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Offline cookee_nz  
#1 Posted : 16 April 2013 23:54:08(UTC)
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Attached for those interest are images of the brochure for the SVT 137 "Hamburg Design" Railcar one time item 37770 from 2004. The leaflet adds significantly to the info from the 2005 catalogue (page 134)

Apologies for the somewhat blurry state of the images - I had to photograph it because it's quite large (approx. A1 size) scanning would require several refolds of it and a high risk of damage. I am still practicing with photographing items like this to get the best light, resolution, skew etc but hopefully some will find it interesting.

The poster-design leaflets are good in some respects, particularly if you want to mount it as a poster, but to have to fold it out to read or refer to is a bit of a pain.

Hope it's interesting for some

Edited by user 20 April 2013 22:58:48(UTC)  | Reason: Typo - added "S"

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Offline xxup  
#2 Posted : 17 April 2013 06:23:48(UTC)
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Miss 13 and I have this poster on the wall of the Train room.. It took us five or six years to find the real thing - and it runs beautifully on the layout.. Cool
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Offline 3rail4life  
#3 Posted : 17 April 2013 07:29:47(UTC)
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Nice brochure cookee, I had not seen it before. Found this one on eBay earlier in the year, took it with us when we visited member Chris6382chris. It looked great on Chris's awesome layout.

37772

SVT 137


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Offline kimballthurlow  
#4 Posted : 18 April 2013 00:08:59(UTC)
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Hi,
Thanks Steve, I wouldn't mind one of those posters.

I have one of the 3777* series, and I agree with all here, it is an awesome bit of modelling from Marklin.

regards
Kimball
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 18 April 2013 07:29:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 3rail4life Go to Quoted Post
Found this one on eBay earlier in the year, took it with us when we visited member Chris6382chris. It looked great on Chris's awesome layout.


Yep, I've got 37772 as well, it's one of my favourite railcars. I also recently got the 1 Gauge version as well.

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Offline cookee_nz  
#6 Posted : 18 April 2013 07:35:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi,
Thanks Steve, I wouldn't mind one of those posters.

I have one of the 3777* series, and I agree with all here, it is an awesome bit of modelling from Marklin.

regards
Kimball


Hi Kimball,

That's why whenever I am at a dealer or a trade show where brochures and leaflets are available, especially for free, I grab what I can. If possible two of each, one to keep and one just in case - but don't want to be greedy.

I've also had Marklin friends travel to Germany and this sort of thing is very freely available at the trade shows, dealers etc and sometimes I would be given a pile of material on their return.

Right now I'm having a purge of my duplicates and flicking off what I can, but sadly this is not one that I have two of, otherwise you'd be welcome to it.

If I was still in Melbourne where I had access to the HP Designjets with wide-format Scanner I could scan it easily and then you could print your own

Cheers

Steve
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Offline 3rail4life  
#7 Posted : 18 April 2013 18:55:06(UTC)
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Yep, I've got 37772 as well, it's one of my favourite railcars. I also recently got the 1 Gauge version as well.




Nice! ThumpUp ThumpUp Drool


Offline steventrain  
#8 Posted : 18 April 2013 21:04:08(UTC)
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I have 37770 brochure as same your.

I have both 37770 and 37772.


Pictures of 37770.

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Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 18 April 2013 21:07:46(UTC)
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Pictures of 37772.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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Offline Andrey  
#10 Posted : 19 April 2013 07:31:12(UTC)
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Very useful info in the brochure. ThumpUp

And here is my 37774.

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Offline clapcott  
#11 Posted : 20 April 2013 10:42:07(UTC)
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Hi Steve,

I query your use of "VT 137" instead of "SVT 137" - which is the model portrayed in the brochure.
I can see that the brochure does use the VT in one place but that refers to an interim development stage.

Conversely, I acknowledge the DRG SVT137 became DB VT04s but would like to know when/how they transitioned to SVT04s.
Even the Cover of the Marklin Documentation for the 37772/37774 states "Modell des VT 04.5"

What gives?
Peter
Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 20 April 2013 21:16:57(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Conversely, I acknowledge the DRG SVT137 became DB VT04s but would like to know when/how they transitioned to SVT04s.
Märklin made two models marked as "SVT 04 501" without DB sign - one blue/grey, one red.
Kato made two models marked as "VT 04 501", both red, one with DB sign.

Assuming that all four models are prototypically correct, it seems that SVT was no longer used after some point in time.

Regards
Tom
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Offline clapcott  
#13 Posted : 20 April 2013 23:25:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Conversely, I acknowledge the DRG SVT137 became DB VT04s but would like to know when/how they transitioned to SVT04s.
Märklin made two models marked as "SVT 04 501" without DB sign - one blue/grey, one red.
Kato made two models marked as "VT 04 501", both red, one with DB sign.

Assuming that all four models are prototypically correct, it seems that SVT was no longer used after some point in time.



My Correction

... transitioned to SVT04s.
Should be
... transitioned FROM SVT04s.

However the questions remain
.. which clasification changes caused the downgrading (removal of the schell)
.. the 501 was different because it was upgraded with hydraulic transmission. Before that it was SVT04 105 (i.e. SVT137 to DB initially changed to SVT04 1xx range for a short period of time). So when exactly did this loco run as SVT04 501 and not SVT04 105 or VT04 501? (and did it really run as this rouge SVT04 501 in both liveries depicted by Märklin?)

Peter
Offline cookee_nz  
#14 Posted : 20 April 2013 23:26:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Hi Steve,

I query your use of "VT 137" instead of "SVT 137" - which is the model portrayed in the brochure.
I can see that the brochure does use the VT in one place but that refers to an interim development stage.

Conversely, I acknowledge the DRG SVT137 became DB VT04s but would like to know when/how they transitioned to SVT04s.
Even the Cover of the Marklin Documentation for the 37772/37774 states "Modell des VT 04.5"

What gives?


Error on my part. When I composed the thread I must have had the prototype VT 877 in my mind. But here is my interpretation of what the brochure is telling us;

The VT 877 "Flying Hamburger" was the first of this style to build on the experiences from the Rail Zeppelin.

Then came the VT 137 "Hamburg Design", which I have to assume was initially combustion-powered like the VT 877.

Accordingly, the SVT 137 classifies Electric Traction, powered, (presumably) from a combustion engine, required because of the lack of electrically powered lines at the time.

My understanding is....
"S" simply means 'Strom" (current, electric power etc) ?
"V" = Verbrennung / Combustion (Diesel or Petrol)
"T" = Triebkraft" / Motive Power ?

This might not be 100% correct but hopefully I'm not too far off??

Clear as mud??

Cheers

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Offline H0  
#15 Posted : 21 April 2013 07:54:25(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Accordingly, the SVT 137 classifies Electric Traction, powered, (presumably) from a combustion engine, required because of the lack of electrically powered lines at the time.
"SVT 137" hardly classifies anything as rail cars were treated like coaches and were given numbers in the 137xxx range as they came.

SVT stands for "Schnellverbrennungstriebwagen" (Schnell = fast, Verbrennungstriebwagen = rail car with combustion engine).

"SVT 137" included rail cars with two, three, and four units and both diesel-electrics and diesel-hydraulics.
Same class didn't even get consecutive numbers.

SVT 877 was the prototype, initially without automatic couplers and always running alone. Bauart Hamburg was designed for multi-unit operation from the start.

In post-war Germany, high-speed rail lines were low priority - and in the '50s new rail cars were built (VT 08.5, VT 11.5 used in the TEE network) so the pre-war "SVT" were no longer state of the art and electric locos were in the focus of high-speed development.

A diesel rail car with a maximum speed of 160 km/h (100 mph) was fast in the steam age. But with E 10 (150 km/h) and E 10.12 (160 km/h) there were new stars (used in the TEE network).
Regards
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Offline cookee_nz  
#16 Posted : 21 April 2013 09:10:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Accordingly, the SVT 137 classifies Electric Traction, powered, (presumably) from a combustion engine, required because of the lack of electrically powered lines at the time.
"SVT 137" hardly classifies anything as rail cars were treated like coaches and were given numbers in the 137xxx range as they came.

SVT stands for "Schnellverbrennungstriebwagen" (Schnell = fast, Verbrennungstriebwagen = rail car with combustion engine).

"SVT 137" included rail cars with two, three, and four units and both diesel-electrics and diesel-hydraulics.
Same class didn't even get consecutive numbers.

SVT 877 was the prototype, initially without automatic couplers and always running alone. Bauart Hamburg was designed for multi-unit operation from the start.

In post-war Germany, high-speed rail lines were low priority - and in the '50s new rail cars were built (VT 08.5, VT 11.5 used in the TEE network) so the pre-war "SVT" were no longer state of the art and electric locos were in the focus of high-speed development.

A diesel rail car with a maximum speed of 160 km/h (100 mph) was fast in the steam age. But with E 10 (150 km/h) and E 10.12 (160 km/h) there were new stars (used in the TEE network).


Thanks for the clarification Tom, I can't say I haven't learned something new here.

Got it mostly all wrong but hey what the heck, they are only trains. Blushing
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Offline jandejager  
#17 Posted : 22 April 2013 15:39:07(UTC)
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Thanks for posting that brochure, very interesting.
Beautiful also in DB Red and Blue.

Mine is the TRIX 22010 SVT137.
Livery is quite similar pattern as the Blue one.

Runs very smooth and is quite heavy (all metal).
Decoder lacks the engine sound however.

jandejager attached the following image(s):
SVT137.jpg
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Offline steventrain  
#18 Posted : 23 April 2013 11:59:54(UTC)
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How many Prototype SVT 137 was made?

I guess total 33 made?
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Offline H0  
#19 Posted : 23 April 2013 14:12:40(UTC)
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How many Prototype SVT 137 was made?
There were 13 of "Bauart Hamburg": SVT 137 149–152, 224–232

With the "brothers" of Bauart Leipzig, Bauart Köln, Bauart Berlin you get a total of 33.

Plus the "Flying Hamburger" SVT 877 makes 34.

There also was SVT 137 155 - somewhat the prototype of post-war VT 10.5 and VT 11.5.
Regards
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Offline steventrain  
#20 Posted : 28 April 2013 14:12:50(UTC)
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Marklin also two production special item of SVT 137 .

37771 in silver livery (2004 -total about 3,000 set).
37773 same as 37770 but in weathered edition (2006 - total about 3,000 set).

Both not in the marklin database.
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Offline cookee_nz  
#21 Posted : 28 April 2013 20:25:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Marklin also two production special item of SVT 137 .

37771 in silver livery (2004 -total about 3,000 set).
37773 same as 37770 but in weathered edition (2006 - total about 3,000 set).

Both not in the marklin database.


Thanks Steven, as shown here.....

http://www.modellbahn.com/SVT.Railcars.html

Cheers

Steve
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Offline Loadmaster  
#22 Posted : 29 April 2013 04:04:18(UTC)
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I have the blue, red & purple editions in Z scale. I like the 1 scale edition.
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