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Hi all, Here's something a little different to look over. Hornby Dublo 1954 Tinplate 3 Rail Tank Goods Set EDG17...OO gauge. Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.usEdited by user 21 August 2013 08:45:49(UTC)
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom
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Very nice set, Ian.
Wrenn take over the Hornby dublo, The tooling for tank loco have been damage at wrenn factory in 1988. |
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy. |
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Hi Stephen, Thanks. Ian.
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Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe
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Nice set, Ian.
I used to have lots of Dublo 3-rail track which I used on my Marklin carpet layouts when I was a child. I was given a whole bunch of track by a neighbour who no longer wanted it. He also gave me a brake van very similar to the one in your set. All my dublo stuff was disposed of in a house move many years ago.
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Hi Ray, Thanks. The set is complete, the only thing I don't have is a transformer, I think they run on 12 volts. Ian.
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Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 6,764 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Hi Ian,
Nice set. I can confirm that they run on 12v DC, so any standard 2 rail controller will run that train.
I have quite a bit of Hornby Dublo and there are a few things that have exercised my mind in recent times, regarding the track compatibility with Marklin.
1. The Hornby Dublo 3 rail turntables (which are turned manually) are available quite cheap on eBay, and I see no reason why they cannot be used for Marklin trains. 2. Hornby Dublo track has the continuous 3rd rail, and should be OK for any old Marklin with either the spoon or slider pick-up. I don't know however, if the points would be compatible with Marklin wheels.
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HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge. |
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The loco in this set is the very first EDL17 0-6-2T loco made in BR livery, superseding the 4 pre nationalisation models, EDL7. The use of gloss black paint and the 3/4 inch course worm 12:1 type armature are its distinuishing marks. This loco was superseded in late 1954 by the matt finish version with a fine 3/4 inch worm armature 16:1.
Wrenn did use the Dublo 0-6-2T tooling, however only the body was used. The chassis of the Wrenn 0-6-2T used a modified Dublo 0-6-0T chassis (1/2 inch motor). Wrenn diecasting was done by outside contract and it is believed the 0-6-2T tooling was either broken or lost by the contractor in 1988. It is not know whether it was the chassis or body which when missing.
Cheers Bryan
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Hi Kimball, Thanks for the information. Ian.
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Hi Bryan, Thanks, it's great to get more information about the Set. Would 1954 be the first year that Set was made. Ian.
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Joined: 08/09/2010(UTC) Posts: 214 Location: Bowral, NSW, Australia
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Hi Ian
If you notice the printing code of the transformer instructions, the code is 16/353/25. The 16/353 means 16/03/1953, the print date. The 25 equates to the number of thousands printed. The set was produced from memory from late 1953 to late 1954. From this print date of the transformer presuming it was produced at the same time, I would say the set was late 1953. With the introduction of the 2-6-4T EDL18 in late 1954, Dublo went for a matt finish paintwork, a different armature mentioned before, courser axle splines etc etc across all four locos in production then including the 0-6-2T.
Cheers Bryan
PS The set lid has the same picture as the pre-nationalisation sets, which confirms its an early version. Note the prewar wooden Dublo buildings in the picture. These buildings were never issued postwar.
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow 
... I don't know however, if the points would be compatible with Marklin wheels.
regards Kimball
Hi Kimball, The Dublo track I had included four turnouts (3 left and 1 right, IIRC). I used them for my Marklin trains and don't remember any problems, though at the time I only had my Br89s and four axle wagons, so I can't be definite on this. One problem which I do remember is that the points were not sprung, so that if I tried to run a train against the direction they were set I would certainly get a derailment. |
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Hi Bryan, Thanks very much for your help with this, great information on the Set. Ian.
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Hi Ray,
I've tried moving Märklin wagons on the Hornby Track, and they appear to sit on it well.
Ian.
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That's brought back memories from my childhood! |
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Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Originally Posted by: RayF  That's brought back memories from my childhood! Hi Ray, Well, it wasn't that long ago, was it. Ian.
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I was also given a box full of Hornby 3-rail stuff a few years ago. A couple of non-working loco's and some badly damaged coaches and wagons with lots of track. I have always wanted to try out the Hornby track with my Marklin M-track (centre stud, not rail) , allows for a massive floor layout :). I got around to doing it about a month ago and I had no problems running a V200, BR50, BR89 and I think I also tried my BR01. That being said though, I did not use any of the Hornby points or crossings. Next floor layout test... PS Hornby 3-rail spares etc. http://mtrains.co.uk/ (I have not made use of their services)
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Hi Angus, Thanks for the link. Ian.
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Hi all, Photo's of my 1958 "Duchess of Montrose". I bought the Loco from a Mr Church, he bought it in 1958 for 6 shillings....30p in new money or 0.4 Euro's. Ian.  Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us....
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First time i see something like this.Just perfect.  Is it a loco that existed in real life?
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Hi Panayotis, Unstreamlined Coronation Class 46232. BR Green introduced 1951, between 1955 and 1957 all 38 Loco's carried that colour. I hope that's the correct information. Ian.
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I was happy to read about this Hornby Dublo set, I too have a HD set with the Duchess Of Montrose locomotive and coaches, I recently got it serviced with new bushes etc. I have also meshed Marklin M Track and Marklin Solid center Travk with Hornby Dublo Track both my Marklin and Hornby trains run smoothly om this track The Hornby set is 1954/55 and the Marklin HO a year later Any more help or suggestions ,are welcome. Pune India
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Hi all, And a couple of video's.... Ian. ....
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Great to see you enjoying your trains!
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Nice A4 Ian!  |
Ray
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I love the name "Silver King."
-Brandon |
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Hi Alex, Thanks, stops me from doing anything else. Ian.
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Hi Ray, Thanks. The Class A4 is a class of streamlined 4-6-2 steam locomotive designed by Nigel Gresley for the London and North Eastern Railway in 1935. Their streamlined design gave them high-speed capability as well as making them instantly recognisable, and one of the class, 4468 Mallard, holds the world record as the fastest steam locomotive. Thirty-five of the class were built to haul express passenger trains on the East Coast Main Line route from London Kings Cross via York and Newcastle to Edinburgh, Scotland. They remained in service on the East Coast mainline until the early 1960s when they were replaced by Deltic diesel locomotives. Several A4s saw out their remaining days until 1966 in Scotland, particularly on the Aberdeen - Glasgow express trains, for which they were used to improve the timing from 3.5 to 3 hours Ian.
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Hi Brandon, Yes, and came in Matt and Gloss finish... Ian.
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The thing about Hornby Dublo models of this period was, although not up to modern standards in terms of accuracy and detail, they were superbly engineered, thus ensuring operation up to the present, some fifty years after the closing of the Meccano factory. I would rate them as good or better than Marklin of the period. The A4 pacific model originated with the start of the Dublo range and with some modifications, including the removal of the side valances over the wheels and the change to 2-rail, and the demise of Meccano, when the range was passed to G&R Wrenn,was manufactureduntil 1992 when Wrenn stopped trading. A good run for any model. The duchess pacific was planned before the war but did not appear until afterwards. It too survived until the end of Wrenn. Bob M. Edited by user 21 August 2013 22:24:15(UTC)
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Yes Bob, I'd agree about the superb engineering, they even had adjustable end float bearings for the armatures (ankers). They had also sorted out the zinc pest problem when production restarted after the war. And don't forget that before war the A4 was available in clockwork as well as electric. I think you'd have to sell a few of your organs to get a good clockwork one now though  . Paul |
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Quote:I love the name "Silver King." -Brandon There were four A4 class locos with "Silver" in the name and were initially used to haul the Silver Jubilee train. 2509 Silver Link 2510 Quicksilver 2511 Silver King 2512 Silver Fox. (LNER numbers) Source Wikipedia. Incidentally, as I was walking back from my Fathers house on 6th July last I crossed a Field which looks out over the West Coast main Line. I saw some smoke coming closer and an A4 Pacific appeared heading north. I found out later that it was 60009 "Union of South Africa". As a coincidence the spot that I saw it pass was the location of a crash in 1947 involving a streamlined LMS Coronation class " King George V1". Unfortunately six people were killed in this crash. Hope this is of interest. My Hornby A4s are , 60030 Golden Fleece. 2-rail 60022 Mallard. Live steam Regards, Colin.
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Hi All
Hornby Dublo up to around 1961 was state of the art in manufacture and of the highest quality. Their Super Detailed (SD) rolling stock introduced from 1958 was revolutionary and was never surpassed, especially in the UK market until the CAD CAM designed techniques came about with Chinese produced models. However with Dublo, and later WRENN they always retained their diecast chassis for rolling stock which was always above the rest, in terms of running characteristics.
As to whether the Silver King was not of high detail when it was first tooled in 1938, I think it conversely was not. The Dublo Duchess was retooled by Meccano in 1959 to become the City class. This had a SD tender body and was a classic model in 1959. The A4 basically had no cosmetic retooling with the introduction of 2-rail in 1959, presumably and correctly, Meccano felt it was still good by 1959 standards. Just the fact that WRENN were able to continue Dublo production of the A4 from 1966- 92 proves they were good models, especially considering, no development took place.
The actual A4 mech is one of the best model train mechs ever made in my opinion. The armature was held in a diecast rigid chassis which gave a very smooth and free running mech. Top and bottom armature ball bearings, nickel plated brass valve gear, 3-rail DC control and both mechanically and aesthetically good engineering. The best part of the Dublo A4 is, it really looks like a miniature A4, something the new Chinese lack with too fine a detail. On steam locomotives, when a cab step was designed and built, it was done in 2 inch plate steel, no finesse about that. Too much fine model detail gets away from that built to last 100 years over engineered, chunky look. The Dublo A4 model has this look and why it is a classic. Also the Dublo models will be around in 100 years and always sort after.
Cheers Bryan
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Hi all, New arrival for my Hornby Dublo Layout. Ian. ....
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hi
I was raised in birtley co durham which is on the main line edinbrough to London
I spent many hours down by the line I probably seen them all by the time I was 12
A4s were called streaks A3s were called splashes A1s were called shielders
after all the technical info theres a bit of useless info for you
alan plymouth
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Hi Alan,
Thanks, sounds like it was happy days.
All the best.
Ian.
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How long would it take for your loco travelling at 126 miles/h to go around your layout ? |
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Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland
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Hi John,
126mph = 665280 feet/hour = 184.8 feet/second.
Layout is 72 feet = 0.3896 seconds.
The Firebird would travel around the layout in 0.286 seconds.
Ian.
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Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
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Originally Posted by: Ian555  Hi John,
126mph = 665280 feet/hour = 184.8 feet/second.
Layout is 72 feet = 0.3896 seconds.
The Firebird would travel around the layout in 0.286 seconds.
Ian.
Ian, What are you waiting for, this is for the Guinness book of records. |
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Hi all, Another video. Ian. ....
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Hi Ian, loved the video! I have always liked B/W. The United Kingdom rattle is excellent too. As good as the German rattle! I really like those "S" curves that you put into the layout. They make the running more exciting, I think. Cheers,Peter
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Hi Peter, Thanks very much. The Hornby Dublo 3 rail Loco's are very heavy and when running on tinplate track......well what can I say. All the best. Ian.
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