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Offline mike c  
#1 Posted : 21 January 2014 08:47:10(UTC)
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I was happy to see that Maerklin decided to introduce AC versions of some of the models of the Traxx series locomotives originally released as Trix DC locomotives in 2012.
These will be the first Traxx loks as regular models. Previously, Maerklin had released a number of loks of this type as basic hobby models.

Some may not be happy that these new models come with plastic shells. This is offset by the fact that the models are much more detailed than the Hobby versions and look very nice alongside freight cars (Re 482) or passenger coaches (BR 146) which are already made in plastic.

I hope that Maerklin follows this up with additional Traxx models like these, especially considering that these are among the most common loks to be found in Europe today.

I would love to see a SBB Re 484, a silver TXL 185 with 4 Pantos, a black MRCE one and maybe a few more variations (Veolia, etc)

Regards

Mike C


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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 21 January 2014 10:23:56(UTC)
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One wonders why they chose to make these more detailed models in plastic?

I have no problem with plastic bodied locos. I have Marklin Br103, 110, 120, 151, 216, 212, and others with plastic bodies and they look the same as a metal bodied loco when running on the layout.

I question more whether it makes sense to have the Hobby model in metal and the detailed model in plastic. Shouldn't it be the other way round?
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#3 Posted : 21 January 2014 16:11:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
One wonders why they chose to make these more detailed models in plastic?

Because, it is the Märklin version of the Trix models from around 2008/2009. The models are only new to the Märklin range.

I prefer the Trix models over the Roco versions, simply because they feature more options with the lighting, and because I do not have to apply the detailing myself. The overall detailing is almost identical to the Roco versions, though.

I have several of the Trix TRAXX'es:

22630 146.2 DB Regio
22639 185.2 DB
22634 146.18 Metronom

They run like a charm and look great. I would highly recommend them.
Søren from Denmark
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#4 Posted : 21 January 2014 16:19:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I question more whether it makes sense to have the Hobby model in metal and the detailed model in plastic. Shouldn't it be the other way round?

Personally I do not care if a model is plastic or metal. To me the quality lies with the detailing and the overall running performance. I would much rather buy a plastic model with great detailing and a simple 5-pole center mounted motor, than I would a Märklin/Trix metal model with the old boggie-motor and a metal body.
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Offline Goofy  
#5 Posted : 21 January 2014 17:32:49(UTC)
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Plastic or and metal body...well what is most important to make sure good running results?
5 pole motor and flywheels.
The problem is what kind of motor product.
Traxx models have only special can motor and i don´t know what the hell is the name of manefacture who are producing can motor... Blink
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Offline RayF  
#6 Posted : 21 January 2014 17:59:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I question more whether it makes sense to have the Hobby model in metal and the detailed model in plastic. Shouldn't it be the other way round?

Personally I do not care if a model is plastic or metal. To me the quality lies with the detailing and the overall running performance. I would much rather buy a plastic model with great detailing and a simple 5-pole center mounted motor, than I would a Märklin/Trix metal model with the old boggie-motor and a metal body.


Søren, I'm sure you know that Marklin have never used the old motor bogie for the TRAXX models. From the beginning the Hobby models had a central motor and drive to both bogies.

This is just a question of Marklin choosing to use plastic for the Trix models instead of metal, which they no doubt prefer for the better quality models from Marklin.

Normally, cheaper models = plastic bodies, more expensive models = metal bodies. I just wonder why they have reversed their policy in this case.
Ray
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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 22 January 2014 05:04:35(UTC)
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I sincerely doubt that the Trix plastic bodied Traxx models have the same motor as the Hobby/My World playthings.
The new models have a higher level of detail, will have red/white lights and Swiss changeover and sound.

I was very satisfied with the performance of the Trix (DC) version (22631) on my test track.

The fact that Maerklin is releasing these models this year may bode well for those who were hoping for an updated version of the TEE Edelweiss RAm, as Trix released a model under the number 22131 a few years back that Maerklin could also release if they have gotten over the metal body thing. It is important to remember that the Maerklin RAm has always been a plastic bodied model.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Goofy  
#8 Posted : 22 January 2014 05:15:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

Søren, I'm sure you know that Marklin have never used the old motor bogie for the TRAXX models. From the beginning the Hobby models had a central motor and drive to both bogies.

This is just a question of Marklin choosing to use plastic for the Trix models instead of metal, which they no doubt prefer for the better quality models from Marklin.

Normally, cheaper models = plastic bodies, more expensive models = metal bodies. I just wonder why they have reversed their policy in this case.


Very simple...Traxx models are hobby,which means it has lesser details and are cheaper.
Hobby sees as cheaper way for the customer who don´t wants to buy more expensive locomotivs.

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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 22 January 2014 08:18:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
One wonders why they chose to make these more detailed models in plastic?
No wonder: they were aimed at the two-rail customer. Excellent detailing, uncompromised models - that's what Trix promised.
They made BR 185.2, 120.1, RAm, E 19.0, ET 56 and era III double-stock coaches in that period. Most of those models failed in the two-rail market (too many compromises, not really well done). So far only the double-stock coaches came from Märklin. Now the BR 185.2 will follow.
All items were made with plastic shells.

The Trix TRAXX locos were made around 2006-2008. They became popular amongst Märklinist when they were dumped for prices ranging from 50 to 120 Euro as they can easily be converted to three-rail.

Nice models and good runners - Trix promised five-pole motors with skewed armatures back then.
Now they come from Märklin - but as usual we do not know which motor will be used this time.
Regards
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Offline TimR  
#10 Posted : 23 January 2014 04:51:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

Nice models and good runners - Trix promised five-pole motors with skewed armatures back then.
Now they come from Märklin - but as usual we do not know which motor will be used this time.


The Trix version comes with description of "5-pole motor with a skewed armature and flywheel"

Marklin's description is totally absent on both counts,
so we can safely conclude which motor they put in there.

I'm happy for the fact that Marklin had finally decided to take those Trix models to Marklin range,
but not happy that it came 5 years late, since it is now affected by their new policy of ambiguous motor selection.

To add to the list of irritations, nowadays Trix models comes with the multi-protocol decoder MFX/DCC,
whereas Marklin ones had always been MFX-only.

Though it's not a good idea for Trix to offer their DC locos with decoder though...
Now collecting C-Sine models.
Offline sjlauritsen  
#11 Posted : 23 January 2014 20:05:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Søren, I'm sure you know that Marklin have never used the old motor bogie for the TRAXX models. From the beginning the Hobby models had a central motor and drive to both bogies.

Of course I know, I have some of the hobby models as well. My statement was my general feeling about the metal vs. plastic models, I do not think it matters anything. I also do not think a metal model is better quality than a plastic model, if the running conditions are poor and/or the technology is old. That's what I meant. :-)
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Offline mike c  
#12 Posted : 23 January 2014 22:37:43(UTC)
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The description for the 37446 says "Geregelter Hochleistungsantrieb. 4 Achsen angetrieben" which translates as "Controlled High Performance Drive. 4 Axles Powered"

The Trix 22631 had the following description: "5-poliger schräg genuteter Motor mit Schwungmasse zentral eingebaut. Antrieb auf Kardan auf 4 Achsen." Centrally installed 5-Pole Diagonally Grooved Motor with Flywheel. Power to 4 Axles via Cardan Drive"

The Trix description definitely provided more information about the motor. Hopefully the Maerklin model will have a similar motor and not a cheaper one instead.
The retail price of the 37446 is listed at around 275 EUR. For those who want to be sure to get a good motor, the Trix model can be found for 99-150 EUR and can probably be converted for less than the price of the new Maerklin model. The only difference is that the new Maerklin model has sound. A sound decoder can be installed in the Trix model, but will probably increase the cost of the conversion.

One other note: The photo of the Re 482 in the 2014 brochure shows the lok with the current (Era VI) lok number 91 85 4482 0XX-X CH-SBBC

Regards

Mike C
Offline mbarreto  
#13 Posted : 23 January 2014 22:38:25(UTC)
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I really prefer metal locos and I think it is easy for Märklin to have the Traxx non-economical edition in metal.

I think Märklin should have it done and shouldn't present the plastic version as a Märklin loco. Although I accept it, I think it is
important to keep the Märklin loco bodies mostly metal. If Märklin goes in this direction, one day I will not care if I buy Märklin or Roco, or Piko or whatever...

Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline mike c  
#14 Posted : 23 January 2014 22:51:07(UTC)
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Miguel,

Maerklin has already made plastic locos. The 3070, the classic V216 and the DB BR 111 have all had plastic bodies. Has any of those models been any less good than any other Maerklin model?
If you could survive those models, you can survive and even enjoy a new model with a plastic shell.
The coaches and freight cars are already made out of plastic.

It would be nice if Maerklin made these loks out of metal. Especially as the only metal model of the Traxx series is the Maerklin My World/Hobby model that lacks detail. All of the other companies that make Traxx models have plastic shells.

I have the Trix version of this lok and I can assure you that it is very attractive. I am very pleased with it and am looking forward to adding the Maerklin version to my collection.

If you don't like it, you can spend the same amount of money on the 36606 basic model plus the new sound decoder and be happy with a metal model with less detail.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mbarreto  
#15 Posted : 24 January 2014 00:19:13(UTC)
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Mike,

Thanks for your post. You're right. The plastic Traxx is only one loco and, as you say, they have done others (3075, etc). The solution is simple, I buy other models that I prefer more. As I can only buy a few it is easy to find many I really like :) The Ks and Cs are for me top in this respect, although they still have some plastic like for example the tender cover with coal.

The reason I don't like plastic locos is that they don't feel so solid when I have them in hand and also the feeling or perception that, if they fall in the floor, then they will be more damaged than the metal ones. Also they probably don't resist so easily to high temperatures. I accept these arguments maybe not very strong: I only left one loco fall in the floor (it was the pre-Traxx 12X and it was Märklin and didn't damage at all, but off course I was lucky too) and I never had a loco exposed to high temperatures...
Best regards,
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Offline mike c  
#16 Posted : 24 January 2014 07:35:17(UTC)
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Miguel,

I agree that a plastic lok might not fare as well as a metal lok if dropped on the floor. It might also come out worse for wear in a collision with a metal lok, but as most of the coaches and cars these days are plastic, it will look fine in a consist or on it's own.

I have had Roco plastic loks since the 1980s and they are all doing fine today. I don't think that a Maerklin plastic lok will fare any worse.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline Western Pacific  
#17 Posted : 24 January 2014 16:55:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post

I really prefer metal locos and I think it is easy for Märklin to have the Traxx non-economical edition in metal.

I think Märklin should have it done and shouldn't present the plastic version as a Märklin loco. Although I accept it, I think it is
important to keep the Märklin loco bodies mostly metal. If Märklin goes in this direction, one day I will not care if I buy Märklin or Roco, or Piko or whatever...



I can understand your point, but it is worth noting that not only the 37446 and 37465 TRAXX models have plastic bodies. In the new items catalog I've identified the following models with plastic bodies:

26593 set with DB BR 151
36863 DB BR 98.3 "Glaskasten"
37138 DRG BR 73
37319 DB AG BR 111
37419 TÅGAB Rc2

Then in addition to this virtually every heavy steam lok has metal boiler and plastic cab.

Offline RayF  
#18 Posted : 24 January 2014 17:11:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Western Pacific Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post

I really prefer metal locos and I think it is easy for Märklin to have the Traxx non-economical edition in metal.

I think Märklin should have it done and shouldn't present the plastic version as a Märklin loco. Although I accept it, I think it is
important to keep the Märklin loco bodies mostly metal. If Märklin goes in this direction, one day I will not care if I buy Märklin or Roco, or Piko or whatever...



I can understand your point, but it is worth noting that not only the 37446 and 37465 TRAXX models have plastic bodies. In the new items catalog I've identified the following models with plastic bodies:

26593 set with DB BR 151
36863 DB BR 98.3 "Glaskasten"
37138 DRG BR 73
37319 DB AG BR 111
37419 TÅGAB Rc2

Then in addition to this virtually every heavy steam lok has metal boiler and plastic cab.



Yes, but these are all really old toolings. It surprises me that Marklin are marketing a new tooling in plastic as a Marklin model. We could be seeing a real shift in policy here from what we've had over the last 20 or so years.
Ray
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Offline Western Pacific  
#19 Posted : 24 January 2014 18:01:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Western Pacific Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post

I really prefer metal locos and I think it is easy for Märklin to have the Traxx non-economical edition in metal.

I think Märklin should have it done and shouldn't present the plastic version as a Märklin loco. Although I accept it, I think it is
important to keep the Märklin loco bodies mostly metal. If Märklin goes in this direction, one day I will not care if I buy Märklin or Roco, or Piko or whatever...



I can understand your point, but it is worth noting that not only the 37446 and 37465 TRAXX models have plastic bodies. In the new items catalog I've identified the following models with plastic bodies:

26593 set with DB BR 151
36863 DB BR 98.3 "Glaskasten"
37138 DRG BR 73
37319 DB AG BR 111
37419 TÅGAB Rc2

Then in addition to this virtually every heavy steam lok has metal boiler and plastic cab.



Yes, but these are all really old toolings. It surprises me that Marklin are marketing a new tooling in plastic as a Marklin model. We could be seeing a real shift in policy here from what we've had over the last 20 or so years.


In my mind, given the economical difficulties that Märklin was in just a few years ago, I think it is a good idea to make use of the old toolings, in particular for the 37319 and 37419 these models have not been available before from Märklin in these liveries.

The BR 111 was most recently released in 2007/2008 in "Verkehrsrot" era V livery and now it appears in "Verkehrsrot" era VI livery of DB Regio AG Baden-Württemberg.

The tooling of the 37419 has only been used for the in ÖBB liveries before and this version of the Swedish train operator Tågåkeriet i Bergslagen AB, TÅGAB, is an entirely new livery and in my mind it is justified to call it a new model.

Back in 1968 when the 3043 SJ Rc and the 3075 DB 216 were among the first larger models released by Märklin with plastic body, it was pointed out in the brochures of that time that the use of plastic made it possible to reproduce details better than with metal bodies.

Since then the technology for producing metal bodies has evidently been improved and I would of course welcome if the 37XXX TRAXX loks, the DB/DB AG BR 111 and the SJ Rc/ÖBB 1043 could be re-tooled and given metal bodies, but I can live with Märklin releasing them in plastic rather than not having any model released at all.

Offline mike c  
#20 Posted : 24 January 2014 20:03:55(UTC)
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I thought that I would link this topic to my post in this thread:
https://www.marklin-user...co-68501.aspx#post319030

You can find some photos of the Trix 22631 and the Maerklin 36606. Both loks are models of the same prototype, SBB Cargo Re 482 046:

Trix 22631 in front, Maerklin 36606 in rear
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The announced Maerklin 37446 will have the same level as detail as the 22631.

Photos below:

1) 22631 Bogie Details (Brake Discs, Steps, etc)
2) 22631 Shell details (note pantograph position and fine details)
3) 36606 Shell details
4) 36606 (Top) 22631 (Bottom) Top View

Regards

Mike C

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36606 Top 22631 Bottom.jpg
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