Hi,

I found myself information from Svein´s (intruder) website:

4242 baggage car has road number 21402 and baggage car from 29660 starter set has road number 21401. I don´t know if there is other differences or not except couplers from 4242.1 vs. 29660?

4243 passenger car has road number 19926 and two passenger cars from 29660 starter set has road numbers 19923 and 19925. I don´t know if there is other differences or not except couplers from 4243.1 vs. 29660?

All baggage cars have the same lenght 22,0 cm and passenger cars 23,0 cm.

Regards,
Janne

Thanks Markus!

It must be a "super rare" collectors item when it has fallen down before photographing . Maybe Koll's list it as 4243.1F and price is 300 euro

I just got home and now I have two 4242.2 and four 4243.1 . Those 29660 cars are also worth buying and I will maybe buy two sets of them (total of 6 cars) and mix the cars to have two similar trains and more variety in road numbers per train.

Cheers,
Janne

Unfortunately I do not have the 4242 and 423 second edition, so I cannot compare them with the ones in the 29660 starter set.

From photos they seem to be rather identical, except for the number.

4242-1, Relex couplers, no. 21402, bogies type 11-a, bellows 3 mm long
3242-2, close couplers, no. 21402, , bogies type 11-b, Bellows 6 mm long

4243-1 , Relex couplers, no. 19926, bogies type 11-a, bellows 3 mm long
3243-2, close couplers, no. 19926, , bogies type 11-b, bellows 6 mm long

29660-2

close couplers, no. 19923, bogies type ??, bellows 7 mm long (measured by me, below the end window)


29660-3

close couplers, no. 19925, bogies type ??, bellows 7 mm long (measured by me, below the end window)

To compare:

4243-1, Relex couplers, no. 19926, bogies type 11-a, bellows 3 mm long

I have installed close couplers Märklin 7205 and a long bellow in one end







29660-4

close couplers, no. 21401, bogies type ??, bellows 7 mm long (measured by me, below the end window)

4242-1, Relex couplers, no. 21402, bogies type 11-a, bellows 3 mm long

have installed close couplers Märklin 7205 and a long bellow in one end

Please note that the NSB F1 model from Märklin has different window arrangement and sign text on the two sides.

Edited by user 04 December 2013 22:44:39(UTC)  | Reason: Added more information

Hi,

Thanks for pictures of 29660. The baggage car has a yellow stripe which goes all the way also over the doors. Older version has doors without this stripe going over them. Also all 29660 has small details in silver and older versions does not have these details in silver colour, but instead in brown colour.


I think that it is good there is some easily seen visible differencies between 29660 and 4242/4243. 29660 are worth to buy to get a little variation to the trains. I think I will buy also two 29660 sets (6 cars) as they look also so beautiful! Norway has beautiful Märklin models and the Norwegian nature is also very beautiful. Nice country Svein!

Cheers,
Janne

More photos...

4242:





4243:





I'm sorry that my photos are not very good...

Cheers,
Janne