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It´s has now arrived out.
The problem to use mfx,is that you must have version 4 to upgrade CS2.
I can´t find information about MS2 to upgrade,by use mfx color signals. |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy  I can´t find information about MS2 to upgrade,by use mfx color signals. Just use the signals with MM or DCC protocol. AFAIK you don't have to use mfx to use these signals, so there is no need for an upgrade (which wasn't even announced). |
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 Originally Posted by: Goofy It´s has now arrived out.
The problem to use mfx,is that you must have version 4 to upgrade CS2.
I can´t find information about MS2 to upgrade,by use mfx color signals. Have you bought any of these signals ?? Have you tried if it works with a MS2 ?? What does this sentence mean: "The problem to use mfx,is that you must have version 4 to upgrade CS2.
I can´t find information about MS2 to upgrade,by use mfx color signals" ??? Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy It´s has now arrived out.
The problem to use mfx,is that you must have version 4 to upgrade CS2.
I can´t find information about MS2 to upgrade,by use mfx color signals. Have you bought any of these signals ?? Have you tried if it works with a MS2 ?? What does this sentence mean: "The problem to use mfx,is that you must have version 4 to upgrade CS2.
I can´t find information about MS2 to upgrade,by use mfx color signals" ??? Per. If you visit Märklins homepage and check color signals manual,you read why. It stand only CS2 to upgrade version 4 and this version is not until second half 2015. No info about MS2. |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy No info about MS2. Between the lines you can read that you can use the signals with an MS2 using MM or DCC. Nobody promises mfx accessories for the MS2. Where's da problem? |
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On page 261 of the Märklin 2014/15 catalog it states under the photo of the decoder of the 76*** series signals that they have all connections for digital and conventional (analog) signal control. Peter  PS - I would imagine that if it were only meant to be used with the CS2 it would state such.
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It clearly states in the manual that you can use it with 6021, MS2 and all CSs. From the manual of 76471/76472/76491/76493/76494: Funktionen • Multiprotokoll fähig: fx (MM), mfx* und DCC • Einstellen der Betriebsart mittels DIP-Schalter • Einstellbare Adressen mit DIP-Schalter: 1-256 fx (MM) (Control Unit 6021) 1-320 fx (MM) (Central Station 6021x/ Mobile Station 60653) 1-511 (DCC) • Programmierbare Adressen über CV 1-2.040 DCC • Änderungen der Eigenschaften über CV • Stromversorgung über Digitalstromkreis * mfx erst ab CS2 Softwareversion 4.0 (2.Quartal 2015) You tell us that there's no info about MS2; but it's there! What is the problem? You don't have a CS2 and you don't want a CS2. Do you know what you are talking about ??? Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum It clearly states in the manual that you can use it with 6021, MS2 and all CSs. From the manual of 76471/76472/76491/76493/76494: Funktionen • Multiprotokoll fähig: fx (MM), mfx* und DCC • Einstellen der Betriebsart mittels DIP-Schalter • Einstellbare Adressen mit DIP-Schalter: 1-256 fx (MM) (Control Unit 6021) 1-320 fx (MM) (Central Station 6021x/ Mobile Station 60653) 1-511 (DCC) • Programmierbare Adressen über CV 1-2.040 DCC • Änderungen der Eigenschaften über CV • Stromversorgung über Digitalstromkreis * mfx erst ab CS2 Softwareversion 4.0 (2.Quartal 2015) You tell us that there's no info about MS2; but it's there! What is the problem? You don't have a CS2 and you don't want a CS2. Do you know what you are talking about ??? Per. You must use version 4 in the CS2,to accept use mfx protocol. I suppose it has to do by regestration automatic. This must been same with the MS2...? That means to upgrade MS2 by same for the CS2. Yes i know what i´m writing about. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy No info about MS2. Between the lines you can read that you can use the signals with an MS2 using MM or DCC. Nobody promises mfx accessories for the MS2. Where's da problem? If you did read my first post,i did wrote to use mfx protocol. In this case you must have version 4 to upgrade CS2. There is no information about MS2. |
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Quote:If you did read my first post,i did wrote to use mfx protocol.
In this case you must have version 4 to upgrade CS2.
There is no information about MS2. The information is there, it tells you to use MM- or DCC-protocol. Nobody has ever promised that it should be possible to use mfx on these signals with the MS2. If you want to be a Märklin basher for the rest of your life, at least get your facts straight. Per. P.S: Even if some of Märklin's locomotives are advertised as "Diesel locomotives", don't expect them to actually run on diesel.  |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Quote:If you did read my first post,i did wrote to use mfx protocol.
In this case you must have version 4 to upgrade CS2.
There is no information about MS2. The information is there, it tells you to use MM- or DCC-protocol. Nobody has ever promised that it should be possible to use mfx on these signals with the MS2. If you want to be a Märklin basher for the rest of your life, at least get your facts straight. Per. P.S: Even if some of Märklin's locomotives are advertised as "Diesel locomotives", don't expect them to actually run on diesel. I did wrote to use mfx. Märklin did verified mfx protocol too,but you can´t use it without version 4. MS2 do use mfx protocol too. The problem is,that Märklin shall upgrade MS2 to use mfx signals with mfx protocol... P.S. If you did read my first post,i did not wrote MM and DCC protocol,so topic is only about mfx. Maybe you need glasses to read better...? |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy The problem is,that Märklin shall upgrade MS2 to use mfx signals with mfx protocol... You want them to do so, but Märklin never announced that. The MS2 can only handle a subset of the mfx features. So maybe it will never be able to control mfx signals. This is what I expect, based on the information that is currently available. Until then MS2 users have to use protocols we are not allowed to mention in this thread. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 ...The MS2 can only handle a subset of the mfx features. .... Oh that's interesting.. Do you mean that the mFx can't do the 16 functions or is there some other mFx capability it can't handle? |
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Originally Posted by: xxup Oh that's interesting.. Do you mean that the mFx can't do the 16 functions or is there some other mFx capability it can't handle? CS2 can dim the lights of mfx locos, MS2 can't. With CS2 you can change what a function key does (e.g. activate "hidden" sounds), MS2 can't. CS2 can change the speed curve of mfx decoders, MS2 can't. CS2 can name an mfx loco "Ce 6/8 II", MS2 can't (not yet - maybe this will come one day). CS2 can soon operate mfx signals, MS2 most likely never will. MS2 can drive mfx locos. Märklin didn't advertise more than that. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Goofy The problem is,that Märklin shall upgrade MS2 to use mfx signals with mfx protocol... You want them to do so, but Märklin never announced that. Until then MS2 users have to use protocols we are not allowed to mention in this thread. Mfx decoder does register automatic with Märklins system. Since Märklin do also change soft program,it does a matter to mention in this thread by discuss. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: xxup Oh that's interesting.. Do you mean that the mFx can't do the 16 functions or is there some other mFx capability it can't handle? CS2 can dim the lights of mfx locos, MS2 can't. With CS2 you can change what a function key does (e.g. activate "hidden" sounds), MS2 can't. CS2 can change the speed curve of mfx decoders, MS2 can't. CS2 can name an mfx loco "Ce 6/8 II", MS2 can't (not yet - maybe this will come one day). CS2 can soon operate mfx signals, MS2 most likely never will. MS2 can drive mfx locos. Märklin didn't advertise more than that. By present an new MS3 you will perhaps do that like CS2. |
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Looks like you will have to buy a CS2 with version 4 software (when it becomes available - don't think Marklin have announced a CS3 or MS3 as yet).
Then you can also review it for us and let us know what you think of it (a certain 4 letter word that Goofy uses often comes to mind....)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy By present an new MS3 you will perhaps do that like CS2. Perhaps yes, most likely not. The MS3 has to be crippled so people keep buying the CS3. There is a rumour that a new CS3 60216 will come "next year". Link to rumour. (Pay attention to the date)Edited by user 06 May 2015 20:51:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy If you did read my first post,i did not wrote MM and DCC protocol,so topic is only about mfx. Maybe you need glasses to read better...? No, this topic is about Märklin's new color signals; you wrote so in the heading. In your first post you wrote that there was no information about the MS2, which was wrong. I found the information you couldn't find, so most likely you are the one that needs glasses. Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy
The problem is,that Märklin shall upgrade MS2 to use mfx signals with mfx protocol...
Oh dear, now the ms2 is crap because it needs a software update to make new things work properly ...
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Originally Posted by: Goofy The problem is,that Märklin shall upgrade MS2 to use mfx signals with mfx protocol... The users here can only tell you how things are. Please contact Märklin and let them know that the MS2 needs an Update with support for mfx signals. |
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Originally Posted by: H0 The users here can only tell you how things are.
We can try; but I don't think it makes any difference. It's like talking to a door. Per. |
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Thanks very much for that video, Stephen. I have ordered the 70412. It seems very easy to connect. Peter  
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I can´t see the point: my computer needs a software update once in a a while, also my smartphone, my tablet...Why was a digital CS or Ms2 supposed not to need software update?
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Here we go again . There has just been a full moon down here in oz ,just wonder if this has anything to do with things .
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy If you did read my first post,i did not wrote MM and DCC protocol,so topic is only about mfx. Maybe you need glasses to read better...? No, this topic is about Märklin's new color signals; you wrote so in the heading. In your first post you wrote that there was no information about the MS2, which was wrong. I found the information you couldn't find, so most likely you are the one that needs glasses. Per. You have really bad comments! I did wrote...the problem is to use mfx,you must upgrade to version 4. Yes it has to do about Märklins new color signals! So what...?? And in fact,it stand in the signal manual,that you cannot use mfx protocol with MS2. That´s way i did start to find out if,Märklin will upgrade MS2 too by use mfx protocol. So far you can only use MM and DCC with the MS2. |
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Originally Posted by: Goofy
So far you can only use MM and DCC with the MS2.
It's even worse for us who have a 6021, we can only use MM.  What a crappy controller the 6021 is. I DEMAND AN UPDATE OF MY 6021, NOW !!!  Per. |
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Originally Posted by: Goofy
So far you can only use MM and DCC with the MS2.
It's even worse for us who have a 6021, we can only use MM. What a crappy controller the 6021 is. I DEMAND AN UPDATE OF MY 6021, NOW !!! Per. AND INCOMPLETE!
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