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The California Zephyr (CZ) train was operated by three different US railroads. Consequently, the Burlington, Rio Grande (DRG&W) and Western Pacific (WP) railroads each served a stretch of the route, respectively. While auntie M offered locomotive models for two out of the three railroads - WP F7 ABB in the CZ train package and DRG&W F7 and Alco PA with double-headed Units, respectively (albeit no B units) - there were no Burlington passenger locomotives produced (only green freight versions). Here is an idea how to overcome this: In the 1960s there was a Fleischmann # 1343/1344 double-headed silver Burlington F7 which is popping up on eBay from time to time. While originally not much detailed and with wide coupler distance, it seems to be possible to detail them to bring them up to modern aesthetic standards in order to have a complementing motive power for the California Zephyr. Still, this would be a two-rail version. Two obtain a thee-rail version, a radical approach would be to place the Fleischmann shells on Maerklin F7 frames, which is doable - see pic. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Let's hope marklin will offer us an A-B-B EMD F7 Burlington next year.  
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek  The California Zephyr (CZ) train was operated by three different US railroads. Consequently, the Burlington, Rio Grande (DRG&W) and Western Pacific (WP) railroads each served a stretch of the route, respectively. While auntie M offered locomotive models for two out of the three railroads - WP F7 ABB in the CZ train package and DRG&W F7 and Alco PA with double-headed Units, respectively (albeit no B units) - there were no Burlington passenger locomotives produced (only green freight versions).
Here is an idea how to overcome this:
In the 1960s there was a Fleischmann # 1343/1344 double-headed silver Burlington F7 which is popping up on eBay from time to time. While originally not much detailed and with wide coupler distance, it seems to be possible to detail them to bring them up to modern aesthetic standards in order to have a complementing motive power for the California Zephyr. Still, this would be a two-rail version. Two obtain a thee-rail version, a radical approach would be to place the Fleischmann shells on Maerklin F7 frames, which is doable - see pic. Hi Ak! Yes I have thought of that. I actually have one such Fleischmann bodies in my "box of projects"... but now that I feel increasingly confident with my 2- to 3-rail conversion techniques, I may just end up biting the bullet and getting a whole set. Will keep you posted! Thanks again for the suggestion! Cheers Edited by user 08 April 2014 08:52:26(UTC)
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Since this turns into a vintage Fleischmann US stock related thread, I changed the header accordingly. Got myself a consist of five Santa Fe Hi-Liners with NMRA couplers. One coupler is missing and another one is broken. Seeked (and obtained prompt) advice from Jvuye. Procured coupler conversion starter set by German maker SYMOBA (http://www.symoba-schniering.de/produkte.htm). Am travelling. Will start conversion process soon. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And here is the train. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Since this turns into a vintage Fleischmann US stock related thread, I changed the header accordingly.
Got myself a consist of five Santa Fe Hi-Liners with NMRA couplers. One coupler is missing and another one is broken. Seeked (and obtained prompt) advice from Jvuye. Procured coupler conversion starter set made by German maker SYMOBA (http://www.symoba-schniering.de/produkte.htm). Am travelling. Will start conversion process soon. SYMOBA is a nice shop with kind people. They always have solution for coupling problems and replacing no more produced parts... By the way, thank you for making me discover the US world of Fleischmann I did not know... Best Regards Joël |
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Now ***that*** would be really cool! And another opportunity for them to re-issue a set of Cal Zephyr coaches with different markings! (I mean other "Silver xxxx" names) But I am not holding my breath! |
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French ad for (nowadays) vintage Fleischmann US articles Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Now ***that*** would be really cool! And another opportunity for them to re-issue a set of Cal Zephyr coaches with different markings! (I mean other "Silver xxxx" names) But I am not holding my breath! That sounds better.You have a great idea.  
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US ad for Fleischmann... Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And a German ad with "my" Santa Fe Hi-Liners Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And an overview of US coaches by Fleischmann: - New Haven - Santa Fe - Union Pacific
Addendum: from 1961-1962 Fleischmann catalogue Edited by user 19 April 2014 21:49:05(UTC)
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Hi,
The old Fleischmann US stuff has quite a following here in Australia.
In the mid-1950s, Fleischmann was offered readily in the shops here, as an alternative to the ubiquitous Hornby Dublo brand.
No doubt, to help the Europeans and Brits recover from that devastating war, and put tinned goods back on the table.
My first train set was a Fleishmann, albeit with the German tinplate rolling stock, but a Marklin-like class 80 in die-cast metal.
I remember my father explaining how German precision engineering and toy making was simply the best.
Oh how I used to salivate over the pages of my first catalogue - 1960, which I still have.
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Hello Kimball,
Lovely family story!
Whilst my first and only trainset as a child was a Hornby Dublo , my boys were brought up on the Märklin I accumulated starting 1983.
Only the youngest (now 30 yrs old) still has any interest in the layout development.
Perhaps in turn they may have model trains with their children but the whole such thing in life seem different now.
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From 1965-1966 Fleischmann catalogue Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Clos-up view of the Fleischmann shell on the Maerklin chassis. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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One can dream (even if they are F3s) BrandonVA attached the following image(s): |
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From the 1961-1962 Fleischmann catalogue Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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More from the 1961-1962 catslogue Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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1961-1962 US freight cars Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And the final page with US stock from that catalogue Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek 1961-1962 US freight cars Hi Ak, I thought I saw once that Fleischmann managed to release a grey version of the caboose #1435. And it is very rare. Or am I getting that idea mixed up with a corresponding release from Marklin, much later? regards Kimball |
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Hi Kimball, Did you mean this grey Fleischmann caboose # 1435 - see pic? Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Obviously, the target audience in the US differed from the more juvenile one in Europe - see ad. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Hi Kimball,
Did you mean this grey Fleischmann caboose # 1435 - see pic? Yes Ak, that is the one. I am surprised that my memory is so good. Is it rare? "Yoo kissim wee" - that is Papuan language for "Where did you get it?". Mmmm! not sure about the advertisement with the version of my mother's nightmare when I was 16. regards Kimball |
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Hi Kimball, Papuan, hm? And you are older than 16?  Well, I do not know Papuan, but my German helped to get the desired information. Yes, it is rare and was only produced for the US market. Source: http://www.effert.de/Album/1435G.htm |
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Regarding the attire, at least target group members were expected to wear tie and coat. Edited by user 21 April 2014 22:50:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Regarding the attire, at At least target group members were expected to wear tie and coat. Marklin at least let the boys dress down ;) Although, fast forward to my favourite 1989 catalog...I am not sure how much changed? BrandonVA attached the following image(s): |
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First Maerklin compatible (close) coupler fixed. Test ride through R1 and S-curves mastered. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Also stricter dress code for US Sales staff back then. Note: absence of baseball cap. ;-) Edited by user 28 April 2014 18:20:12(UTC)
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Fleischmann US Streamliners were offered for a short time, too. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Fleischmann vintage Burlington starter set. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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And one for the CZ nuts. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Vintage collectors beware: Please ignore this post. Final delivery of couplers received and entire Hi-Liner consist converted to short couplers. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Another Burlington F unit variation: A + B unit Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Another Burlington F unit variation: A + B unit I think we see three units. 
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Another Burlington F unit variation: A + B unit I think we see three units. Upon your comment, I casted an eye on it: True. I blindly followed the photo description, which was a mistake...  |
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I'm impressed that Fleischmann had the Alco's already in the 60's...  |
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When I lived in Canada a friend of mine got the Union Pacific set for me from a 2nd shop in Portland in the USA. Mine had both F units powered and it came with 5 tin plate coaches. The UP version was the only one that had both units powered. Some of the gears were plastic which could wear out on the motors. Two of the coaches had lights [ 2 big bulbs in each from the roof ] I always liked that set even if it was a bit noisy and sorry I ever sold it .Eddie
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The Hi-Liners came with interior lighting, meant to be fed by the Fleischmann two-rail system. I converted one of the terminal sidings by isolating one of the rails and connecting it to the "inner third rail" feeder, thus being able to run locos on the track while at the same time feeding the interior lamps of the coaches. Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Do not know where else to show these oddities: 1) Santa Fe F7 shorty 2) Santa Fe (or Union Pacific) F7 stretch loco 3) Santa Fe F7 (Fleischmann loco and Roco cars) with Faller AMS car system 4) Santa Fe F7 with Tyco slot cars Alsterstreek attached the following image(s): |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Regarding the attire, at least target group members were expected to wear tie and coat. I detected some info on the black and white US Fleischmann advertisments: Charlie Merzbach, a colorful character in the US model railroad business, was from the late 1940’s until the 1970’s the US Agent for Fleischmann (in the 1960 also for Arnold). Many of his early advertisements - shown above - featured Blaze Starr, a then famous exotic dancer (The gentleman on the other ads is Charlie Merzbach himself). This probably raised a few eyebrows, but I understand that the target audience was returning military personnel. |
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek
3) Santa Fe F7 (Fleischmann loco and Roco cars) with Faller AMS car system
More info an pix on this German website: http://www.björn-clasen.de/faller-ams/anlagen/roadrail/roadrail.htm (The umlaut creates problems for the hyperlink function. Solution: copy & paste link into browser) |
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