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Offline river6109  
#1 Posted : 04 April 2013 01:41:18(UTC)
river6109

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Dual Power and intelligent bus technology (ZugBUS):

Do you operate with direct current or alternating current? Thanks to Dual Power, this key question is rendered completely insignificant with immediate effect. The TWINDEXX Vario from BRAWA can be utilised on both two-wire and three-wire tracks. In order to operate on alternating current systems, the supplied clip pick-up shoe is simply assembled in a few easy steps and away you go. The ESU LokPilot Decoder automatically recognises the type of current and switches to the correct operating mode within milliseconds. In doing so, the power consumption only takes place via the control car. The digital version EXTRA is also equipped with intelligent bus technology (ZugBUS) that supplies the central cars with current from the control car, meaning that no ad­ditional pick-up shoes are required. Furthermore, additional information is supplied to the digital system via conductive elements to the couplings – as a result, the interior lighting for all coaches can be controlled separately for instance. The green light for more travelling pleasure!

Looks like ESU has produced a decoder especially for Brawa on the other hand I have used conductive couplers for years and used the loco decoder for interior lights.
ESU also introduced a new adapter plate to be able to access 6 Aux functions, although at a cost whereas others have included 6 Aux functions within the decoder (Zimo)

Having to add the slider for 3 rail, it seems it can't identify both systems at the same time (2 rail-3 rail), the question begs how many modeler use both systems at the same time, the only thing I can think of being new is the wheels have to be isolated from each other and the decoder switches the current form the second rail to the third rail and it has to be seen whether or not the 3 rail version will have both wheels with track power or will it stay for 2 rail use.

John

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User is suspended until 23/03/4752 12:54:35(UTC) Mulldog Lemon  
#2 Posted : 04 April 2013 03:10:54(UTC)
Mulldog Lemon

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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Dual Power and intelligent bus technology (ZugBUS):

Do you operate with direct current or alternating current? Thanks to Dual Power, this key question is rendered completely insignificant with immediate effect. The TWINDEXX Vario from BRAWA can be utilised on both two-wire and three-wire tracks. In order to operate on alternating current systems, the supplied clip pick-up shoe is simply assembled in a few easy steps and away you go. The ESU LokPilot Decoder automatically recognises the type of current and switches to the correct operating mode within milliseconds. In doing so, the power consumption only takes place via the control car. The digital version EXTRA is also equipped with intelligent bus technology (ZugBUS) that supplies the central cars with current from the control car, meaning that no ad­ditional pick-up shoes are required. Furthermore, additional information is supplied to the digital system via conductive elements to the couplings – as a result, the interior lighting for all coaches can be controlled separately for instance. The green light for more travelling pleasure!

Looks like ESU has produced a decoder especially for Brawa on the other hand I have used conductive couplers for years and used the loco decoder for interior lights.
ESU also introduced a new adapter plate to be able to access 6 Aux functions, although at a cost whereas others have included 6 Aux functions within the decoder (Zimo)

Having to add the slider for 3 rail, it seems it can't identify both systems at the same time (2 rail-3 rail), the question begs how many modeler use both systems at the same time, the only thing I can think of being new is the wheels have to be isolated from each other and the decoder switches the current form the second rail to the third rail and it has to be seen whether or not the 3 rail version will have both wheels with track power or will it stay for 2 rail use.

John

http://www.reynaulds.com/products/Brawa/44502.aspx


Thanks John, I completely missed the detail of this in the 2013 New items brochure on page 26.
says:
AC pickup shoe included
No Wheelset replacement required
There is also a note at the bottom: "not possible to retrospectively convert the digital EXTRA functions"

I suspect the real progress and benefit here is Brawa reducing its model variations, but hats off to them for reducing the complexity of all this.

there's also an IC version
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Offline ozzman  
#3 Posted : 04 April 2013 04:31:03(UTC)
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Methinks this was posted 12 months ago. Methinks also that this post was three days late LOL
Gary
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 04 April 2013 08:01:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
the only thing I can think of being new is the wheels have to be isolated from each other and the decoder switches the current form the second rail to the third rail and it has to be seen whether or not the 3 rail version will have both wheels with track power or will it stay for 2 rail use.
AFAIK Brawa is the third company to offer AC/DC locos with a slider that only has to be clipped on (ESU where second and I always forget the name of the first company who did it (but maybe I missed some and there are even more than three)).

Is it the decoder doing the switching? I presume there is a mechanical contact in the truck.

For full AC operation with contact tracks, current has to be taken from both sides - I expect that all three companies do this.
Regards
Tom
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Offline RayF  
#5 Posted : 04 April 2013 10:27:47(UTC)
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I agree with Arlo. This is not so much an advantage as a cost saver.

My worry is that compromises have to be made in the wheel profile and back-to-back measurements, which might lead to less than perfect running over turnouts.
Ray
Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline evan.v.giles  
#6 Posted : 07 April 2013 02:35:51(UTC)
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Location: South Brisbane, Queensland
Hi again everyone,

Me thinks the problem here will be cost of repairs, as with any new technology the cost of repair rises accordingly, so if this thing costs upwards of $1000 and it costs you around $200 to repair,
I would seriously question the value of it and as seems likely they will introduce this technology to all thier range I think they may not sell to many as the cost is prohibitive.
Marklin sells 75% of its product in Germany/Europe but I have only two people I can go to get things repaired, so if either of these two go bust I up shit street.
The two I go to have constantly had problems with orders - They take ages to arrive because they are not very big so the propietor don't care
A previous dealer described one of the merchants he dealt with as a pig because he was so hard to deal with.Cursing
Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 07 April 2013 08:58:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: evan.v.giles Go to Quoted Post
Me thinks the problem here will be cost of repairs, as with any new technology the cost of repair rises accordingly, so if this thing costs upwards of $1000 and it costs you around $200 to repair,
ESU makes AC locos, DC locos, and AC/DC locos - all sold at nearly €400.
Methinks a simple mechanical two-way switch will not make such an AC/DC loco expensive (compared to the other gimmicks they add: two speakers, a dozen light functions, smoke generator, ...). The average user will push the slider in once for good, so there should be little wear on the mechanical switch for the vast majority of customers.

ESU warn that the AC/DC versions are not fully compatible with M track.
I wonder if the flanges of AC/DC locos are larger than those of pure DC locos. If they are, two-rail users may not like the look; if they are not, three-rail users may not like the "click" they make on switches.
Regards
Tom
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