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Offline steventrain  
#1 Posted : 26 October 2013 13:13:43(UTC)
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There is two issue in the fall new item brochure.

1- 37423 Koploper on page 5 showing mfx but Marklin change and will be a mfx+ (cab control).

2- 76496 Colour light signal page 12, you may note two white light is missing.

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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 26 October 2013 14:17:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
2- 76496 Colour light signal page 12, you may note two white light is missing.
Copy'n'paste error when they photoshopped the images (signal 76494 includes the two white lights). Text says the 76496 can show the four states a 76494 can show, so I'd presume the signal has the two white lights (but the detail images do not show them - but there are only three detail images for three states).
An exit signal without the two white lights would be a bad idea.
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Offline Mike M  
#3 Posted : 26 October 2013 16:40:44(UTC)
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Why are these new signals being shown in the 2013 Fall brochure? According to Marklin they are not being released until December 2014.
Can anybody elaborate on this,because I am looking to purchase signals for my layout. Are the Viessmann signals adequate?

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Offline Western Pacific  
#4 Posted : 26 October 2013 17:59:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Why are these new signals being shown in the 2013 Fall brochure? According to Marklin they are not being released until December 2014.
Can anybody elaborate on this,because I am looking to purchase signals for my layout. Are the Viessmann signals adequate?

Cheers Mike


My guess is that for people, like yourself, who are in the process of deciding on which signals to buy, Märklin hopes that they would wait until the Märklin ones are available and not go for for instance Viessmann.
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Offline Mike M  
#5 Posted : 26 October 2013 19:06:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Western Pacific Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Why are these new signals being shown in the 2013 Fall brochure? According to Marklin they are not being released until December 2014.
Can anybody elaborate on this,because I am looking to purchase signals for my layout. Are the Viessmann signals adequate?

Cheers Mike


My guess is that for people, like yourself, who are in the process of deciding on which signals to buy, Märklin hopes that they would wait until the Märklin ones are available and not go for for instance Viessmann.


I agree that's probably the logic. However it does nothing for customer loyalty,when you have the marklin website plus many other on line retailers advertising fall 2013 release of these particular signals.When in fact it will be Dec. 2014 before we will see them.

Why not put out a bulletin stating technical difficulties have delayed the product.
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 26 October 2013 19:41:21(UTC)
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Why not put out a bulletin stating technical difficulties have delayed the product.
Was it delayed? Are there difficulties?
They publish MHI exclusive items four times a year - and they always include some generally available items.

The Trix fall new items brochure also shows items coming Q4/14 or even Q1/15.

Announcing early may prevent people from buying from a competitor.
The new signals support mfx - so they also have to make an update for the CS2/MS2 to support them.
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#7 Posted : 26 October 2013 20:47:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mike M Go to Quoted Post
Why are these new signals being shown in the 2013 Fall brochure? According to Marklin they are not being released until December 2014.

Cheers Mike


All Colour loghts signals due delivery to dealers Q1/2014.
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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 26 October 2013 22:46:50(UTC)
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Lokshop.de expects delivery of the new lights signals in Q1/2014. Lokmuseum.de expects them 11/2014.
Maybe we should wait till they appear on the Planned Delivery Dates list.
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Offline clapcott  
#9 Posted : 26 October 2013 23:38:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Announcing early may prevent people from buying from a competitor.

Announcing too early and with a poor history of delays past the original announced date only makes people jump to an alternative quicker

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The new signals support mfx -

I wish this statement would not get regurgitated without some substance as to what it actually means.

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so they also have to make an update for the CS2/MS2 to support them.

This is an assumption.
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Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 27 October 2013 00:20:36(UTC)
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so they also have to make an update for the CS2/MS2 to support them.
This is an assumption.
Yes. But the new signals are announced with mfx support - and IMHO the CS2 should support those signals right from the start. Would be a bad customer experience when people have to run the new signals with MM protocol and re-configure them when the CS2 finally supports mfx for signals.
They do not say what advantages mfx will bring for signals. Maybe "automatic registration"? Programming on the main?

IMHO it's not bad to announce a delivery date 12 months in the future if that date can be kept. Postponing a few months and then again a few months and another few months and again and again also gives a bad experience.

Announcing items twelve months ahead is not generally bad. But it would be nice if they would disclose some facts to convince people the new stuff will be worth waiting for.
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Offline Mike M  
#11 Posted : 27 October 2013 00:36:46(UTC)
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Ok So the date I got from Markus Schurr at Marklin is release of the signals is Dec.2014.

There has been 3 different dates thrown out there so far. The Marklin website states Dec.2013 release.I agree it would be nice for the company to keep the website up to date and also explain to the customer why the delay and the advatages to these signals et. etc. Otherwise what ends up happening people will just go th the competion.
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#12 Posted : 27 October 2013 01:36:37(UTC)
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I've already 'gone' to the competition!
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Offline Goofy  
#13 Posted : 27 October 2013 08:53:49(UTC)
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I have just been at Marklins homepage and it stands yellow light.
It don´t confirm when date is done by delivery signals.
But it seems christmas 2013 or Q1/2014.
Depends how fast crews are working by done finish with the signals.
It´s quiet expensive...79,99 euro for head signal!
It´s cheaper to buy Viessmanns multiplex signals.
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Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 27 October 2013 10:55:43(UTC)
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I have just been at Marklins homepage and it stands yellow light.
It shows red and yellow, meaning not shipped to the dealers yet. This traffic light gives no hint when the items will be shipped.

Several dealers do not list the signals yet. I think they would list them if delivery was expected for Q4/13 or Q1/14.
According to the Planned Delivery Dates list they will come 2014 (so forget about Q4/13), but the list doesn't indicate the quarter yet. The December list will show whether they can be expected in Q1/14. Otherwise the expected quarter will show up in the January list.
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Offline Goofy  
#15 Posted : 29 October 2013 21:57:57(UTC)
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It did show yellow light when i was in the Marklins homepage.
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