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Hi all Lazily sitting and looking at eBay uk I came across a UK based 3071 set for sale. No bids, so I punted the asking price and waited. Tad ah - I've only gone and won it for £120. Pictures when it arrives. Now I have to find a 4071  Mike Edited by user 10 January 2015 18:45:37(UTC)
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Hi Stephen Thanks for the post. I did see others on eBay at the same time but they were dearer so I am prepared to have to improve the quality a little. Wally Thanks for the link Mike |
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Hi Mike, Nice one... Ian.
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So maybe someone should push this guy ... eBay auction item that I believe was from the W&W auction, as this guy seems to have a lot of items from there. But this one appears to have a faulty decoder, although being slightly more expensive than Mikes one ...
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan  So maybe someone should push this guy ... eBay auction item that I believe was from the W&W auction, as this guy seems to have a lot of items from there. But this one appears to have a faulty decoder, although being slightly more expensive than Mikes one ... Alan, This is the famous Greg Driffen sorry I meant infamous BR Glenn |
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Hi Ian Thanks As it doesn't smoke (well I hope not ), it won't be with me in February.  Mike |
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Hi all Lazily sitting and looking at eBay uk I came across a UK based 3071 set for sale. No bids, so I punted the asking price and waited. Tad ah - I've only gone and won it for £120. Pictures when it arrives. Now I have to find a 4071 Mike Well done Mike. Will we be seeing it at the next Exhibition on the outer track ???? BR Glenn |
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Hi Glenn Yes indeed. Once I have a 4071 as well, it will be on show on the layout Looks like a 4071 will be about half the price of the 3071 set  , judging by eBay.de Mike |
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Hi Mike, The high price of the 4071 might be due to the fact that most of them are warped, as the solvents inside the plastic have evaporated. So if you can get hold of a straight one, it's worth the money.  Best regards, Mark |
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Hi Mark Thanks for the info There are a couple on ebay.de that are described as new for around 80Euro so look the best bet, given your information. Mike |
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Hi all Lazily sitting and looking at eBay uk I came across a UK based 3071 set for sale. No bids, so I punted the asking price and waited. Tad ah - I've only gone and won it for £120. Pictures when it arrives. Now I have to find a 4071 Mike Greetings Mike, Well done !! The 3071 is one of my favourites. Attached images of my birthday present from my wife to me (with a little guidance) in Feb 2014.   Yet to convert it to digital with great details from the late-but-treasured Svein's site (may he live on at this site for us) also from Matt and Ray : https://www.marklin-users.net/intruder/https://www.marklin-user...nversion.aspx#post395999https://www.marklin-user...ng-today.aspx#post443897I have been very interested in this train (as much as one can be from afar) I attach some images I have collected over time :              Regards, PJ
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Hi PJ Thanks for a great set of photos of the original Can't wait for mine to arrive Mike |
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Hi all We'll it arrived today Here is my first picture of it.  It appears to be straight down the sides and all connections present. I haven't test run it yet. Now to find a 4071 Mike |
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Hi Mike, Enjoy your 3071! A word of warning about the 4071; when I bought my set it came with a 3071 and 4071 bundled together, which I thought was great as I then didn't need to look for a 4071 seperately. However, the red colour of the 4071 does not match the red colour of the 3071. It is slightly darker. I run it like that anyway but the difference is noticeable. Later I found out that the colour of these trains changed to the deeper red after a year or so, and I guess the previous owner didn't buy them together. If you don't want to fall into the same trap as I did you'll need to make sure the red on the 4071 matches the red on your 3071 before getting it. This is not always easy from ebay photos! Another thing to look out for is that the connecting mecahnism between the coaches can get bent or distorted, making it difficult to couple the train together. I had a hell of a job the first time I test ran my train, and it needed more than a little "fettling" before the connections lined up properly. If you're going to convert it to digital I wish you the best of luck! A complete conversion keeping the slider changeover and the light switching will need an extra relay and more wiring between coaches to accomplish, but it's possible. I decided to keep things relatively simple and did away with the slider changeover, but the light switching works. I also didn't bother with interior lighting, as this would also have needed more wires between the coaches. I look forward to seeing pictures and/or video of your unit running! PS. Here is a photo of mine. The second coach is the 4071. You can see the different colour in this photo.  |
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Originally Posted by: RayF
If you're going to convert it to digital I wish you the best of luck! A complete conversion keeping the slider changeover and the light switching will need an extra relay and more wiring between coaches to accomplish, but it's possible. I decided to keep things relatively simple and did away with the slider changeover, but the light switching works. I also didn't bother with interior lighting, as this would also have needed more wires between the coaches.
ESU have a relay PCB for exactly this purpose. I haven't ever tried using one, so don't know what wiring requirements it has. I think Uhlenbrock also have a relay unit for the same purpose.
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Hi all Having given the power car a quick run on my short test track, I noticed the front lamps were not operating.  I had a look for the instructions on the M site and although the spares sheet is there, no spares are shown (  ) and I'm still not sure how the body comes off.  Can anyone help me please? Many thanks Mike |
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On Marklins web site click on service then enter 3071. There are two bulbs one red one clear 600015 and 600010 both available when doing a search on the web using Marklin 600015 and Marklin 600010. On Marklins web site the exploded seems to show you have to remove two screws holding the bogies (wheel sets with pickup shoe). Good luck-Fred
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Hi all Having given the power car a quick run on my short test track, I noticed the front lamps were not operating. I had a look for the instructions on the M site and although the spares sheet is there, no spares are shown ( ) and I'm still not sure how the body comes off. Can anyone help me please? Many thanks Mike please look here:Svein's Märklin site, our old friend... https://www.marklin-users.net/intruder/I did not know how to remove the body on mine until I read PJMarklins post above, looked at Sveins website and I have had mine for 5 or 6 years... PS thank you PJ Marklin also |
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Hi all Having given the power car a quick run on my short test track, I noticed the front lamps were not operating. I had a look for the instructions on the M site and although the spares sheet is there, no spares are shown ( ) and I'm still not sure how the body comes off. Can anyone help me please? Many thanks Mike Hello again Mike, I attach copy of the relevant pages from the instruction booklet that came with my 3071. I also attach some "exploded diagram" details that I have gathered As Thom says in post #22, dear Svein's site as I referenced in post #14 gives the details you require. Have fun with your 3071 !! Regards, PJ       
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On the back end of the locomotive, there is a screw which you have to remove. Once this screw is out, you can lift the shell from the chassis and access the motor and the bulbs.
A few words of caution. Early editions of the 3071 were hounded with window panels that would fall out and had to be glued back in place.
If you decide to acquire a 4071, keep in mind as Ray stated, that models from the 1980s had a darker shade of red than models from the 1970s.
You should also make sure that the model is a 4071 with the two pronged connectors and not a 4070 with the three pronged connector in the wrong box.
This can often be detected if the coach has metal window frames. This detail was not painted on most if not all of the 3071/4071s.
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Hi Mike We'll you answered my next questions, rolling on from Ray's post. That was when did the colour change and what is the difference from a 4070. I shall now review my watched list in eBay.de to make sure I get the right one. Maybe if I were to get a lighter red one by mistake, I could swop with Ray Many thanks. Mike |
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Hi all Well the 3071 went into the maintenance shop this afternoon for a full strip down. The info from you guys was spot on and the tops came off a treat Thank you. A full set of tyres were fitted and the only bulb needed was the red lamp on the unmotorised car. She received a full oil over and the bushes changed. Then for a veryshort test run on my very short test track Perfect forward and reverse control. All couplings working as they should  Looking at the box it shows 79 as the year, so I need to look for an earlier 4071.  I also found the instruction book underneath the guarantee and it shows 86? So I will assume as the box is 79 the model will be as well. Sorry no video yet  Mike |
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Hi all Every day's a school day here on the forum. As I dig around for in to ensure I get the correct 4071, I also find that the earlier 3070 version came with inner lighting but the 3071 didn't, as shown below. 3070 1965-1970 Relais LFCM III RAm 502 SBB rot/beige, Innenbeleuchtung 3071 (1) 1971-1986 Relais LFCM III SBB rot/beige 3071 (2) 1987-1989 Relais LFCM III SBB dunkelrot/beige 3471 1995 Delta LFCM III DE 1001 NS dunkelrot/beige, Innenbeleuchtung 4070 1965-1970 III SBB rot/beige, Abteilwagen, Innenbeleuchtung 4071 (1) 1971-1986 III SBB rot/beige, Abteilwagen 4071 (2) 1987-1989 III SBB dunkelrot/beige, Abteilwagen Is this why the 3070 had three connecting wires while the 3071 has only two Can the 3071 be fitted with inner lighting and if so how easily? Does it mean changing the connections to three cable to incorporate the lighting? So what I need to find is a 4071 (1). Rocking horse manure comes to mind as I trawl through the various ebays...All seem to be the later ones or the 4070 with three wire connectors. Ahhhh well keep looking. |
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Hello, this is a classic model and nice to see so much interest. I just converted last week a 3071 I bought recently. I used Lokpilot 4 chip and LFCM magnet for the job. The train has only one pick-up shoe in the front which made the wiring easy. The original 3-prong cable was used for marker an interior lights. All bulbs are original and grounded to frame. Below is a short video of it's maiden voyage on ETE SoCal layout this weekend in Anaheim show. Regards, Juha Check out also the Dutch movie on the 'Stichting Trans Europ Express'. |
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I loved that train! Here's a picture scanned of the original from a slide shot in 1962 (if I remember right) , somewhere in Northern France on a TEE Etoile du Nord service At the time I was still shooting picture with a pre-WW II Zeiss Ikon Contax II viewfinder camera and a Sonnar 1:2 50 mm pop-out lens! Those were the days jvuye attached the following image(s): |
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Nice reflection from the river! Never seen the real train itself. Thanks, Juha Originally Posted by: jvuye I loved that train!
Here's a picture scanned of the original from a slide shot in 1962 ... |
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Originally Posted by: jvuye I loved that train!
Here's a picture scanned of the original from a slide shot in 1962 (if I remember right) , somewhere in Northern France on a TEE Etoile du Nord service
At the time I was still shooting picture with a pre-WW II Zeiss Ikon Contax II viewfinder camera and a Sonnar 1:2 50 mm pop-out lens!
Those were the days Not to detract from the thread, but just to say that it was a great camera for it's time, and capable of bettering a few cameras that came aafter it. BR Glenn |
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Hi all Every day's a school day here on the forum. As I dig around for in to ensure I get the correct 4071, I also find that the earlier 3070 version came with inner lighting but the 3071 didn't, as shown below. 3070 1965-1970 Relais LFCM III RAm 502 SBB rot/beige, Innenbeleuchtung 3071 (1) 1971-1986 Relais LFCM III SBB rot/beige 3071 (2) 1987-1989 Relais LFCM III SBB dunkelrot/beige 3471 1995 Delta LFCM III DE 1001 NS dunkelrot/beige, Innenbeleuchtung 4070 1965-1970 III SBB rot/beige, Abteilwagen, Innenbeleuchtung 4071 (1) 1971-1986 III SBB rot/beige, Abteilwagen 4071 (2) 1987-1989 III SBB dunkelrot/beige, Abteilwagen Is this why the 3070 had three connecting wires while the 3071 has only two Can the 3071 be fitted with inner lighting and if so how easily? Does it mean changing the connections to three cable to incorporate the lighting? So what I need to find is a 4071 (1). Rocking horse manure comes to mind as I trawl through the various ebays...All seem to be the later ones or the 4070 with three wire connectors. Ahhhh well keep looking. I know this is a bit late to the thread, but it was my understanding that it was the 3070 model and it's associated add on coach that bend like bananas, as opposed to the 3071, whose biggest problem is the windows popping in? Careful how you handle it and try not to press on the windows. BR Glenn |
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Thanks Glenn,
Actually while I was putting mine on the track this week two more windows fell in, on different coaches of course!
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