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Janne75		#1 Posted : 31 October 2013 16:17:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,552 Location: Finland		Hello, Could someone help to translate this text from German to English, as Google Translator does not translate it right. Many thanks from help! : HR 800 N.1 (1947-1949) Vorlaufachsen mit Speichenrädern (6 Speichen). Vorbildgerechte und rot ausgelegte Gestänge - Schieberschubstange und Lenkerstange aus Draht. Bürsten mit Klappe abgedeckt, Handschalter seitlich am Kessel, einseitig hoch angeordnetes Schmierloch für die Ankerwelle, Spitzensignal mit Steckbirnen - von innen eingesetzt, Stirnlampen mit Lampenbügeln eingefaßt. Tender: rotes Fahrgestell und schwarzes Gehäuse aus Guß, Gehäuse und Fahrgestell mit einer Schraube befestigt (vordere Stirnwand), eingenieteter Kohle-Einsatz, erhabene Aufschrift "HR 809". Kupplungen: Typ 0 B vorne, Typ 4 B am Tender. Länge 28,8 cm HR 800 N.2 (1949-1950) wie .1, jedoch vorbildgerechte und rot ausgelegte Gestänge - Schieberschubstange und Lenkerstange = flache und angenietete Stanzteile. HR 800 N.3 (1950-1951) wie .2, vorbildgerechte und rot ausgelegte Gestänge, Schieberschubstange und Lenkerstange = flache und angenietete Stanzteile, jedoch Tendergehäuse und Fahrgestell mit 4 Schrauben an der Unterseite verbunden, erhabene Aufschrift "809". Kupplungen: Typ 0 B vorne, Typ 5 A am Tender HR 800 N.4 (1951-1952) wie .3, jedoch Bürstenöffnung geschlossen, beidseitig Schmierloch für die Ankerwelle. Spitzensignal: Steckbirnen im Lampenhalter und von außen eingesetzt - dadurch geänderte Lampenbügel-Befestigung HR 800 N.5 (1952) wie .3, Bürstenöffnung geschlossen, jedoch Tendergehäuse aus Kunststoff Lokshow.de: HR 800 N Märklin Dampflokomotive mit Schlepptender, Aufbau aus Zinkdruckguss, aufgesetzte Windleitbleche aus Blech, Guss-Tender HR 800 N Märklin Dampflokomotive mit Schlepptender Kategorie > Hersteller Märklin Artikelnummer HR 800 N Farbe schwarz Länge 288 mm Achsen 2C1 Beleuchtung Vorne Zweilicht Spitzensignale Bauzeit: 1947 - 1949, Bürstenkammer mit Blechkappe, Tender-Aufschrift HR 809, Guss-Kohleeinsatz, Tenderaufbau mit einer grossen Schraube von der Lokseite angeschraubt, Schleifer 1940 Bauzeit: 1950, Tender-Aufschrift 809, echter Steinkohle-Einsatz, Tenderaufbau mit 2 Schrauben von unten und 1 Schraube von hinten angeschraubt, Schleifer 1947 Bauzeit: 1951 - 1953, Bürstenkammer geschlossen Bauzeit: 1954, Kunststofftender (von G 800) Like you can see, there are some differencies from different sources. Best regards, Janne
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Markus Schild		#2 Posted : 31 October 2013 21:44:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Janne, I'm not a native speaker, so you must to wait for somebody else to translate your text. But I want to add that both sources are going wrong: There is no 1947 version of the HR800N. And I'm doubt if any were delivered even in 1948. The text (July 1948) says, that the locomotives HR800N, SK800N and MS800 are not available until further notice. Instead the factory delivers the pre-war versions. Also the TW800N is announced for immediate delivery. Regards Markus
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#3 Posted : 31 October 2013 22:09:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Markus is very correct about the HR 800 N. To my knowledge, these are the earliest print codes for the HR 800 N as seen on original boxes stamped "HR 800 N" on the label: 11, 1948 7, 1949 12, 1949 Best regards, Paul
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Janne75		#4 Posted : 01 November 2013 21:27:50(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/03/2012(UTC) Posts: 2,552 Location: Finland		Markus and Paul, Thanks from information. Maybe version 1947-1949 means that it was already ready to be produced (designed ready), but production actually started a bit later? What kind of current pick-up shoe is version 1940? Is it the round type which is also in very early CCS 800 Crocodile? Version 1947 must be the "double spoon" type. This type I have seen in many pictures of older HR 800 N, but what kind of pick-up shoe is this "schleifer 1940"? Best regards, Janne
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Markus Schild		#5 Posted : 01 November 2013 22:48:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Janne, it is easiest to look at pictures. Both are double-spoon types, but they differ in some details: 1940-type: http://www.ritter-restau...=1.3.10;artID=2486;typ=1 early post-war type: http://www.ritter-restau...y=1.3.4;artID=2478;typ=1 Regards Markus
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CCS800KrokHunter3		#6 Posted : 01 November 2013 23:46:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605		Yes, many refer to those as the flat-tongue versus spoon pickups. Also a note of difference is that in 1945/46 many of the spoons of the spoon pickups were a copper brown color. Many of these locos with the copper brown spoons are of the PX variant like the SK and RS which were very common as sets sold to soldiers after WWII. Paul
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