Having this long dead controversial topic being resurrected by someone who's been kicked out of another forum smells of trouble to me, or have I totally mis-read what's happening here?

Am I the only one who wants a peaceful forum?

Do we have to have Trolls who never have anything positive to say?

I don't think Moritz has said anything negative as yet.........!

Hello Ray,
I just wanted to give You an update about what happened in Germany. The idea of the open letter was the same and we realized it.

I think, we got respectfull response from Märklin, allthough not all answers are satisfying. But, we should wait what will happen within the next 12 months.

My slogan and the slogan of the letter was: "With Märklin/Trix into a good future!" And that's all, what should be important for us! Märklin got a clear message from several hundred customers. Now, it's their move.

As You can see in my profile, I'm memeber of this forum since: 02 April 2013 20:51:08 This is exactly one year ago!

You don't know me and I don't know You. I would not trust me to judge about You like You did about me.

Cheers,
Moritz

Hi Francisco,

I have already apologised to Moritz, but maybe I'm already tired of this debate.

It could be I've been a member of this forum for too long. It might be time for me to take a break.

Thanks, Ray!

I fully agree, I also hate those over-critical statemens. Therefore, it was my deep wish and target, only concentrate the open letter on the 3-pole motor issue. There were requests from several users to add other "problems" to this letter, too.

But it was not my intention to write a denunciation letter to Märklin. Therefore, I declined such requests from over-critical users and choosed a haed line that marks out, that we want to stay with Märklin and go together with Märklin into the future. It was very sad, that this positive intention was missunderstood by some people.

But I think, it is clarified now and here.

I registered one year ago but, although I use English in my daily work, it needs mor concetration to read and write here then in a german forum. But I decided now, to be more active here and I'm happy about so much positive feedback from several users to my first posts. This will be an inducement for me, to continue here on marklin-users.net.

Greetings,
Moritz

Sure, I know this argument and it is reasonable. But the Märklin mfx decoder have a problem with 3-pole motors. They work fine with 5-pole motors. Therefore, if Märklin would use good quality 5-pole motors and e.g. for steam engines Glockenanker motors, we coulkd stay with the Märklin mfx decoder very well.

If Märklin would change the decoder to support 3-pole motors like Esu LokPilot, we would have a better driving performance, but we would still have a cheap and simple made 3-pole DC drive.

Therefore, my focus of the open letter was on the motor, not on the decoder.

As we can read from several users, the long time quality of some of the new 3-pole DC drives seems not to be the best. Also, the quality varies within the same series. Therefore, I still beleive, that the 3-pole DC drive is not premium quality.

Regards,
Moritz

Moritz,

Thanks for posting here the Stummi Forum letter to Märklin. It was well written. I used Google translator to be able to understand it as I can't German. I just found out that you were banned from there... I am glad we have You now here!

Many 3-pole motors can be good enough, but 5-pole are usually better. But good 3-pole are better than bad 5-pole. It was good that you recommended them to use high quality motors in the premium models. It is difficult for Märklin to use the good, old, expensive C-Sinus, SDS and coreless motors in their models in this economic situation. Also the frames are different and it is expensive to modify the molds.

Maybe they could go back to DCM 5-pole motors with addition of ball bearings? Then they could use the old moulds as DCM motors were used before. For the motor this could be a good and reliable quite cheap solution. But the problem is the drive train = metal gears having noise, especially in locos having sounds. The new motors and their worm drives are so much more quiet.

Personally I don't have any problem with these new motors. I have seen many examples with new motors running really well. The real problem must be that some Märklin mfx decoders motor cv settings are not suitable for some of their new 3-pole DC? motors. Not a motors fault then. We can not generally blame all Märklin mfx decoders as many of them control motors and locos well. It is just the combo of different motors having different properties and different Märklin mfx decoders. So it is actually a motor cv mapping problem. Märklin has not done the cv mapping well enough to all different motors and locos having different weight and drivetrain ratios (different gearing ratios).

But anyway if I would buy a Premium loco that cost 500 euro I would like to know at least what motor type it is regardless how well it will run or how long does it last.

Regards,
Janne