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Nielsenr		#1 Posted : 17 February 2013 01:32:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Hi all!! I received a phone call from a MRR dealer in Miami this morning that my MTH UP GP35 3 Rail was in!! A few moments later a friend who also ordered one called me and said "let's go get them"!!! I will probably have more to say after playing around for a while but here are my initial impression: The enclosed manual sucks!! Tells you basically nothing … They direct you to go to the MTH website, do a product search to find your product, go to the product page and download the specific manual. THERE ARE NO MANUALS FOR PROTSOUND 3E+ LOCOS!!!! I eventually downloaded a manual for the 2 rail version. Of course, this manual says nothing about the 3 rail version. The first thing I checked was to see if there was continuity between the wheels on opposite sides of the loco. There is … good … They say there is a switch to choose between the DCS (MTH protocol) and DCC protocols. They say it won’t harm anything if the switch is in the wrong position, it just won’t run. And it is not clear which way the switch needs to be for DCS or DCC. So I put it on the track and turn on my CS2. I get a low “buzzing” sound from the loco and then my CS2 detects a short … not good … so I move the switch to the other position and turn the CS 2 on again … no “buzzing” from the loco … so far so good … I then defined the loco manually as a Marklin Motorola loco in the CS2. Factory default is address 3. Lo and behold, the loco runs … but only four functions are listed … F3 appears to turn sound on … The loco takes R1 curves well … quiet running … nice running sounds ... So I then decided to run the loco as a DCC loco … the CS2 wouldn’t let me change the protocol, so I had to delete the loco and start over again. After re-entering the loco I then tried to run it … nothing … fortunately I remembered I may have turned off DCC on the CS2 in the past, so I found the screen that does that and put the CS2 in “Auto”. I turned the speed control and it took off … I think that 12 functions showed up. F3 turned the sound on … it runs well even at slow speeds. I believe there are 28 functions available. Here are some photos: I forgot to take a photo from the bottom showing the sliders. I will post one later in an update. This loco lists for US$300 and I bought it for US$240, so far, I believe it is a very good deal. I did not try to run the loco as a mfx loco. I had it connected for a few moments and the mfx logo never showed up. Nowhere in MTH literature did they use the mfx trademark, so I assume mfx won’t function, but I will try it later and see. I really don't believe it is mfx compatible. I will have to read through the manual a bit more. I believe that through the CVs for the loco I can change what the function buttons do. I’ll have a video on YouTube in the next day or two. I will also add any more impressions. That’s it for now … it is getting late and I need to get something for dinner ... Robert

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nevw		#2 Posted : 17 February 2013 03:36:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Robert, You will never get MFX on that decoder. Has to be ESU V4 or Marklin MFX to have it. Thanks for the Heads up for the info. as far as functions go I belive that thay are only available if you can run DCS (MTH DCC System). May be able to get more with the PROTO+ Still waiting. the Texas dealer may be on the bottom of the shipping list. Nev
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Nielsenr		#3 Posted : 17 February 2013 04:58:34(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Nev, From everything I read from MTH, I did not expect the locos to be mfx compatible. I am surprised it has something fx compatible. The decoders appear to be MTH's own boards, since the still do MTH's DCS protocol. The other functions appear to be available in DCC mode. Since you are waiting for yours to arrive, you might want to check out the manual for the 2 rail versions: http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/...struction/80dl14675i.pdf I have some more testing to do and want to do a video. My floor module layout has been partially disconnected (I had to pick some of it up for the holidays so my Dad wouldn't trip on it) and it won't go back together until I do some modifications. So I have just set up a small oval on my dining room table. I want to try and add some turnouts so I can test how the loco handles them. More info to come ... Robert

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nevw		#4 Posted : 17 February 2013 07:25:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Robert, from the MTH Web site re the Proto sound + Has the same features as proto-sound on the 2 rail models: Proto-Sound 3E+ System Bookmark and Share See video the Video Link to the page for reference http://www.mthtrains.com/news/066 November 2011 - For those who have operated Marklin HO AC 3-rail trains in the past, choosing a Proto-Sound 3E+ equipped model will give you an opportunity to run sound-equipped North American and European prototypes on your railroad with your Marklin DCC command control system. Outfitted with NEM 311 wheels and NEM 365 couplers, each of these engines feature an all-new version of Proto-Sound 3.0, contain a third rail sliding shoe for use with Marklin HO stud rail and can operate on European analog AC power. Like their 3.0 counterparts, Proto-Sound 3E+ locomotives feature full digital sound, speed control, 28 DCC functions, hundreds of DCS sounds and features* and a command control receiver for use with Marklin DCC Motorola 1 and 2 control systems. In addition, these locomotives can operate on DC power in analog mode, feature LED constant voltage lighting and can be upgraded with new sounds and features using the DCS Digital Command System. Update your AC 3-Rail HO empire to today's sophisticated model railroading standards with locomotives equipped with Proto-Sound 3E+ and see why M.T.H. HO Locomotives Do More! * Requires 28-Function DCC Controller ** Requires DCS Digital Command System or DCS Commander
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nevw		#5 Posted : 17 February 2013 07:36:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Robert, this will be of Interest. AC Manual http://www.mthtrains.com.../exploded/80dl12738e.pdf
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H0		#6 Posted : 17 February 2013 08:11:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,446 Location: DE-NW		Hi! Originally Posted by: Nielsenr I think that 12 functions showed up. [...] I believe there are 28 functions available. The CS2 supports 16 functions per DCC loco (you may have to add function symbols to those function keys that show nothing).
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Nielsenr		#7 Posted : 17 February 2013 08:43:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		@Nev. I saw both of those items from your links when I was trying to find an operating manual for 3 rail. @Tom, Yes, I am aware that the CS2 only supports 16 functions. I will try and play around some more tomorrow and see if I can reassign some of the functions and get 16 of them to work. Wait a minute, it is close to 3am ... it is tomorrow ... guess I better go get some sleep!! LOL!! As another point of interest, most of the functions require a double hit to work. I saw a note in the 2 rail operating manual that said since some central stations allow you to set a function as momentary contact or an on/off, they may be adjusted. I know the CS2 allows that, so I will try that too. Robert

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Nielsenr		#8 Posted : 28 February 2013 02:05:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Sorry it has taken so long to post a couple of videos but I have been busy on some other things ... and I am sorry for the quality of these videos, not my best effort ... The first video is the MTH GP35 running with the sound turned off. My little test layout has a couple of standard turnouts and the loco handles them well. I also tried to run the loco at different speeds. It runs very nicely at the slowest speed setting ... The second video has the sound turned on. Again I tried to run the loco at different speeds. I also played a few of the standard sounds ... I found the couplers were skewed upwards a little and needed to adjust them downward ... no big deal ... All in all with what little time I have played with the loco, I am pleased. And the price was right ... Robert

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nevw		#9 Posted : 28 February 2013 06:25:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Great Robert
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LA2019		#10 Posted : 04 March 2013 00:33:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 18/11/2012(UTC) Posts: 355		The engine looks really good and sounds great! Nice one.
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GSRR		#11 Posted : 04 March 2013 01:45:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Robert, Thanks for taking the time to do the review. The MTH UP Challenger is on the wish list. 4-6-6-4 Challenger (Oil Burner) Steam Engine w/Proto-Sound 3E+ Union Pacific (Two-Tone Gray w/Yellow Stripes) http://www.mthtrains.com/content/80-3201-5 along with the Erie Lackawanna GP-35 Diesel with Proto-Sound 3E+ Product Number: 80-2169-5 r/Thomas
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nevw		#12 Posted : 04 March 2013 06:21:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		Originally Posted by: GSRR Robert, Thanks for taking the time to do the review. The MTH UP Challenger is on the wish list. 4-6-6-4 Challenger (Oil Burner) Steam Engine w/Proto-Sound 3E+ Union Pacific (Two-Tone Gray w/Yellow Stripes) http://www.mthtrains.com/content/80-3201-5 along with the Erie Lackawanna GP-35 Diesel with Proto-Sound 3E+ Product Number: 80-2169-5 r/Thomas Looks like they maybe addictive. Nev (waiting impatiently for a delivery)
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Nielsenr		#13 Posted : 04 March 2013 06:45:53(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Thanks Thomas!! That Challenger is on my wish list too. Along with one of their Big Boys, a couple of their Alco PAs, the UP EMD F7 Yellow Warbonnet A/B set, the Santa Fe and Southern Pacific GP35s, and a couple of the SD70ACe locos. But for the moment, they will have to stay on the wish list. Robert


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Nielsenr		#14 Posted : 04 March 2013 07:03:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Nev, Yes, it does look like they may be addictive ... but then, yours should be arriving soon ... Robert


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nevw		#15 Posted : 13 March 2013 10:58:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		In other posts it arrived today. N
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Nielsenr		#16 Posted : 13 March 2013 18:04:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Glad to hear it arrived Nev!! Enjoy it!! Robert


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Mark5		#17 Posted : 13 March 2013 18:37:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 29/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 1,422 Location: Montreal, Canada		Love the horns and bell sounds, Robert! In the video with the sound off, is that the motor sound we hear, or the slider, or both? - Mark
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Nielsenr		#18 Posted : 14 March 2013 03:21:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Mark, It is mostly the motor. I figured people might be interested in how the loco sounded without the sounds to compare with Marklin motors. That's why I did the video without the sound turned on. I don't find it disagreeable ... and I will run it most of the time with the sound on. Thanks for asking ... Robert


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Marius in Africa		#19 Posted : 03 April 2013 18:59:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Hi guys My order arrived today with a UP & New York Central version. Tried them both with the ECoS2 with zero success. After manual programming no motion or sound from either units. Tried the onboard DCC /DCS selector "switch" in both positions. All that i am getting is a faint low buzzing sound for about a second and then the ECoS go into trip mode. The ECoS does start with the auto DCC detect process and then freeze the progress of the process with the green indicator bar at about 25%. Any suggestions? Thanks Marius
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Nielsenr		#20 Posted : 03 April 2013 20:08:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Marius, When I first put mine on the track and applied power, it "buzzed". The loco apparently was shipped with the switch in the DCS position. After changing the switch to DCC it worked fine. I have a CS2 so I had to add the loco manually, telling the CS2 to use DCC and entered the default address. I cannot speak of the ECoS auto DCC detect process. Is there a way to ignore the auto detect and try to add the loco manually?? Robert


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nevw		#21 Posted : 03 April 2013 23:21:05(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,071 Location: Murrumba Downs QLD		YES there is. All I did was move the switch to DCC, Put the loco on the programming track and entered the Loco manually. Used the default address of 3 Put it on the main track and up up and away Turned the throttle and away it went. Now to get noise and Lights you must press F3. and allocate functions manually. Download the 2 rail Manual. the Marklin type manual is not yet available but will be soon It may be stupid but have you got the switch fully into the DCC position?? N PS: I had no problem reading in the decoder but did not like some things (Wrong again as it was Ok). reset to Factory Default and started again.
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river6109		#22 Posted : 04 April 2013 02:27:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,875 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Hi guys My order arrived today with a UP & New York Central version. Tried them both with the ECoS2 with zero success. After manual programming no motion or sound from either units. Tried the onboard DCC /DCS selector "switch" in both positions. All that i am getting is a faint low buzzing sound for about a second and then the ECoS go into trip mode. The ECoS does start with the auto DCC detect process and then freeze the progress of the process with the green indicator bar at about 25%. Any suggestions? Thanks Marius Marius, For some unknown reasons but one can understand why your loco doesn't work. I've found with the ESU (Version 4 decoders) the moment you change any CV's the loco has to be put onto the programming track and it will re-register the loco. Even if the loco has already been registered by the ECoS and you change any CV's it will not recognize the loco on the main track. John
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blid		#23 Posted : 04 April 2013 13:05:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 244 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		Hi all, I found this tread yesterday when I was searching for something else. I was expecting some more response to my “Digital/ProtoSound” but this a better place I think. Haven’t checked “Reviews/Loco Reviews” before and can’t get there with the menu right now. Anyway, I have an 80-2172-5 Union Pacific GP-35 and an 80-2178-5 Santa Fe GP-35. They both have trouble passing any left curved C-track turnout, 24671, when entering from the second leg (“straight”). The Santa Fe just loses power for a while but moves along without the lights and sound. The UP hits something and stops with a dead short. I have also noticed that their fuel tanks (?) are very close to the turnout lanterns. Problems if the lanterns are not properly fitted. Another difference is that the UP doesn’t remember the master volume setting. It is reset to max when a session starts. This is probably caused by a super cap that is installed wrong at the factory according to MTH. They have found this on some UP engines. If the super cap is wrong, new CVS might not get stored! My change of the address (from 3 to 4) was stored . Marius: check if the addresses are still 3. Addictive? Yes! I have ordered a S 3/6, K4s and another Big Boy. I have Marklins H0 and MTH OneGauge. I hope the MTH H0 will have the sounds of the two engines going in and out of sync – just like the OneGauge. It will be interesting to compare the true scale MTH and the Marklin operating on R1. Bjorn
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Nielsenr		#24 Posted : 04 April 2013 20:35:03(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Bjorn, You have given some interesting information. I recently set up a "demo" layout in the garage to show some of my local friends how you can run routes with the CS2. One track I set up with blocks and was running my MTH GP35 as well as some Marklin US locos. Whenever the GP35 had to stop at a block, when it restarted the lights and sound did not come back on. I wonder if this is related to the super cap you are referring to?? As for the curved turnouts, I have not run my GP35 on any of them yet. I don't have any available to try either. I guess it is something to watch out for. I too would like to get a few more of the MTH locos. However, if I read your post correctly and you are getting the MTH Big Boy, I do not believe they recommend using it with R1 curves. My MTH catalog states that it operates on R2 radius curves. Robert


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blid		#25 Posted : 04 April 2013 22:03:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 244 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		If you stop the MTH engine and turn the power off in that block, you have to run "startup" by pressing F3 to get the sound and lights back on. Not so nice if you have signals that turn the Power off when red. About the super cap problem, this is the answer from MTH: “The best method to check the super caps is exactly as you found it. Start up the model, turn the volume down low, wait 10-15 seconds and power it off. If the next time it is powered up the volume is back to the default level (100%).” I know the MTH Big Boy requires minimum R2 radius, but Marklin operates on R1. MTH explanation is that theirs is true to scale and thus can’t operate on R1. Bjorn
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Marius in Africa		#26 Posted : 05 April 2013 15:33:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: blid ..................Marius: check if the addresses are still 3.................... Bjorn Hi Bjorn Thank you for trying to assist me. I have checked the following setting. The signal format of the ECoS, it is set to "broadcast" in DCC, Motorola, Trix and Selectrix. The loco is definitely programmed with address 3 in the ECoS II. I tried the locos (both of them) on the main track and programming track. I have tried both the locos set with the "seletor switch" inside the loco set to DCS or DCC. Absolutely nothing brings these locos to life on my layout. To make sure my controller is OK i have run a Marklin & Brawa loco today and the controller works 100%. I am very disappointed with these locos, to a point where a cancelled my order for MTH item 80-2135-5. No way i am going to throw more money into the water. Regards
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Nielsenr		#27 Posted : 06 April 2013 00:09:26(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		First, I would like to say that the MTH GP35 3 Rail manual is now on-line at the MTH website: http://www.mthtrains.com/sites/...struction/80dl12738i.pdf Unfortunately, I think that it could have been better and in some areas, I think it is completely wrong. But at least it is something. Secondly, to Marius, Since the MTH GP35 is suppose to run on DCS, DCC, DC, and AC, do you have a DC or AC power pack that you could try and see if the motor runs outside of the DCS/DCC world? And another thought is to try and give the decoder a reset according to the manual to bring it back to a factory delivered condition and try to start over again. Maybe something got "messed up" in the decoder. Robert


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blid		#28 Posted : 06 April 2013 10:04:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 244 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		I have also noticed that the manual is online now. I have notified MTH that it doesn’t mention the DCC – DCS switch at all! But there is a picture of it. It also specifies AC for this version, 3E+, of the ProtoSound 3 decoder. Marius: it you haven’t been able to communicate with your Engines, the addresses are still 3, sorry. As I read your description I think they are still in DCS mode. When I first put mine on the programming track the CS2 indicated overload and cut the track power off. Maybe there was a buzzing sound for a second – don’t remember. After finding the hidden location of the switch and removing the fan vent, I just slid the switch. The CS2 had no problem communicating with the manually added engine with DCC address 3. I don’t know anything about the ECoS but shouldn’t it behave like the CS2 and turn the track power off if the engine is in DCS mode. In other words, there should be a difference between the positions. Mine were marked with DCC and DCS. But you can hear a buzzing noise regardles… I assume that your Brawa has a DCC decoder, so your ECoS “talks DCC” with your settings as I understand it. Bjorn
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Marius in Africa		#29 Posted : 06 April 2013 17:36:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: blid I have also noticed that the manual is online now. I have notified MTH that it doesn’t mention the DCC – DCS switch at all! But there is a picture of it. It also specifies AC for this version, 3E+, of the ProtoSound 3 decoder. Marius: it you haven’t been able to communicate with your Engines, the addresses are still 3, sorry. As I read your description I think they are still in DCS mode. When I first put mine on the programming track the CS2 indicated overload and cut the track power off. Maybe there was a buzzing sound for a second – don’t remember. After finding the hidden location of the switch and removing the fan vent, I just slid the switch. The CS2 had no problem communicating with the manually added engine with DCC address 3. I don’t know anything about the ECoS but shouldn’t it behave like the CS2 and turn the track power off if the engine is in DCS mode. In other words, there should be a difference between the positions. Mine were marked with DCC and DCS. But you can hear a buzzing noise regardles… I assume that your Brawa has a DCC decoder, so your ECoS “talks DCC” with your settings as I understand it. Bjorn Hi Bjorn You are correct, the Brawa loco uses DCC, that is why i did the test with it. In pure desperation i stripped the NYC (MTH p/n 80-2163-5) loco today. First thing i learnt is that these locos are not held together by screws, but by plastic "clips", cast as part of the body. These locos were not designed for loco maintenance. Second thing i learnt is that the decoder is "burned". I cannot believe by just putting a loco on the track and applying power the track that a decoder can "burn", these items is suppose to handle 24V AND both DCS & DCC! Nor was i able to tell or check where the "DCC" switch posistion was, as no manual was supplied in the packaging of these locos. But it did come supplied with a large fold out promotional brochure of MTH, this was a great help in knowing how to set up the locos, thank you so much MTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Needless to say i am fininshed with all MTH products, i will never waste money on this brand again. Thank you Bjorn, for trying to assist and the advise. Ragards Marius
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Nielsenr		#30 Posted : 06 April 2013 23:02:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		The manual for the 3 Rail version states on page 5: "Simply set your Engine on the rails, apply any one of these power/signal sources, and move out! The Proto-Sound 3.0E+ system automatically senses the track environment and adapts accordingly. No hidden jumpers, switches, magic wands, or programming required!!!" WRONG!!! Robert

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swanpondwv		#31 Posted : 03 January 2014 19:26:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 44 Location: Shepherdstown, WV		I thought I'd ask this question here also. Has anyone tried to run a MTH 3e+ loco with a MS1? I'm guessing it will work. But before I spend the $ I'd like to know for certain. Bill
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Hackcell		#32 Posted : 30 April 2014 19:53:12(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/11/2013(UTC) Posts: 521		Hello there, Have you tried to change the locomotive default address? Thanks!
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Nielsenr		#33 Posted : 01 May 2014 05:33:17(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Yes, I have changed the address to a DCC long address ... it wasn't easy. I don't know if it is the way that the CS2 deals with DCC or if it is the decoder. I had to try and keep sending the change of CVs to the decoder ... Some times I would even have to start over and try to read the decoder to see what it's address was or if the long address bit was set ... in the end, it finally programmed ... Robert

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Hackcell		#34 Posted : 01 May 2014 05:55:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/11/2013(UTC) Posts: 521		Originally Posted by: Nielsenr Yes, I have changed the address to a DCC long address ... it wasn't easy. I don't know if it is the way that the CS2 deals with DCC or if it is the decoder. I had to try and keep sending the change of CVs to the decoder ... Some times I would even have to start over and try to read the decoder to see what it's address was or if the long address bit was set ... in the end, it finally programmed ... Robert And how about the functions? How many functions were you able to access using the CS2? I'm just two clicks away to purchase one gp-35 like yours :-)
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Nielsenr		#35 Posted : 01 May 2014 15:23:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		I believe there are 16 functions available to use with the CS2, but there are many more available. I have not had the opportunity to try it, but there is a way using CVs to reassign all of the functions to different function numbers. I think there was a link to the online manual listed in the posts before. Check it out ...

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blid		#36 Posted : 01 May 2014 15:39:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 244 Location: Stockholm, Sweden		I don’t need long DCC addresses yet and had no problem setting short DCC addresses for my MTH 3-rail H0 engines. Just to avoid confusion (mine and CS2) I started with address 81 and have 1- 80 for old Marklin decoders. There are more than the 16 functions the CS2 can handle. I have Train Controller and have not bothered to rearrange the functions to the CS2 buttons. Bjorn
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