get it with an "old-fashioned" CS if you get it.
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hemau		#26 Posted : 17 August 2008 23:58:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/01/2007(UTC) Posts: 589 Location: The Netherlands		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:[ I have a problem-free CS and 3 of MS, using C track. As this is a hobby (and not a matter of life and death) for me, I don't much care if Märklin discontinue it, modify it, bring out a CS2, or CS3, or CS4 or any other alternative controller. Which I may also buy, if finances permit. regards Kimball I have 1 MS less but certainly after the last update of the CS, I'm quite satisfied how things are working. Even the 2 mfx loks I have now, are not giving real trouble, apart from really dirty tracks. As far as I know, there is no information about the real advantage of the CS2 apart from having a colour screen. So what are U all waiting for? What I would want is a direct connection to the M*-users forum and helpdesk Regards, Henk
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Charlie		#27 Posted : 18 August 2008 00:31:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 707 Location: Texas, USA		Marklin will have the Central Stations, the well known 60212's, back in stock in October. No production date is released for the CS2. If they develop at double the speed of the Booster , we can expect them in 2010 or 2011 [B)].
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nevw		#28 Posted : 18 August 2008 02:23:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich I know that several/most of my dealers here have those sets in their shelves. Looks like they did proper planning and ordering for the sake of their customers. If they are sitting on their shelves it would appear that they over estimated the demand and are stuck with them. [xx(] Maybe a big reduction in price to move them off the shelf. a chance there for you Macca [:p][:p]
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Macfire		#29 Posted : 18 August 2008 16:12:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich Looks like they did proper planning and ordering for the sake of their customers. Not quite correct Lutz, in fact you are way off the mark. The fault lays squarely at the feet of Marklin, not Dion at Tootoot.co.nz! Period. Dion ordered enough sets - Marklin as usual failed to deliver! And you wonder why they are in the sh1t [V] [V] Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw a chance there for you Macca [:p][:p] Dunno Nev, I am realy starting to get pissed off with M*, their puppets and their attitude to non-Germanic/Euro "Ethnic (some would say primitive) Minorities". I standby my orders currently with Dion however because he works bloody hard for his customers. It is a shame that he does not receive the same courtesy from M*! [V]
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David Dewar		#30 Posted : 18 August 2008 19:37:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		I can see a rush for the old CS when a new model has appeared on the net complete with pictures and a design award. Just how stupid that would be for M is unbelievable and I dont think they are that daft. Take care with the above post and note that is not Marklin that does not care about their customers it is only loopy Lu who doesnt care . As we are aware from his posts Stephens CS has been with M for several weeks now but thankfully his dealer is not as slow as Marklin at providing a replacement. Remember guys M does want your business and they care about customer service do not let Lu put you off our favourite model maker. David PS who are these dealers with all this stock they cant sell when the demand is there. Poor souls must dust their start sets every morning wondering why nobody buys them and M has no more available.
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David Dewar		#31 Posted : 19 August 2008 01:09:33(UTC) Retweet
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nevw		#32 Posted : 19 August 2008 02:13:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Lutz, Maybe why German dealers have a lot of unsold stock on their shelves is that they receive their MArklin stock on Consignment ) and do not have to pay MArklin until its sold, so therefore they have no financial worries about having excess stock on their shelves. Foreign Dealers Pay in Advance.
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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Macfire		#33 Posted : 19 August 2008 04:36:33(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich Looks like they did proper planning and ordering for the sake of their customers. [red]Not quite correct Lutz, in fact you are way off the mark. The fault lays squarely at the feet of Marklin, not Dion at Tootoot.co.nz! Period. Sorry. I don't know your dealer, what he did or not did and when, whether you're personally pissed about something - actually I don't even care. [:X] Lutz, As you do not know my dealer I will thank you for not making disparaging comments about him. You may not care about him (or me for that matter) but I have the highest regards for him, his family and their business ethics. See - different colour just for you, Respekt Mr McDonald BTW: My original comment was intended to be whimsical.
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mvd71		#34 Posted : 19 August 2008 09:54:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/08/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,919 Location: Auckland,		I agree Macca, Dion provides excellent service for his customers.
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Bigdaddynz		#35 Posted : 19 August 2008 10:21:35(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />Sorry. I don't know your dealer, what he did or not did and when, whether you're personally pissed about something - actually I don't even care. [:X] But it is clearly different from what can be seen at dealer shelves here. And they would not even dare to tell their customers when a requested item is knowingly no longer in production/available from Märklin. Guess what?? We don't care! [:X] My take on all this CS availability thing is that the information Steventrain has posted over the 2 years or so I have been on this forum has been very reliable. I know who's information I believe! Charlie's post would back that up as well, no stock until October. Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br />...pissed.... There's that naughty word again! [:0][:0]
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Bigdaddynz		#36 Posted : 19 August 2008 10:43:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Macfire <br />My 29840 is still on back-order. [:(!] I am now pleased about that. It could mean that mine might arrive with a CST2 [:p] [:p] I know that dreams come free but if that is the case, I have the Wellington MMR Club to thank as they received the one that made it to the shores of NZ Macca, if you have forgotten what a 29840 starter set looks like, here's some pictures of our one, just to remind you! Edited by moderator 11 January 2011 20:07:35(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
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nevw		#37 Posted : 19 August 2008 11:16:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Loverly. NN
		NOt wearing the Pink Pinny, which is hard to see and now I have a white Pinny which also is hard to see against MY pure white Skin Still have 2 new shiny tin Hips that is badly in Need of Repair matching rusting tin shoulders and a hose pipe on the aorta Junior member of the Banana Club, a reformist and an old Goat with a Bad memory, loafing around
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supermoee		#38 Posted : 19 August 2008 12:26:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, in europe the situation seems to look different. I have many shops around the corner here in Switzerland which have several CS on stock. These online shop have it on stock too: http://www.spielwaren-stucki.ch http://www.wemoba.ch/ From other Forums I read that Karstadt in Munich is reselling a lot of them from Starpackungen at 249 Euro So just look around and you will find them rgds Stephan
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Macfire		#39 Posted : 19 August 2008 13:18:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/11/2006(UTC) Posts: 2,652 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz Macca, if you have forgotten what a 29840 starter set looks like, here's some pictures of our one, just to remind you! Dave - the word Bitch (amongst others) springs to mind. Just consider yourself lucky we never made it to the clubrooms or you may have come too with a bump on the head, no 29840 and no lord Macca in sight [}:)]
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Bigdaddynz		#40 Posted : 19 August 2008 13:26:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Ooohh, there's another naughty word! [:0][:0] In the famous words of 'Mate' (a character from the Goon Show) - "He went wallop, wallop all over my head. Ow ee ow Mate!"
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RayF		#41 Posted : 19 August 2008 14:04:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		So Marklin will officially announce that it's discontinued when those dealers have run out of their existing stock?
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RayF		#42 Posted : 19 August 2008 14:58:04(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Why is that?...because if Marklin officially say it's discontinued, their loyal German dealers who have paid for the Central Stations they have in stock won't be able to get rid of them at the full asking price. All the customers will save their money and wait for the CS2. Of course they won't say this in public. It's not in their interest.
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Bigdaddynz		#43 Posted : 19 August 2008 15:20:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,764 Location: New Zealand		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich <br /> Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz Thanks for even your confirmation that the CS has not been discontinued; as not only I was told by Märklin directly. I'm not sure which comment of mine you're referring to, Lutz!!
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Weltenbummler		#44 Posted : 19 August 2008 15:43:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 459 Location: Berlin (D)		Availability of a product in a shop surely is possible, even if production of this item is finished. The reason for this is quite easy. Stock has been shipped to the dealers who ordered. Other dealers who tried to order where unlucky. So therefore this product is not available in their shops. This goes for any expendable item not only for Märklin toys I have to admit that all these things we are talking about here are nothing more than speculations on both sides until it is officialy distributed by Märklin itself. Some of you are reading at stummi's forum as well and surely know the rumours about CS2. Now a dealer in Switzerland, also mentioned in this thread here, already produced a flyer giving all the facts speculated about in stummi's forum, saying this is the news from Märklin. Another dealer in NZ does nearly the same. We can talk about all this without any result. Once Märklin has spread any information itself, then and only then we can be sure what's going to happen.
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Charlie		#45 Posted : 19 August 2008 20:41:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/01/2003(UTC) Posts: 707 Location: Texas, USA		As with all news, news sometimes gets made, even if it never happened. Don't believe everything you read...
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RayF		#46 Posted : 19 August 2008 20:43:06(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		I think my theory holds water in the absence of proof to the contrary. The fact that you "know" something different doesn't work, if you are not willing to share your knowledge. Of course, Marklin can prove me wrong by having the availability go "green" again. We'll have to wait and see if this happens. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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jeehring		#47 Posted : 19 August 2008 21:52:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Quote: [size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by supermoee <br />Hello, in europe the situation seems to look different. I have many shops around the corner here in Switzerland which have several CS on stock. These online shop have it on stock too: http://www.spielwaren-stucki.ch http://www.wemoba.ch/ From other Forums I read that Karstadt in Munich is reselling a lot of them from Starpackungen at 249 Euro So just look around and you will find them rgds Stephan From what i've seen , you are right However , are you so sure about the price , on a frenh forum someone has said he paid 349 E for this CS coming from startset in Switzerland Which is a good price (IMHO) If the CS1 is now available , it probably means that CS2 will not be available soon , may be next year ?
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spitzenklasse		#48 Posted : 19 August 2008 21:59:29(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/04/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,573 Location: ,		How much does it cost Big Daddy? I want a class 85. Too bad if I had to get a CS to aquire it!-----The B-O-S-S wouldn't like it!
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RayF		#49 Posted : 19 August 2008 23:24:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Your "knowledge" is at odds with the information received by other members of this forum from their dealers, but you dimiss this out of hand. So much did this upset one of our most popular members that he has left the forum. But you continue to miss the point, lutz. You continue to defend Marklin's actions sometimes against all argument and logic. This, coupled to the fact that you show the kind of insider knowledge which is unavailable to others, has led me in the past to think that you must work for Marklin. If this is not so then you must just be the kind of blind fanatic that gives Italian motorsport fans a bad name. Anyway, there's no point in carrying on this discussion, is there? Let's agree to differ and call it a day. Ray
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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David Dewar		#50 Posted : 20 August 2008 00:43:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 7,452 Location: Scotland		Ray Lutz works for M ... surely not. Logic is not invloved here but you are correct about fanatic. As we have all seen the picture of a new CS which has won a design award you can be sure that sales of any previous CS are not exactly going to go through the roof. I would hope that sales of a newer version of the CS will do really well and that those with the older model will be able to get it repaired which i am also sure M will be able to do. I think M have been unlucky that a newer version has surfaced before they would have wished but it gives us enthusiasts something to discuss which is good and would be even better without the usual problems. David
		Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
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