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Offline mkbkiwi  
#1 Posted : 02 February 2015 12:01:43(UTC)
mkbkiwi

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Hi All,

My wife is thinking about getting in to MRR with Marklin or Trix,

what is the best value starter set to look at

Cheers

Michael
Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 02 February 2015 19:45:55(UTC)
RayF

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Hello Michael,

Are you thinking about HO, or one of the smaller scales? Trix do N scale and Marklin the even smaller Z scale. I ask because you've posted this in "small scale", but I'm not sure if that's what you intended.

If you are looking at HO then you should decide whether you want 3 rail Marklin or 2 rail Trix trains. Both have advantages and disadvantages, and the decision would very much be a personal one.

If you are thinking about buying new I would recommend you to look at the online shop for Marklin or Trix. From the link you can access both.

https://www.maerklinshop...ef34caf9dba820fd250&

You can also look at second hand starter sets on ebay, but then you need to be aware of how old the set is and whether it uses the latest digital technology.

Feel free to ask as many questions as you like in this forum, and good luck!
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline ozzman  
#3 Posted : 02 February 2015 21:21:40(UTC)
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Hello Michael. If you have digital technology in mind, you need to be aware that Marklin do not offer digital with their Z scale models. They are too small to fit the usual decoders. There is a company named Velmo that makes decoders that fit Marklin Z scale locos, but they are not cheap. You have to fit them yourself, but it's a simple process, unlike with some other decoders.

The US maker MTL offers Z scale models with DCC, however they only offer models of US outline trains. At this stage, none of the Japanese Z scale makers offer digital, probably or the same reason that Marklin don't.

Has this helped at all?
Gary
Z Scale
"Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
Offline mkbkiwi  
#4 Posted : 03 February 2015 02:54:48(UTC)
mkbkiwi

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Hi all,

Thank you for the advice, I am looking at either N or Z scale for my wife. I currently have a Marklin HO digital layout and she would like something that is a little smaller.

I am not so worried about DCC or non DCC
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 03 February 2015 08:20:20(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: mkbkiwi Go to Quoted Post
I am not so worried about DCC or non DCC
Nothing to be worried about.
Just a decision to be made as you can go for an analogue or digital starter set if you decide to go with N gauge.
If it's N then you also have to decide which brand (of track) it will be: N market leader Fleischmann or world market leader Märklin (with MiniTrix a smaller player in the N market).
Regards
Tom
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"In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Offline Wal  
#6 Posted : 03 February 2015 11:20:13(UTC)
Wal

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Hello Michael,

You're wife is at that critical stage of selecting the scale. It influences all your other decisions. Both Z and N have plusses and minuses....I's say up front I collect Z and have no N gauge stuff myself.

Z offers more complex track layouts in a smaller area (1:220 vs 1:160) vs 1:87 for HO. But it is the smallest detail for working with, and it can be fiddly. Because the market size of Z is smaller there simply isn't the range of Locos, rolling stock, buildings and landscaping options available also. I also use digital (from Velmo) and think is gives you more control over the speed of the trains than you can get from an analogue operation.

Whilst I love my Z layout if I was starting over again I think I'd go with N simply because there is a wider selection of suppliers and models to choose from. And N scale is still small enough to create a "big" layout in a small space.

And I would go digital rather than analogue because of the way you can control multiple trains on a single track from a single control device.

Cheers,

Wal





Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 03 February 2015 11:37:31(UTC)
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My experience of working with the smaller scales is with N scale, albeit British "N" rather than continental. I found the scale was just within my abilities for assembling and painting building kits and lineside structures. I would have struggled with Z scale modelling.

I did consider starting a Z scale layout when I lived in a rather smaller apartment, and visited a Marklin dealer in London at the time to see what he had. I have to say that when I compared the Z scale models with the HO equivalents I was so disappointed that I gave up the idea, and started building a British N scale layout instead. Eventually I became disenchanted with the running qualities of the Graham Farish locos and gave up, deciding to commit to expanding my Marklin HO collection instead. When I moved to my current apartment I finally had enough room for a workable HO layout, and the rest is, as they say, history.

My advice is to choose the largest scale you can get away with from the outset. There will be more satisfaction and less frustration that way!
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#8 Posted : 03 February 2015 14:39:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

I did consider starting a Z scale layout when I lived in a rather smaller apartment, and visited a Marklin dealer in London at the time to see what he had. I have to say that when I compared the Z scale models with the HO equivalents I was so disappointed that I gave up the idea,


Yeah, when you look at the detailing it really is quite disappointing on a Z gauge item. Things like the spokes on steam engine wheels are so coarse there just about isn't any pace between them, and other similar detailing mis-outs make me wonder where Marklin is really wanting to go with Z.
Offline RayF  
#9 Posted : 03 February 2015 16:24:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

I did consider starting a Z scale layout when I lived in a rather smaller apartment, and visited a Marklin dealer in London at the time to see what he had. I have to say that when I compared the Z scale models with the HO equivalents I was so disappointed that I gave up the idea,


Yeah, when you look at the detailing it really is quite disappointing on a Z gauge item. Things like the spokes on steam engine wheels are so coarse there just about isn't any pace between them, and other similar detailing mis-outs make me wonder where Marklin is really wanting to go with Z.


I think it can look good as long as you don't get too close. The main advantage is being able to pack in a lot of track and scenery in a small space.

N gauge used to be like that in the early days, but the quality of the more recent trains is so good that you sometimes can't tell what scale the model is unless you look at the coupler.



Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline ozzman  
#10 Posted : 03 February 2015 20:51:12(UTC)
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"I think it can look good as long as you don't get too close". True, and Z scale trains look OK if fine detail doesn't matter all that much to you.
Gary
Z Scale
"Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
Offline Carim  
#11 Posted : 03 February 2015 21:08:15(UTC)
Carim

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Hi Michael,

I bought a Z scale starter set last year and I am really pleased with it. I suspect that electric or diesel locos look better than steam locos in this scale. I want to run modern trains with up to six coaches, but my layout has to be portable and fit on top of my writing desk and still leave room for the computer - thus it had to be Z for me.

However, Z scale equipment is quite fiddly; it certainly helps to have good eyesight and dexterous fingers.

If this is your first venture into model railways, I suspect it may be easier (and cheaper?) to start off in N scale.

C.
Offline zscalehobo  
#12 Posted : 04 February 2015 01:32:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Carim Go to Quoted Post

However, Z scale equipment is quite fiddly; it certainly helps to have good eyesight and dexterous fingers.

If this is your first venture into model railways, I suspect it may be easier (and cheaper?) to start off in N scale.

C.


Hi Carim:

With the advent of Rokuhan and American Z Line, the days of fiddly and expensive are long gone.

Expensive answered:
You can buy an AZL GP38-2 diesel locomotive for $95 and a Rokuhan controller for under $40. A loop of track is around $25. This is quite reasonably priced.

Fiddly answered:
Marklin's locomotives and track have traditionally been a bear ... connectivity issues from track section to track section and gunked gears / hardened oil inside the loks (from the factory) have led people to have the "it's not worth the trouble" mentality with z scale.

Rokuhan's track solves the connectivity issues and many newer designed locomotives (AZL and MTL) make these just as reliable as N scale. Even Marklin realizes that AZL is a good manufacturer by teaming up with them on the USA E8 release due any minute now. Take a look and see Z is good!
Frank Daniels
Owner - z.scale.hobo
A Noch "Top Dealer"
Marklin Dealer and Z Locomotive Service
Irvine, California, USA
www.zscalehobo.com
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Offline ozzman  
#13 Posted : 04 February 2015 01:47:01(UTC)
ozzman

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The Japanese locos and trains are very good too. Lots of fine but robust detail, and they run well, including on Marklin track.
Gary
Z Scale
"Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
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Offline ozzman  
#14 Posted : 04 February 2015 11:13:18(UTC)
ozzman

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Has all this answered the original question? Does it get down to your wife looking at what's available and deciding on the one she most likes the look of?
Gary
Z Scale
"Never let the prototype get in the way of a good layout"
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