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Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,552 Location: Finland
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Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner. |
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Interesting. I didn't actually realise that there were so many railways in Finland! I will make my first visit in Q3 2014 stopping off enroute from Bangkok to London. Intend to do a side-trip by train from Helsinki to St Petersburg. Any good Marklin shops in Helsinki?
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That's the first big order for the new Siemens Vectron locomotive. And the first order for a broad gauge version of the Vectron.
LS Models announced an H0 model of the Vectron. Maybe more models will be announced in 2014. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,552 Location: Finland
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Originally Posted by: stevekl  Interesting. I didn't actually realise that there were so many railways in Finland! I will make my first visit in Q3 2014 stopping off enroute from Bangkok to London. Intend to do a side-trip by train from Helsinki to St Petersburg. Any good Marklin shops in Helsinki? Hi, Yes we have quite long distances as Finland is a around 1300 km long country. If you want to go to a MRR shop that sell also Märklin and has the largest number of products in their shop I recommend Mallikauppa. It is some kilometers from Helsinki center. Here is a link, but unfortunately only in Finnish  : MallikauppaHere is information: Shop name: Mallikauppa / Fintir Oy Address: Hämeentie 19, 00500 Helsinki Phone / Fax (09) 4540713 Opening hours Monday - Friday AM 10 - PM 17 Saturdays AM 10 - PM 15 (shop is closed on summer Saturdays on June, July and August). I buy mostly from H0 Junamatkat Oy, but it's location is difficult for a tourist. It is located in a house at Marjaniemenranta, Helsinki. There is not so much stuff available, but by ordering all is possible. If you want the closest Märklin shop near Helsinki city centrum there is another shop Hobbypoint, but I have not been there for over 10 years and don't know how much Märklin there is available. It is very pricey shop so I don't use it. Here is some info (in Finnish only  ): HobbyPointIf I were in your shoes and would like to go to shop that sell Märklin I would go to Mallikauppa. Not the cheapest shop, but best collection of MRR stuff available in Helsinki. Welcome to Finland and Helsinki  . Best regards, Janne |
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner. |
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Originally Posted by: Janne75  I woundered if Marklin would make one of these aimend at there new sales at older children! A sought of budget. One with sound! |
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Originally Posted by: Janne75  If you want the closest Märklin shop near Helsinki city centrum there is another shop Hobbypoint, but I have not been there for over 10 years and don't know how much Märklin there is available. It is very pricey shop so I don't use it.
IMHO Hobby Point is very good. Almost all new items, models from previous years, MHI stuff, catalogues, brochures, Marklin magazin always in stock. Perfect location in the city centre. Slightly pricey, that's true. But my absolute fave is HO Junamatkat. Super-friendly staff. Not many items in stock, but almost all M* items, including MHI, can be ordered for very reasonable prices. Possibility to check various models on the layout immediately and chose the one you like. 100% best shop in Finland. OK, need to stop that OT: Janne, about 2 years ago there were talks in Finland that M* considers producing VR Class Sr2 electric loco. Have you heard something about it? All the best, Andrey
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Andrey, yes I agree that H0 Junamatkat is the best shop if you know what you want to buy and have ordered the items before, so you can be sure to get them. But if you just go to a MRR shop and want to see around and need for example rolling stock, then Mallikauppa has much more items in stock. They also have a good variety of all other stuff like scenery stuff, trees, paints, books, building kits etc. It is so much bigger shop that it is possible to have much more items in stock. But I like the very friendly customer service from Jorma in H0 Junamatkat. It can be quite difficult to get over his place as a tourist tough  . Take a taxi or something? I don't know as I use my own car. I have heard something from Jorma about that VR Class Sr2 electric loco, but as I have not any interest in Finnish electric locos I don't remember if it is available or have it been available. I would only be interested in Finnish old steam locomotives TR 2 and HR 2. It will not happen ever that Märklin would produce these, so Finnish model railroaders (2-rail) have done them itself. Regards, Janne |
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner. |
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Originally Posted by: Janne75  Originally Posted by: stevekl  Interesting. I didn't actually realise that there were so many railways in Finland! I will make my first visit in Q3 2014 stopping off enroute from Bangkok to London. Intend to do a side-trip by train from Helsinki to St Petersburg. Any good Marklin shops in Helsinki? Hi, Yes we have quite long distances as Finland is a around 1300 km long country. If you want to go to a MRR shop that sell also Märklin and has the largest number of products in their shop I recommend Mallikauppa. It is some kilometers from Helsinki center. Here is a link, but unfortunately only in Finnish  : MallikauppaHere is information: Shop name: Mallikauppa / Fintir Oy Address: Hämeentie 19, 00500 Helsinki Phone / Fax (09) 4540713 Opening hours Monday - Friday AM 10 - PM 17 Saturdays AM 10 - PM 15 (shop is closed on summer Saturdays on June, July and August). I buy mostly from H0 Junamatkat Oy, but it's location is difficult for a tourist. It is located in a house at Marjaniemenranta, Helsinki. There is not so much stuff available, but by ordering all is possible. If you want the closest Märklin shop near Helsinki city centrum there is another shop Hobbypoint, but I have not been there for over 10 years and don't know how much Märklin there is available. It is very pricey shop so I don't use it. Here is some info (in Finnish only  ): HobbyPointIf I were in your shoes and would like to go to shop that sell Märklin I would go to Mallikauppa. Not the cheapest shop, but best collection of MRR stuff available in Helsinki. Welcome to Finland and Helsinki  . Best regards, Janne Many thanks Janne - that's tremendously helpful, and I will take up your advice and make an effort to visit Mallikauppa. I have 9 months to browse their website so even someone of my poor languages calibre, should be able to pick up a bit of Finnish. No doubt I will also drop into Hobbypoint to check it out aided by some useful insight from Andrey. Cheers guys!
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Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,552 Location: Finland
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Hi, You're welcome. They can speak English in Mallikauppa, so you don't have to learn Finnish (if you don't want). Cheers, Janne |
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner. |
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I hope Siemens will not use cheap 3 pole motors in the Vectrons Now a bit more serious: How do the Vectrons compare to Traxx and to ES64F1? |
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto  How do the Vectrons compare to Traxx and to ES64F1? The Vectron is the successor of ES64F4 and ES64U4 (well, the whole EuroSprinter family), 160 or 200 km/h and up to 6.4 MW. TRAXX locos are made for 140 or 160 km/h and have up to 5.6 MW. |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Originally Posted by: H0  Originally Posted by: mbarreto  How do the Vectrons compare to Traxx and to ES64F1? The Vectron is the successor of ES64F4 and ES64U4 (well, the whole EuroSprinter family), 160 or 200 km/h and up to 6.4 MW. TRAXX locos are made for 140 or 160 km/h and have up to 5.6 MW. Thanks Tom and also Janne for starting this thread. CP, the Portuguese railways company, have 25 ES64F1 with a maximum speed of 140Km/h and 4684 KW. 25KV AC, 50Hz and broad/wide gauge. It is a bit strange that in terms of appearance our ES64F1s look more like the Vectron than the ES64F4 and ES64U4. It is just the look! The link below points to a site with photos of them. http://www.trainlogistic...fias/loc4700%2801%29.htm |
Best regards, Miguel
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The German Wikipedia lists the CP class 4700 locos as "ES46B1" (4.6 MW), also known as ES 2007.
The body of the Vectron surely is based on this ES 2007. But with 6.4 MW, the electronics are based on the ES64 family. And the ES64 family has seen several different bodies: from ES64P (DB 127 001) via ES64F (DB class 152) and ES64U2 (DB class 182) finally to ES64F4 (DB class 189) and ES64U4 (ÖBB class 1216). |
Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS  |
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Originally Posted by: H0  The German Wikipedia lists the CP class 4700 locos as "ES46B1" (4.6 MW), also known as ES 2007.
The body of the Vectron surely is based on this ES 2007. But with 6.4 MW, the electronics are based on the ES64 family. And the ES64 family has seen several different bodies: from ES64P (DB 127 001) via ES64F (DB class 152) and ES64U2 (DB class 182) finally to ES64F4 (DB class 189) and ES64U4 (ÖBB class 1216). I read the portuguese wikipedia and it is written there ES46F1 and not ES64F1 as I wrote (exchanged the 6 with the 4, but that is a difference in result!). I was investigating a little more and all other sites mention B1, so it is as you say ES46B1. |
Best regards, Miguel
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