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Offline Kenneth1  
#1 Posted : 07 January 2014 16:36:05(UTC)
Kenneth1

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Hi.

I have a starter set of Marklin Delta from 1998 with some C-rails.

I want to upgrade this to digital with a Central Station. Having already bought a Marklin digital el18 loc.

Are not sure what else equipment I need to run digitally on the Marklin-set I already have.

Would have been nice if someone could come up with suggestions about what other digital equipment I need to get started.

I am really lost in the digital Marklin world Mellow

Thanx..
Offline Hoffmann  
#2 Posted : 07 January 2014 16:56:58(UTC)
Hoffmann

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Hello Kenneth1,

All you need is a Digital controller ( by the way your Delta Controller may be able to run your E18 ).

Your Delta Controller is able to access 4 Addresses 78/72/60 and 24

If you purchase a CS2 with a Power supply nothing else is needed. But for only 2 Locomotives a CS2 is overkill a MS2 would do nicely.

Are you planning on expanding your C-Track and how big will you go?

Martin
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Offline Kenneth1  
#3 Posted : 07 January 2014 23:32:21(UTC)
Kenneth1

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I am planning to expand my C-track, and expand the loc-park to minumum 10 loc and some digital turnouts and light-signals.

My powersupply is a Transformer 32VA. Can I use this with a CS2 or wich one can i use?

I have also plans in the beginning to digitizing my turnouts.
Do I need a m83 to this, or is it enough to use a turnoutdecoder? (with a CS2 or MS2)

A last question... Do i need a s88 ??
Offline clapcott  
#4 Posted : 08 January 2014 00:05:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kenneth1 Go to Quoted Post
My powersupply is a Transformer 32VA. Can I use this with a CS2 or wich one can i use?

The "system" is not designed for the 32VA , although it will work up to a point. The CS2 has a setting for
- 60052 50Va, 60061 60VA, 60101 100VA which serves to protect the transformer by managing an early cuttout to the track as the capacity is reached. It does this without shutting down the CS2 itself. If you attempt to draw more than the 32VA from your existing transformer, it will cuttout itself and the CS2 will have to be rebooted.

The 60061 is the one to choose (the 60101 only supported for 1-Gauge)

Quote:

I have also plans in the beginning to digitizing my turnouts.
Do I need a m83 to this, or is it enough to use a turnoutdecoder? (with a CS2 or MS2)

I recommend NOT using the under-roadbed turnout decoders<74460/1/5> (fine if you already have them) - due to relative cost and exposure to moisture while scenicing the layout.
So yes the m83<60831> (or its predecessor 6083/60830) is the product that performs the same function (and more) of 4 x roadbed decoders

Just to be clear, the turnouts still require a motor<74491> whether you use a m83 or 74461/5
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A last question... Do i need a s88 ??

If you are wanting to extend to automation, then some form of detection is needed and the s88 family is used for this.
Note: the NI2013 60881/2/3 have yet to ship so the 60880 is the only item available. Due to the usual marketing/production tango, you would do well to verify the pricing and availability regularly over the next 3 or so months before making a decision. Not least because you need at least one 60883 (S88Link for CS2 system bus) in addition to the first 60881 to get the same functionality of a 60880 - after that the price scaling does help
Peter
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Offline Kenneth1  
#5 Posted : 08 January 2014 01:06:24(UTC)
Kenneth1

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Thanx for good answeres.


So what I need to get started is:

- CS2
- Power supply
- m83 for the turnouts

and I dont need the s88 to drive manual.

And then it is plug and play. Correct me if I am wrong.
Offline clapcott  
#6 Posted : 08 January 2014 02:28:33(UTC)
clapcott

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Originally Posted by: Kenneth1 Go to Quoted Post

So what I need to get started is:
- CS2
- Power supply
- m83 for the turnouts

Again, assuming that you already have point motor, this list is correct
in future you will need one m83 for every 4 turnout/signal mechanisms that you wish to control

Quote:
And then it is plug and play....

Glibbly, that is correct. a new m83 should come from the factory set for address MM1-4 and is ready to go direct from the keyboard page.
Subsequent m83s will need to have a unique address assigned - done via switches on the unit

You will also benefit from configuring the keyboard icons for their matching use ( Left point, right point, signal etc)
as this is needed when you start building the LAYOUT diagram.

mFX locos ARE plug and play.
non-mFX locos will each need a onetime setup to identify protocol/address and functions(icons)

Additional aspects like acceleration/deceleration delays and max speed are optional and can be tweaked over time.
Peter
Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 08 January 2014 03:38:48(UTC)
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You have the option of purchasing a MS2 and starting small. The MS2 will allow you to operate your ten locomotives on a small layout.
One other option you might want to look at is the possibility of expanding by purchasing one of the start sets that comes with the MS2 or CS2 controllers.
This would give you additional track and trains in addition to the controller itself. I have just made the leap from my old 6021 to the MS2 by purchasing the BLS 29486 Start Set. I am just experimenting for the moment and may still go for the Central Station at a later point.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Torstein  
#8 Posted : 08 January 2014 10:27:45(UTC)
Torstein

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Hei Kenneth.

If you have a blue 32VA transformer, use it. I have CS2 and 2 x MS2 connected to it and use them on the same time, never had a capacity problem. I think you have plenty power for a long time. BigGrin

Torstein
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Offline Kenneth1  
#9 Posted : 09 January 2014 20:29:35(UTC)
Kenneth1

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I have not the blue one Torstein ;)


Maybe I will go for the MS2 instead of CS2 in the start.

How many turnouts and signals can i controll with the MS2?

Whats the main differece between a CS2 and MS2?

Offline RayF  
#10 Posted : 09 January 2014 21:27:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kenneth1 Go to Quoted Post
I have not the blue one Torstein ;)


Maybe I will go for the MS2 instead of CS2 in the start.

How many turnouts and signals can i controll with the MS2?

Whats the main differece between a CS2 and MS2?



From the Marklin online database:
Digital hand controller. 11 locomotives can be controlled with direct access. Locomotives can be selected from the built-in Märklin digital locomotive database or from digital addresses. 16 locomotive functions and 320 solenoid accessories can be controlled. There are automatic displays of the function status in the built-in, back-lighted black/white full graphic display by means of self-explanatory pictograms for mfx locomotives and for locomotive selection from the built-in digital locomotive database. The Mobile Station has a built-in locomotive card reader. A red lighted Stop button is included on the Mobile Station. 1.9 amp power capacity in the optionally available Track Box (60112/60113). 2 Mobile Stations (60653) can be connected independently of each other to the Track Box. When operating a Mobile Station connected to the Central Station (60213 - 60215) you can access Central Station settings (complete locomotive list for the Central Station, all solenoid accessories programmed in the Central Station keyboard with the designations for the latter). Locomotives and powered units can be run and controlled in the formats Motorola, mfx, and DCC; solenoid accessories can be controlled in the formats Motorola and DCC

The main difference really with a CS2 is that the MS2 will not allow automation or computer control, which the CS2 will. For small layouts it's not much of an issue unless you really want these facilities. The CS2 also has more facilities for programming decoders, but all the most important programming functions can be done on the MS2
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Kenneth1  
#11 Posted : 09 January 2014 23:19:49(UTC)
Kenneth1

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Thanks for good answeres everyone.

I think I will go for the Mobile Station in the start BigGrin
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