Welcome to the forum   
Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Share
Options
View
Go to last post in this topic Go to first unread post in this topic
Offline cookee_nz  
#1 Posted : 09 May 2012 15:29:30(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 4,000
Location: Paremata, Wellington
I have a number of loco's that are in generally good condition but where the "Marklin" word and the road number have been worn away from handling.

These raised details are really small and I'm curious to know how others have found the best way to bring the lettering and numbering back to life.

I have a couple of old 3000 bodies to use as my practise target before moving on to other items.

Looking at various videos from the factory, it seems they use a rubber block on some processes (Tamping?) and I'm assuming that the rubber block carries the absolute finest film of paint so there is no bleeding across of run-off (maybe not the correct term).

Even the absolute finest paint brush seems to be the wrong way but I've seen many repaints posted here where this has been done so there has obviously got to be a way (or several).

This is for existing raised printing so decals etc are not an option - I just want to get that fine film of paint back onto the top of those letters and numbers.

Appreciate any input from those who have done it.

And what is the correct colour, is it white? (seems to be more of a silver)

Cheers

Cookee
Melbourne
Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline Unholz  
#2 Posted : 09 May 2012 16:39:46(UTC)
Unholz

Switzerland   
Joined: 29/07/2007(UTC)
Posts: 1,437
Location: Switzerland
I think you are on the right track concerning the "rubber block" or a miniature paint roller. At least that was I was told by the old-timers at HAG, a Swiss manufacturer who also had raised lettering and numbering on their models until the end of the 1960's.

These tips here come from a different hobby field, but I think they also apply to what you are attempting:

http://antiqueradios.com...opic.php?f=7&t=58935

A second method instead of brushes is the use of a fine paint marker.
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by Unholz
Offline kbvrod  
#3 Posted : 09 May 2012 16:42:06(UTC)
kbvrod

United States   
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC)
Posts: 2,597
Location: Beverly, MA
Hi Cookee,all,


>Looking at various videos from the factory, it seems they use a rubber block on some processes (Tamping?) and I'm assuming that the rubber block carries the absolute finest film of paint so there is no bleeding across of run-off (maybe not the correct term).<

I think it's 'tampon' Smile

>Even the absolute finest paint brush seems to be the wrong way but I've seen many repaints posted here where this has been done so there has obviously got to be a way (or several).<

I have done it with a very fine brush(0000),time consuming and a steady hand to say the least,....

>Appreciate any input from those who have done it.<

I have not done it but a way to do it is to follow the 'tampon', a very small fine sponge,dipped in paint and then blotted on paper so only a thin layer of paint is left.Then carefully apply it to the raise numbers/letters.It make take several applications.You still may need to touch up the surrounding areas.

>And what is the correct colour, is it white? (seems to be more of a silver)<

Silver/steel would be closer to the prototype.

Dr D



Offline cookee_nz  
#4 Posted : 10 May 2012 03:21:42(UTC)
cookee_nz

New Zealand   
Joined: 31/12/2010(UTC)
Posts: 4,000
Location: Paremata, Wellington
Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi Cookee,all,


>Looking at various videos from the factory, it seems they use a rubber block on some processes (Tamping?) and I'm assuming that the rubber block carries the absolute finest film of paint so there is no bleeding across of run-off (maybe not the correct term).<

I think it's 'tampon' Smile

>Even the absolute finest paint brush seems to be the wrong way but I've seen many repaints posted here where this has been done so there has obviously got to be a way (or several).<

I have done it with a very fine brush(0000),time consuming and a steady hand to say the least,....

>Appreciate any input from those who have done it.<

I have not done it but a way to do it is to follow the 'tampon', a very small fine sponge,dipped in paint and then blotted on paper so only a thin layer of paint is left.Then carefully apply it to the raise numbers/letters.It make take several applications.You still may need to touch up the surrounding areas.

>And what is the correct colour, is it white? (seems to be more of a silver)<

Silver/steel would be closer to the prototype.

Dr D


Appreciate the feedback, I'm sure I'm not the first to face this "how do I do that" issue?

With three females in the house, I try to avoid that word wherever possible, otherwise the teen and pre-teen think I'm just trying to gross them out - (although teen-grossing is a fun game!!)

I'm leaning toward the rubber method, what I'm also thinking is a very light spray of paint onto the rubber, then allow it to almost dry, still wet enough to transfer, but not able to run or go where there is no direct contact or pressure.

Re-detailing the raised lettering can make all the difference to a model which is otherwise ok.

With die-cast models I could simply lightly sand off any remaining paint and just allow the colour of the underlying alloy be the raised emphasis but you can't do that with plastic.

I'll wait a bit and see what others may suggest

Thanks

Steve
Cookee
Wellington
NZ image
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by cookee_nz
Offline kariosls37  
#5 Posted : 10 May 2012 06:45:48(UTC)
kariosls37

New Zealand   
Joined: 02/01/2009(UTC)
Posts: 1,067
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
I have succesfully repainted the raised lettering on my BR 23 by first giving the whole plate, raised and unraised stuff a coat of the number colour(I used white, but I now see that polished steel is more appropiate. Thanks Tom!)
Once the above coat has cured thoroughly, I give everything a coat of black, and with a thin rag stretched over my finger I wipe the still wet paint off the raised areas, revealing the numbering colour.

More detail and results can be found in my thread on overhauling a BR 23:
https://www.marklin-users.net/forum/yaf_postsm301041_Overhauling-a-BR-23.aspx#post301041

Good luck,
Rick
Offline Yumgui  
#6 Posted : 10 May 2012 07:37:04(UTC)
Yumgui

United States   
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC)
Posts: 1,660
Location: Paris, France
Tampons, rubbers ... omg ! Scared

I'll also try the "dauber" (or dabber) concept, very cool ...

Have previously done it with a POSCA fine tipped "uni" silver marker; was dicey though ^^

Good info !

Yum ThumpUp
If your M track is rusted ... DON'T throw it out !
Working on: https://studiogang.com/projects/all
My heavy train station renovation: https://youtu.be/QQlyNiq416A
Inspired by: http://www.nakedmarklin.com/... Am not alone in this universe, phew.
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by Yumgui
Offline kbvrod  
#7 Posted : 10 May 2012 18:10:06(UTC)
kbvrod

United States   
Joined: 23/08/2006(UTC)
Posts: 2,597
Location: Beverly, MA
Hi Steve,all,


>With three females in the house, I try to avoid that word wherever possible, otherwise the teen and pre-teen think I'm just trying to gross them out - (although teen-grossing is a fun game!!)

And a few others?LOL

>I'm leaning toward the rubber method, what I'm also thinking is a very light spray of paint onto the rubber, then allow it to almost dry, still wet enough to transfer, but not able to run or go where there is no direct contact or pressure.<

Let us know how you make out.

Dr D




Offline mb300e4m  
#8 Posted : 27 November 2013 21:50:47(UTC)
mb300e4m


Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC)
Posts: 432
Location: Florida
Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
I have a number of loco's that are in generally good condition but where the "Marklin" word and the road number have been worn away from handling.

These raised details are really small and I'm curious to know how others have found the best way to bring the lettering and numbering back to life.

I have a couple of old 3000 bodies to use as my practise target before moving on to other items.

Looking at various videos from the factory, it seems they use a rubber block on some processes (Tamping?) and I'm assuming that the rubber block carries the absolute finest film of paint so there is no bleeding across of run-off (maybe not the correct term).

Even the absolute finest paint brush seems to be the wrong way but I've seen many repaints posted here where this has been done so there has obviously got to be a way (or several).

This is for existing raised printing so decals etc are not an option - I just want to get that fine film of paint back onto the top of those letters and numbers.

Appreciate any input from those who have done it.

And what is the correct colour, is it white? (seems to be more of a silver)

Cheers

Cookee
Melbourne


Hi Cookie,

I just found your post about painting raised lettering and came upon a solution some time ago by trial and error.

The key was to find a wooden pencil with an eraser attached to the end. Who remembers them?

Using an xacto knife the sides of the eraser were shaved to form a rectangular end (on the eraser) about 3mm by5mm give or take a bit. Then I took some white enamel paint and applied it to a piece of shiny cardboard with a small brush, making sure that the paint was thinly spread. Then dabbing the eraser end in the paint ensuring the rectangular end was covered in paint, thinly of course, The end was lightly pressed against the raised lettering.

Perfect results were achieved by using this method. The pencil itself provided the perfect handle to the eraser and the length of the whole thing gave good control over the application of the paint. It has seen lots of use since. I have attached a picture showing typical before and after.

Peter B.
mb300e4m attached the following image(s):
PB301603.JPG
PC101689.JPG
Peter B.
In Sunny Florida most of the time.
Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
thanks 7 users liked this useful post by mb300e4m
Offline jvuye  
#9 Posted : 27 November 2013 23:08:59(UTC)
jvuye

Belgium   
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC)
Posts: 2,883
Location: South Western France
Smart trick!
I'll take it as an "advanced payment" for the ROXY BLS Ae 6/8 repair recipe!
Cheers
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline mb300e4m  
#10 Posted : 28 November 2013 00:04:21(UTC)
mb300e4m


Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC)
Posts: 432
Location: Florida
Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Smart trick!
I'll take it as an "advanced payment" for the ROXY BLS Ae 6/8 repair recipe!
Cheers


Your are most welcome Jacques. I have attached a couple of pictures of the "Tool". The BLS is lurking in the background.
mb300e4m attached the following image(s):
PB273758.JPG
PB273764.JPG
Peter B.
In Sunny Florida most of the time.
Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
thanks 2 users liked this useful post by mb300e4m
Offline jvuye  
#11 Posted : 28 November 2013 09:35:37(UTC)
jvuye

Belgium   
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC)
Posts: 2,883
Location: South Western France
Cool!
Thanks
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline Webmaster  
#12 Posted : 07 December 2013 20:50:17(UTC)
Webmaster


Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC)
Posts: 11,165
This is indeed "tampon printing" using the same principle as in the mrr factories...

Excellent tip!!!

Could probably also work well with erasers only as well... Or any dense & slighly flexible foam/rubber product with no large surface pores...
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Old Chinese Proverb]
thanks 2 users liked this useful post by Webmaster
Offline mb300e4m  
#13 Posted : 07 December 2013 21:22:43(UTC)
mb300e4m


Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC)
Posts: 432
Location: Florida
Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
This is indeed "tampon printing" using the same principle as in the mrr factories...

Excellent tip!!!

Could probably also work well with erasers only as well... Or any dense & slighly flexible foam/rubber product with no large surface pores...


Agreed, pink or the white drafting type erasers work well too; the type used for Mylar especially when working with larger scales such as 0 or 1 gauge. I like the pencil type for H0, as it gives one excellent control. Just like when handwriting, or as we used to called it when much much younger, Joined-Up-Writing.

When using the larger types for larger scales, one would need to make a holder or handle of some sort to ensure control and that the surface contacts the raised lettering all at the same time.

Peter B.
Peter B.
In Sunny Florida most of the time.
Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
Offline Webmaster  
#14 Posted : 07 December 2013 21:48:15(UTC)
Webmaster


Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC)
Posts: 11,165
One crazy idea that came into my head while reading the tip (in case pencils are not found) was to use door/window isolation foam strip tape pieces on a piece of Lego or such... BigGrin
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Old Chinese Proverb]
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by Webmaster
Offline mb300e4m  
#15 Posted : 07 December 2013 23:00:52(UTC)
mb300e4m


Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC)
Posts: 432
Location: Florida
Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
One crazy idea that came into my head while reading the tip (in case pencils are not found) was to use door/window isolation foam strip tape pieces on a piece of Lego or such... BigGrin


The foam would need to be very firm, otherwise the raised lettering would press into the foam too far and then much more than the lettering would get a coating of paint. Most foam strip tape available here is very soft.

Peter B.
Peter B.
In Sunny Florida most of the time.
Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by mb300e4m
Offline Webmaster  
#16 Posted : 08 December 2013 19:45:36(UTC)
Webmaster


Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC)
Posts: 11,165
I'll just have to try my idea during the winter holiday... BigGrin
Have a couple of old plastic loco shells for testing... Smile
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Old Chinese Proverb]
Offline mb300e4m  
#17 Posted : 08 December 2013 20:41:14(UTC)
mb300e4m


Joined: 07/06/2013(UTC)
Posts: 432
Location: Florida
Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
I'll just have to try my idea during the winter holiday... BigGrin
Have a couple of old plastic loco shells for testing... Smile


Sounds like a plan, I am curious to know how you make out. The more methods we know about that work, the more options members will have to meet their needs.

Peter B.
Peter B.
In Sunny Florida most of the time.
Marklin, Trix Express, Trix Twin, Fleischmann, Liliput, Hornby Dublo, and Others, 2 & 3 Rail, AC, DC and Digital, Course Scale Wheels & Fine, 1935 to 1960s usually.
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by mb300e4m
Users browsing this topic
Guest
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

| Powered by YAF.NET | YAF.NET © 2003-2025, Yet Another Forum.NET
This page was generated in 0.630 seconds.