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Offline DumbGuy  
#1 Posted : 06 January 2014 02:52:21(UTC)
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After restarting from a dead spot on track, all sound functions on my mfx BR 55 suddenly stopped working. The loco is from Mega start-set #29840 with running number 55-5415. I believe it’s technically the same as a #37540 BR 55 model. I use C-Track with a CS2 for running and control.

I have re-registered the loco, reset it to factory default, checked for loose PCB pin-seating, and for any separated wires. It still runs well, and the lights are fine, but it has no sound functions. The icons appear on the screen, but there is no response from the loco when I key them. It’s been perfect until now, and is my favorite steam loco.

Help needed to restore the sound, or at least suggestions on steps to diagnose the problem; e.g,, burned board, bad speaker, crossed wires, etc. Again, the BR 55 still runs well, but without any sound functions.

Thank you -- Richard

Edited by user 26 January 2014 04:09:53(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Hoffmann  
#2 Posted : 06 January 2014 03:45:34(UTC)
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HI.

Please check your Speaker ( cant remember if it is 8 Ohm or a 100 Ohm ) it is quit likely the cause for no Sound .

Martin
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 06 January 2014 08:28:48(UTC)
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The loco is so old, the speaker(s) will probably be 50 or 100 Ohms.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Janne75  
#4 Posted : 06 January 2014 08:45:12(UTC)
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Hi,

I had some time ago same problem with my Märklin 29151 BR 151 mfx. It suddenly loose it's two sounds, but it was easy fix. I just pressed the Stop-button of my CS2 and pressed it again to get track power back. Then the sounds came back. So it was very short time without sounds, but there was definitely something wrong for a while. I assume you have already done this too as you have tried several things already? Maybe it is the loudspeaker and not other electrics in your case, so it's cheap fix then.

I hope you get the problem solved. Please inform us what was wrong when you find out.

Edit: as your BR 55 is so new, could it be possible that you have somehow programmed your sounds volume level to too low accidentally? Just my thoughts... Confused

Best regards,
Janne
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 06 January 2014 09:25:14(UTC)
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Edit: as your BR 55 is so new, could it be possible that you have somehow programmed your sounds volume level to too low accidentally?
The loco is so old, it has a decoder where the factory reset really works and also restores the volume settings.

I'd say: most likely a damaged speaker, maybe a damaged sound decoder (fried amplifier). Configuration problem is very unlikely after a factory reset.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 06 January 2014 09:57:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Edit: as your BR 55 is so new, could it be possible that you have somehow programmed your sounds volume level to too low accidentally?
The loco is so old, it has a decoder where the factory reset really works and also restores the volume settings.

I'd say: most likely a damaged speaker, maybe a damaged sound decoder (fried amplifier). Configuration problem is very unlikely after a factory reset.


Yes loco is an old model,but it don´t say same thing about sound decoder and the speaker.
All locomotivs from the starter set is more weaker and it does same way about speaker or decoder.
I suggest you check after speaker,if the sounds disappear again.
If not less sound decoder ghosts...

H0
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Offline DumbGuy  
#7 Posted : 06 January 2014 17:39:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
I'd say: most likely a damaged speaker, maybe a damaged sound decoder (fried amplifier). Configuration problem is very unlikely after a factory reset.


Thanks, Tom & all for your responses. Since the loco works well otherwise, I also am hoping that the problem is merely bad speakers, rather than a fried amplifier. The photos attached show the speakers in the tender mounted and out of their case, respectively. The two speakers are 50 ohm, 0.5 watts each, wired in series. Space available is 1-1/2 X 3/4 X 1/4 inches.

Pardon my ignorance, but does that mean a single speaker replacement should be 50 ohm @ 0.5 watt, 100 ohm @ 1 Watt or some other specification?

Thanks again -- Richard
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aLoco_BR 55 Speaker.JPG
aLoco_BR 55 Speakers.JPG
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 06 January 2014 17:54:52(UTC)
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Two speakers in series make 100 Ohms, 1 Watt.

The decoder manual tells the amplifier has 0.6 Watts. They don't mention an impedance, so I wouldn't go below 100 Ohms.
Regards
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User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 06 January 2014 20:19:57(UTC)
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The loco is hardly that old - 2007/2008 wasn't that long ago!
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Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 06 January 2014 23:13:14(UTC)
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The loco is hardly that old - 2007/2008 wasn't that long ago!
No, but it's old enough to have a decoder that resets everything when you call reset.
Old enough to need speakers with high impedance.

Regards
Tom
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Offline DumbGuy  
#11 Posted : 08 January 2014 01:11:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
The loco is hardly that old - 2007/2008 wasn't that long ago!


Yes, not that old & performs smoothly, quietly & powerfully w/maintenance -free can motor, LEDs, and metal body and tender w/open cab & high cosmetic detail. Despite its DB marklngs, it looks splendid on track heading a long rake of Wurttemberg freight cars. I like it a lot. And the sounds were great.

As for a new speaker . . . . . it's easy to find 100 ohm, 1 watt units but so far I've not been able to find one small enough to fit the space available in its tender (see my Post #7). I'll update when I find something that fits.

Regards -- Richard
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Offline pa-pauls  
#12 Posted : 08 January 2014 12:26:08(UTC)
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.....As for a new speaker . . . . . I've not been able to find one small enough to fit the space available in its tender.....


ESU 50447
Pål Paulsen
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Offline DumbGuy  
#13 Posted : 09 January 2014 09:17:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pa-pauls Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DumbGuy Go to Quoted Post
.....As for a new speaker . . . . . I've not been able to find one small enough to fit the space available in its tender.....


ESU 50447


Thank you. I'll order one today.
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Offline DumbGuy  
#14 Posted : 19 January 2014 05:20:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Maybe it is the loudspeaker and not other electrics in your case, so it's cheap fix then. I hope you get the problem solved. Please inform us what was wrong when you find out.


It was, indeed, merely a speaker problem. One of the two OEM speakers tested bad, and since they're wired in series all was silent. Once I installed the ESU replacement speakers, the wonderful sounds returned. A nice exercise that reminded me about the diagnostic value of a simple ohm-meter, and even improved my mediocre soldering skills a bit. Thanks to all for your help. I'm very pleased that it wasn't a busted board!!

Regards -- Richard

A P.S. edit for the heck-of-it . . . . . . The loco's now much "happier" on track. The photo attached shows it at the head of my earlier-mentioned rake of Wurttemberg freight cars on this year's carpetbahn.
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Offline Goofy  
#15 Posted : 19 January 2014 07:53:59(UTC)
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So all sound function is working now with an 100 Ohm speaker at 1 Watt...?
That´s good news!
A notice about old speakers name...it stands "Veco".
I thought speaker was made by of ESU.
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Offline Janne75  
#16 Posted : 19 January 2014 08:58:32(UTC)
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Hi,

Congratulations! So it was a cheap fix then ThumpUp . I have one Märklin 37540 BR 55 without sounds. This model should have sounds, but someone has just changed a different BR 55 loco technic to this. So this one does not have speakers and needed electronics unfortunately. This model has a DRG BR 55 body anyway = correct one.

Cheers,
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Offline Renato  
#17 Posted : 19 January 2014 10:16:38(UTC)
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Hi Richard,

Fantastic ! LOL

You have just tested the power of this fantastic forum: the knowledge of its members and the help they can give to solve technical problems.

Cheers

Renato
Offline petestra  
#18 Posted : 19 January 2014 12:23:03(UTC)
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Hi Richard, this is great news. I now have the same problem with my 39500

E50 electric. No sounds! Märklin parts list for Loks shows loudspeaker

E183895 on parts list but signal is out on availability. How would I know which

ESU speaker to order? I have emailed Märklin. No answer yet.

Any help would be much appreciated. Peter Huh
Offline biedmatt  
#19 Posted : 19 January 2014 13:17:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Hi Richard, this is great news. I now have the same problem with my 39500

E50 electric. No sounds! Märklin parts list for Loks shows loudspeaker

E183895 on parts list but signal is out on availability. How would I know which

ESU speaker to order? I have emailed Märklin. No answer yet.

Any help would be much appreciated. Peter Huh


Hi Peter,

The 39500 is one of my favorites. Sinus drive and a great looking loko.

The speaker is 20mm round, 32 ohms. I looked at SBS4DCC, but he did not have anything. It may be an odd ball, or I may not be looking in the right place.
Matt
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But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
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Offline petestra  
#20 Posted : 19 January 2014 13:33:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Hi Richard, this is great news. I now have the same problem with my 39500

E50 electric. No sounds! Märklin parts list for Loks shows loudspeaker

E183895 on parts list but signal is out on availability. How would I know which

ESU speaker to order? I have emailed Märklin. No answer yet.

Any help would be much appreciated. Peter Huh


Hi Peter,

The 39500 is one of my favorites. Sinus drive and a great looking loko.

The speaker is 20mm round, 32 ohms. I looked at SBS4DCC, but he did not have anything. It may be an odd ball, or I may not be looking in the right place.


Thanks, Matt. I will wait and see what Märklin says. It's a super Lok and I do miss its
great sounds. Peter
Offline DumbGuy  
#21 Posted : 19 January 2014 17:52:57(UTC)
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My responses to a number of recent posts . . . . . . .

To Goofy – The OEM speakers I showed earlier were made by Veco, but I could not find a unit from them. The 2-speaker ESU 50447 unit that I installed as a replacement (per “pa-pauls” post) has identical specs and dimensions as the Veco unit. It comes unwired, but that wasn’t a big issue.

To Janne75 – A DRG-marked BR 55 would indeed fit the Wurttemberg cars a bit better prototypically. Both are very nice locos. I just squint a little & everything’s fine.

To Petestra – (1) FWIW, I bought the ESU speakers from “Model Train Stuff” in Maryland (modeltrainstuff.com). They stock a very wide variety of speakers from many makers, and also list their basic specifications. Delivered cost was about $11. Once you have correct speaker specs (e.g., per “biedmatt”), they may be a decent place to look for a solution to your 39500 problem.

(2) Off-topic, my equivalent to your 39500 E 50 is a green-liveried mfx Swiss Ae 6/6 (37362). It’s not SDS, but operates smoothly & quietly with a good range of electric loco sounds. It’s of similar prototype vintage as the E 50 and is also one of my favorites.

(3) Finally, I also need a replacement speaker (I think it's an 8 ohm) for a 37184 BR 18.4. Since its sounds are just a bell & whistle, a fix hasn’t been a high priority. But after my good, simple & inexpensive experience with the BR 55, I may move it up a bit on my to-do list.

To All – Yes, the Forum’s been VERY helpful, especially to a still-learning user like me. Thanks again.

Regards -- Richard
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Offline petestra  
#22 Posted : 19 January 2014 23:38:15(UTC)
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Thanks so much for this info, Richard. I have been with Märklin a very long time but I've only

gone to digital since last October. I will measure the speaker in the 39500 Lok and

then order the speaker. I have checked out their website and I believe they have the one

I need in stock. BTW, your user name here does not apply to you.

Cheers,Peter BigGrin

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Offline DumbGuy  
#23 Posted : 20 January 2014 02:59:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Thanks so much for this info, Richard. I have been with Märklin a very long time but I've only

gone to digital since last October. I will measure the speaker in the 39500 Lok and

then order the speaker. I have checked out their website and I believe they have the one

I need in stock. BTW, your user name here does not apply to you.

Cheers,Peter BigGrin

ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp


Peter -- Good! I hope you find one that works & fits. Per "going to digital", I've done it gradually over the last 2-3 years. I appreciate your compliment, but many times during that transition (and often still), I've found my Username entirely appropriate! It's been a nice learning process that's very far from over.

Regards -- Richard
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