Hi all

Sorry if this is in the wrong section - if so mods please move.


I have two questions regarding consist make up during the 60s and 70s.
The first one concerns the old tin plates of 4022 (2nd class), 4023 (1st class), 4024 (dining car) and 4026 (luggage van). What is the correct order for running as per 1960s? I remember from a previous thread at one point the luggage car was directly behind the lok. Was this still the case in the 60s

Where did the 4047 (post wagen) fit in the above consist or did they run them as separate consists made up totally of post wagens?
Same for the sleeping cars - where did they fit in the above consists?

Then I have a similar question regarding the turquoise and cream cars; 4091 (1st), 4092 (2nd), 4093 (luggage van) and 4094 dining car.
Again how if at all would the 4280 and/or 4157 fit in the consist or a separate train?

These questions are so I can run them prototypically in Bayern Neustadt, next time it's out.

Thanks in anticipation.

Mike

Hi Ray

In the distant recesses of my memory I can just about recall something like that. But the big question is where.............

Mike

Mike:

As there was a relatively high number of terminus stations (kopfbahnhofs) in Europe, it would be perfectly normal to see a train running with the baggage or mail car at either the front or the rear of a consist. It was also possible to find those cars in the middle of a consist, as trains would often have coaches added for parts of the run that would end up either in front of or behind of the baggage car.
So you can pretty much run any way you prefer, unless you are modelling a specific route and need to know whether the baggage would have been at the head or at the tail for that specific route segment.

Regards

Mike C

Hi Mike,

I'm not sure if this is the site you were referring to but it does carry useful information on this topic;

Germanrail

Regards,

Michael.

Don't forget though, guys, that when these trains entered a terminal station like Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich,et al the Loks were uncoupled,

a new Lok came in from behind to pull the train to its next stop so the configuration became reversed. Peter

Hi all

Thanks for the excellent links to the other sites. All very useful.

I now have a far better understanding of putting together my consists.

cheers
Mike

Thinking about my 1955 world, I am wondering about schedules and the order of the cars in freight trains.
Is there any kind of rule book about placing dangerous materials next to each other?
... and especially in the instance where there were mixed trains of passengers and freight?

A site with lists alongside of photos and numbers for consists would be fantastic... especially if it had the dates that those trains ran.
Guessing these would be lost or deleted records for freight?
Seems easier with passenger trains that ran regular schedules than with freight of course.

Great forum thread, though, must say this is helpful.
Thanks
Mark

Drilling down in that topic, one finds nice train compositions:
http://germanrail.fr.yuk...ompositions#.VNDwmCjSVKJ


Yes, German laws and regulations. Plenty, as it is Germany after all. And I could not find a synopsis. The fact that the definition of dangerous goods changed since 1955 makes a research even more cumbersome.
:-(