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Offline baggio  
#1 Posted : 28 March 2013 22:03:26(UTC)
baggio

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I recently bought a Marklin My World starter set (the yellow one with construction theme, no. 29182) and an electric locomotive (the one with Marklin's name on it, no. 36614), also digital. $400.00 in total.

Frankly, I am not too happy.

The digital loco had to be exchanged because after a few days it would not start without a push. In addition, the power goes off after 3 minutes if you id not push any buttons. A real pain.

The other loco looks very nice, but is rather slow and was too easily damaged in a bit of a scrap on the layout. Both pantographs would have to be replaced ($50.00) and the little bumper as well ($15.00). Not what I expected after a minor scrap.

I also bought a Walthers Trainline Canadian Pacific set, $150.00 with extra tracks, and an extra Santa Fe loco on E-bay ($37.00, brand new).

Bottom line, I am getting a lot more fun with the latter two purchases than the Marklin sets, for 1/2 the money. The locos run very fast, especially the Santa Fe one. Admittedly, the wagons that came with the set have some issues, but overall I think I got more than my money's worth with the Walthers sets. Not so with the Marklin purchases

Is there something I am missing in this equation?

I am actually half tempted to give up on Marklin.

A word of advice, please.

Happy holidays to all.
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 28 March 2013 22:26:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
In addition, the power goes off after 3 minutes if you id not push any buttons.
That's a feature, not a bug - when you use the IR controller from the starter set.
I think this is the worst starter set controller they have.

Sometimes the DCM locos have contact problems between brushes and collector. I guess your yellow loco had that problem. Experienced Märklin users can fix it themselves. Bad luck if that happens with your first Märklin loco.
Regards
Tom
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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 28 March 2013 22:54:37(UTC)
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Hi Baggio,

Modern locos are neither as rugged as they used to be nor as reliable.

They are less rugged because they are more finely detailed. Those easily damaged pantographs, for example, are a lot more realistic than the indestructible ones you got in the 1950s.

They are also less reliable because of all the extra electronics they include. However the problem you experianced with the yellow shunter sounds like an easy fix as Tom pointed out. Your dealer should have been able to give it back to you on the same day after some minor maintenance.

On the issue of speed, I'm sure your Marklin locos are capable of much more than the scale speed which would be realistic. Perhaps the Walthers locos are capable of going much faster, but that is not something that most people demand nowadays. In fact the opposite is true, and most enthusiasts want the locos capable of running at scale walking speeds.

At the end of the day, though, it's up to you what you want from your train set. If you feel that the Walthers set is more to your liking then maybe it's best you don't spend the extra money on Marklin. It's your call...
Ray
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Offline Yumgui  
#4 Posted : 28 March 2013 23:27:44(UTC)
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Hiya Baggio,

As I'm one for the old fashioned analog Märklin material which you can pull out of a stored box 60 or more years later and never fails to run like a nose, as I have very few clues about the more recent digital trains this company has manufactured (other members here will set you straight on this issue...), and as I also collect all kinds of other AC/DC stuff in various scales like Walthers, Athearn, AHC/IHC, Mehano, Penn Line, Mantua, Lionel, (not to mention SMCF or VB), etc ... my only advice is:

Just put one and one together; does your train setup fit your expectations (or not), what is needed so it does fit your expectations, and most importantly, have fun doing it ... ^^ ?

Märklin surely has an undisputed historic reputation for robust quality over all other brands, just depends what other quality you compare it with, and within which time framework you do so... its all very relative ^^ !

Yum Cool
If your M track is rusted ... DON'T throw it out !
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Offline michelvr  
#5 Posted : 28 March 2013 23:50:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
I recently bought a Marklin My World starter set (the yellow one with construction theme, no. 29182) and an electric locomotive (the one with Marklin's name on it, no. 36614), also digital. $400.00 in total.

Frankly, I am not too happy.

The digital loco had to be exchanged because after a few days it would not start without a push. In addition, the power goes off after 3 minutes if you id not push any buttons. A real pain.

The other loco looks very nice, but is rather slow and was too easily damaged in a bit of a scrap on the layout. Both pantographs would have to be replaced ($50.00) and the little bumper as well ($15.00). Not what I expected after a minor scrap.

I also bought a Walthers Trainline Canadian Pacific set, $150.00 with extra tracks, and an extra Santa Fe loco on E-bay ($37.00, brand new).

Bottom line, I am getting a lot more fun with the latter two purchases than the Marklin sets, for 1/2 the money. The locos run very fast, especially the Santa Fe one. Admittedly, the wagons that came with the set have some issues, but overall I think I got more than my money's worth with the Walthers sets. Not so with the Marklin purchases

Is there something I am missing in this equation?

I am actually half tempted to give up on Marklin.

A word of advice, please.

Happy holidays to all.


Hello bagglo~

Happy holiday to you too and may I suggest that if you have second thoughts contact me by PM and see want Marklin can do for you!

Please do not be half tempted to give up on Marklin!

A very wise forum member from Guelph has said to me that Marklin makes good and great locomotives and the key to knowing which to buy is in the Marklin numbering system. For example Marklin's 36*** are inexpensive and you get what you pay for. Yet the 37*** and 39*** are more expensive and may I say, "WOW" you get what you paid for!

Like everything in life you only get what you pay for, so if the price looks cheap you get cheap and from my experience and spending habits over the last forty years you will be better off with Marklin. Trust me because last year I sold my $*****.** 2 rail DCC collection and with Marklin I'll never look back! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Michel
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 29 March 2013 02:01:14(UTC)
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Baggio,

Let me check to see if I have some spare pantos.

As far as the accident, were you running with the pantos up at the time? These days, I usually run them with the pantos down, even if it is not prototypical.

As far as the controller, I guess that it goes inactive to save battery power. If you have the chance to upgrade to a Mobile Station, it would probably be a better choice. Some dealers may have this on sale as we speak, either in box or from an opened start set.

The Hobby collection is a good way to start, but the regular models are definitely higher quality. I am sure that they will convince you that Maerklin is worth it.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline baggio  
#7 Posted : 29 March 2013 03:09:20(UTC)
baggio

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Thank you all for your suggestions and feedback.

As far as the running the loco with the pantographs open, yes I was. The loco looks majestic (to me, anyway) when it runs that way. :-)

The shut off problem/feature does not work with the other loco, the big one, unless I run it with the little one, then I am stuck again. There is no battery involved in this set up, not like the ICE battery set I have (very nice and quick, when the batteries are just charged).

Upgrading the set does not make any difference to the speed and the cost is VERY substantial.

Right now I am looking at buying a 1961 Italian locomotor that looks very nice and am told runs very well. It is exactly like the one I used to play with my father. The price is high: listed at 120 Euros! Still, this would be for nostalgia, mainly.

I am also expecting to buy an economical Lima high speed train on E-bay, from the same gentleman who sold me the Santa Fe loco that runs like the wind.

I want to keep my options open since I really do not trust Marklin any more.

Any other feedback would be most welcomed.
Offline BR01097  
#8 Posted : 29 March 2013 03:30:03(UTC)
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New Marklin products and I are finished. After the experience attempting some simple and recommended lubrication service on the French T12 locomotive model #36742, there's no way I'll pay over $100 for another migraine! Below is the short list of typical frustrations with their later offerings:
  1. The tiny screws securing the body to the chassis are buried between the drivers, very difficult to get at with a proper Phillips.
  2. Despite delicate and gentle treatment, the body does not snap easily back into place over the circuitry embedded in the tender, but what does snap easily are the lanterns actually hanging by their lenses!
  3. The model doesn't have enough weight to adhere to the rails when pulling an average load and stalls on turnouts.
  4. No way to wire or bridge a circuit for an accessory given the limited space inside. On top of it, these are now being made in China, which kind of makes spending all that extra money somewhat pointless.

To your question: no, I won't buy; but yes, if you get your hands on the older, cast-iron entries you'll get a lot more play value and bang for your buck. They are invincible.




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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 29 March 2013 08:49:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
As far as the controller, I guess that it goes inactive to save battery power.
The batteries are in the IR sender, but it's the IR receiver (connected to a power supply) that switches off track power for security reasons after three minutes without "input".
Regards
Tom
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Offline RayF  
#10 Posted : 29 March 2013 12:00:39(UTC)
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Marklin is not everybody's cup of tea. Many people find their older models crude and unconvincing, whereas others find the newer models flimsy and lacking in power.

Personally, I love the older models, the not so old models, and the newer models, all for different reasons. You can't judge all models made over a span of 60 years by the same standards. Technology has moved on in totally unforeseen ways during that time, and modeller's expectations in terms of fidelity to the prototype have also skyrocketed.

Many people who are used to the good old chunky models of the '50s and '60s just don't get the latest models, and yet their beauty and accurate detailing is on a totally different plane. Of course this means they are more fiddly and delicate. It is easy to damage them if not handled with due care and attention. I recommend a thorough examination of the instruction manual before taking one apart.

In short, go with what you like! If you don't enjoy the newer models stick to getting oldies off ebay. There are plenty to go around!
Ray
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#11 Posted : 29 March 2013 13:27:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Yumgui Go to Quoted Post

Märklin surely has an undisputed historic reputation for robust quality over all other brands, just depends what other quality you compare it with, and within which time framework you do so... its all very relative ^^ !

Yum Cool


Take some old Trix and Fleischmann models, they are of the same robust quality. Until the 1950s, models of those classic firms were designed as robust toys with a nearly unlimited lifespan.

Mordern models are designed as exact scale models with many details, so it not just the electronic stuff inside the locos. They are no longer designed for use by children who run them on tracks laid the floor, so manufacturers probably no longer see any need to design even gears or motors in the same robust way like 50 years before.

European model train firms just had lost sight of children as possible customers over many years. Cheap prodcut lines like Primex have been elimanited in favour of high-priced stuff like MHI or Insider items. American firms continued to offer different product lines for children (more robust with little details, just like back in the '50s) and adults (finely detailed, but more fragile).

Regards,
Florian

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Offline baggio  
#12 Posted : 29 March 2013 16:11:02(UTC)
baggio

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Thanks again to all that replied and will reply. BigGrin

I found a way to change my avatar and now I have posted a picture of the loco I am hoping to buy in Italy, no 3035.

Now THAT is a good looking robust loco!Love

baggio attached the following image(s):
Famous loco - circa 1961 - bigger - no 3035.jpg
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Offline RayF  
#13 Posted : 29 March 2013 17:16:33(UTC)
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I have a 3035, and it's a great Marklin classic. One thing I'm not too pleased with is the 1960s "Cellon" windows, with the ugly grey opaque finish. It's a shame Marklin never issued this loco in these colours with clear plastic windows.
Ray
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Offline baggio  
#14 Posted : 29 March 2013 18:13:32(UTC)
baggio

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I agree. That is the only thing in the looks that is not very good. The big loco I bought does have clear plastic windows and they make the loco look sharp. Thanks.
Offline 5HorizonsRR  
#15 Posted : 29 March 2013 18:19:38(UTC)
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My two cents: the fit, finish and molding of the models is just as good if not better then the old stuff. (actually better, but I'm adjusting for the fact that technology is much better these days)

Mechanically or operationally it is a slightly different story, however the trains are 1000 times more complicated. Its much like comparing an old VW bug and a new Porsche 911.

Long story short- it is the quality control that I feel suffers- not really the design. In fact, most problems I've had have been fixed somewhat quickly and have never returned, indicating that the quality control was the problem.

Only exception I've had was a blue arrow missing paint markings on one side- this I consider unacceptable, and Marklin doesn't seem to be giving me a refund or a new locomotive very quickly...

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Offline river6109  
#17 Posted : 30 March 2013 03:53:25(UTC)
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baggio,

this is a bit much for pantos to be paying $ 50.00, can't you repair them ?
Speed: all the depends how super fast your locos are running (with pantos up) I don't think it would matter which loco or manufacturer it is.
What type of loco: your choice of locos seem to be anything so long you like the look of it.
Starter set: this is not acceptable and it could be set back for Märklin to produce such a set in the first place and not a good introduction into the hobby of model trains.

My suggestion: get some locos from 1960 onwards, run your locos at normal speed, try to be more selective before buying a loco and as you've done the right thing and asking for suggestion from the forum or buy racing cars instead
the loco you've pointed out is a good runner, all metal and it would be very hard to run this to the ground.

If you have read: what new locos have you bought or new releases from Märklin and members have bought or thinking o buying, I wouldn't go down this path, you may have noticed 2 weeks after some of the locos members bought are not what they've envisaged and some members may overcome this unsatisfactory hurdle because they have the financial means of buying another model which may bring them satisfaction and happiness.
you will find in life, as you get older, you will buy things which are not what you thought it would be, either quality, price or it doesn't live up to its functionality.

Märklin is a God's brand but these days there are more God's around you can choose from without derailing from 3 rail, the hobby itself just get the right mix which is suitable for your own personal needs.



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Offline baggio  
#18 Posted : 30 March 2013 05:32:24(UTC)
baggio

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Hello, Everyone:

I have decided I am going to "play the field" for a while. I do feel as if I am "cheating" on a lover, but Marklin seems to have taken me for granted, so I want to see what other makers offer. EXCEPT, of curse, for the nostalgia loco of 1961 as depicted in my new avatar. I am going to go on a date with Lima and maybe Rivarossi. I like "fast" girls... :-)

As for repairing the loco myself, sorry, THAT is something I doubt I can do. The closest I have come to is changing the coupler on a Walthers wagon so I can run it with a Marklin train. It was actually fun to do.

HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!!!
Offline RayF  
#19 Posted : 30 March 2013 10:20:48(UTC)
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Happy Easter Baggio!

Any chance of a first name? It's so much friendlier...
Ray
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Offline Janne75  
#20 Posted : 30 March 2013 11:15:54(UTC)
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Happy Easter!

I have only two Märklin 36XXX series locos at the moment and have to say that these two are very robust and good ones. The first one is Märklin 36159 Insider 1996 brown digital Crocodile. Well, it is as robust as older 3015 or CCS 800, but it has that digital decoder from that time and got therefore model number starting 36XXX. The other one is an Märklin BR 81 005 steamer from starter set 29539. It is listed by Koll's as 36320.30 as it is from starter set. It runs perfectly and has robust metal body.

Märklin locos from 1940-1980 (metal bodied ones) are very robust and almost unbreakable. That 3035 is a very beatiful loco and I even like those windows as it was the style of that time period. The grey color looks nice with those two brown ones. I have two of these 3035.1 versions from around 1960-1962. The only parts that You should be careful with when handling this loco is pantos, metal "rails" near lamps and the paint. Dont touch it with hands as the paint can go easily to bad condition when fet from fingers touches the paint.

The older Märklin locos were made for last to the grandfather, father, son and son's son Wink , but the newer more detailed versions must be handled more carefully. They are designed more for display cases and seldom running if one wants to have it in operational condition after say 50 years. But here the "key" is to buy more locos to get the running hours more evenly stabilized between many locos ThumpUp .

I like the older locos from the end of 1940's =>, but also the newer very detailed ones. Both from different reasons. I think that maybe in the future I will buy more the older locos.

I have one loco from 1940's, five from 1950's, maybe around 20-30 from 1960's, many from 1970-1980's and much more from 1990 => 2013. I like all of them, but from different reasons. Some 1960's locos had great details for their time (diesels 3064, 3065, 3069 and 3072 for example). But they are plastic body locos.

Most undrestructable pantos are type 5, 6 and 7 from start of 1950 to 1960 or 1970's in some models. Earlier type 4 and 4.1 are easily damaged.

Regards,
Janne
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#21 Posted : 30 March 2013 12:09:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I have a 3035, and it's a great Marklin classic. One thing I'm not too pleased with is the 1960s "Cellon" windows, with the ugly grey opaque finish. It's a shame Marklin never issued this loco in these colours with clear plastic windows.



Already in the 1960s, milk glass cellon windows were anything else than state-of-the-art. They were just a cheap way to save the money the would have needed to build the moulds for exactly fitting clear plastic windows.

But the milk glass windows of these loco can easily be replaced. All you need is the clear packaging material - a thick clear foil - used bey Wiking, Brekina, Rietze or Herpa. this is cut into fitting pieces. Take the original cellon windows as stencils for the exact form, and the position of the holes.

Don't throw the old cellon windows into the garbage bin. They can be re-used as window panes for toilet or bathroom windows of houses.

One should also replace the wrong pantographs. DB pantrographs have no place on a FS loco! Luckily, Sommerfeldt has fitting FS pantographs.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline baggio  
#22 Posted : 30 March 2013 17:23:13(UTC)
baggio

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Hello again:

Ray was asking about my first name, no problem. It's Silvano. Best regards to all.
Offline RayF  
#23 Posted : 30 March 2013 18:09:02(UTC)
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Hi Silvano. Nice to meet you!

Smile
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Offline baggio  
#24 Posted : 31 March 2013 07:36:40(UTC)
baggio

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I should have asked: Can I use a non-Marklin loco with a Marklin digital controller, such as the remote-controller type in my starter set?

Thanks.
Offline RayF  
#25 Posted : 31 March 2013 08:07:49(UTC)
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I believe you can use any digital locomotive for the Marklin Motorola system, but I don't have one of those infra-red controllers, so I'm not sure.
Ray
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Offline H0  
#26 Posted : 31 March 2013 08:40:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
I should have asked: Can I use a non-Marklin loco with a Marklin digital controller, such as the remote-controller type in my starter set?
It should work fine with ESU decoders.

It will also work with other MM decoders, but will not be able to change the address.

So when buying e.g. Piko locos, you should ask the seller to set one of the four addresses supported by the IR thingy (24, 60, 72, 78).

No problem changing addresses using e.g. an MS2.

Piko always uses Uhlenbrock decoders. Brawa locos should have ESU decoders.
With Roco or Fleischmann you never know in advance (they used Zimo, Uhlenbrock, ESU, Lenz, ...).
Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#27 Posted : 31 March 2013 09:55:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Brawa locos should have ESU decoders.


Brawa has ESU sound decoder.
The latest Preussen model G7.1 has M4 too in the sound decoder.

H0
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Offline Goofy  
#28 Posted : 31 March 2013 09:57:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
I should have asked: Can I use a non-Marklin loco with a Marklin digital controller, such as the remote-controller type in my starter set?

Thanks.


What exactly are you writing about remote controler?
Do you mean Marklins old IR-controler number 6070 and 6071...?

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Offline H0  
#29 Posted : 31 March 2013 10:37:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
I should have asked: Can I use a non-Marklin loco with a Marklin digital controller, such as the remote-controller type in my starter set?
What exactly are you writing about remote controler?
He writes about the high tech IR controllers used in starter sets like 29163. This thingy can change the address of ESU decoders and other decoders that support the ESU programming scheme.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#30 Posted : 31 March 2013 14:39:05(UTC)
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I have done all the improvements I described to my E424. Unluckily, I could't find the photos any more, but I also have a video of it, pulling a consist of FS, ÖBB and FS coaches:




I have done the same improvements to a few other Märklin locos too: the SNCF BB 9200 (3038), the red version from the "Le Capitole" set, or the ÖBB Rh 1141.

Regards,
Florian
H0 3-rail AC with DCC, MM and mfx, 2-rail DC streetcars, and N gauge
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Offline utkan  
#31 Posted : 31 March 2013 16:24:12(UTC)
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if the question exists on minds, then there must be the problem.... like, if there is the fume, there must be the fire...BigGrin
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Offline Goofy  
#32 Posted : 01 April 2013 11:03:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
I should have asked: Can I use a non-Marklin loco with a Marklin digital controller, such as the remote-controller type in my starter set?
What exactly are you writing about remote controler?
He writes about the high tech IR controllers used in starter sets like 29163. This thingy can change the address of ESU decoders and other decoders that support the ESU programming scheme.


Okey...is there any info about this remote controler to take look at it?
H0
DCC = Digital Command Control
Offline baggio  
#33 Posted : 03 April 2013 01:19:47(UTC)
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Hi, Goofy and everyone else.

The remote control is the one that comes with a starter digital set. In my case the construction yellow set. Please see my other blog on Marklin quality - Act II and my (hopefully past) problems with a loco that stopped working.

What I wanted to know is whether I can use this remote control with a Piko AC digital loco. Otherwise, I will have to buy a DC Piko and use it on my Walthers set up.

Does anyone have any idea on point?

Thanks.

Silvano
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#34 Posted : 03 April 2013 05:56:25(UTC)
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I posted it in Baggio's other thread, but here is the link for the instruction for the new IR controller: http://medienpdb.maerkli...les/1/pdf/29411_tech.pdf
Open In New Window to view or cut and paste the link

MC
Offline H0  
#35 Posted : 03 April 2013 07:40:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
What I wanted to know is whether I can use this remote control with a Piko AC digital loco.
Yes, it can control Piko AC locos - but it cannot change their address, so ask the seller to set one of the four addresses supported by the IR controller.

Regards
Tom
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#36 Posted : 03 April 2013 08:16:28(UTC)
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Hi All,

If M can produce a new Lok with an axle that doesn't turn, as the rear bogie one on my new BR23.008 does not, I have to wonder also Confused Bored
Glen
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#37 Posted : 03 April 2013 08:18:10(UTC)
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Hi All,

If M can produce a new Lok with an axle that doesn't turn, as the rear bogie one on my new BR23.008 does not, simply because of excess tension on the earthing spring, I have to wonder also Confused Bored
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Marklin 39233 001.jpg
Marklin 39233 009.jpg
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" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
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Offline SCWHIPPLE  
#38 Posted : 02 May 2013 14:01:10(UTC)
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I bought three new 60055 transformers and all three failed to function after a short circuit - a rather normal occurence when the train comes off the track. I took them apart (since shipping to Marklin was out of the question), and they were made in China. I replaced the bad circuit protector with an external fuse from Radio Shack to get them working again. I would say they quality is a LOT lower on the transformers. Especially when they were still charging the "Made in Germany" price of 129 dollars for one!!!
Offline TrainIride  
#39 Posted : 02 May 2013 16:19:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
Hi All,

If M can produce a new Lok with an axle that doesn't turn, as the rear bogie one on my new BR23.008 does not, simply because of excess tension on the earthing spring, I have to wonder also Confused Bored


I don't know if its the same problem I had on the front wheels of my - hard to open - 36742,
but the cause was the compatibility "DC Trix" / "AC Märklin":
they put metal strips behind every wheel instead of one metal strip at the axle center.
I had to release these strips because the loco didn't need them !

So this compatibility is also a reason for complexity and loss of reliability.

Best Regards
Joël




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Offline Dimi194  
#40 Posted : 03 May 2013 10:12:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TrainIride Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
Hi All,

If M can produce a new Lok with an axle that doesn't turn, as the rear bogie one on my new BR23.008 does not, simply because of excess tension on the earthing spring, I have to wonder also Confused Bored


I don't know if its the same problem I had on the front wheels of my - hard to open - 36742,
but the cause was the compatibility "DC Trix" / "AC Märklin":
they put metal strips behind every wheel instead of one metal strip at the axle center.
I had to release these strips because the loco didn't need them !

So this compatibility is also a reason for complexity and loss of reliability.

Best Regards
Joël



Same thing with my starter set version of the loco; that combined with the additon of an extra tank thing (not sure what it is called!) in front of the bogie beneath the buffers stopped mine from turning when going around corners... doesn't the train use them as a ground??
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Offline hennabm  
#41 Posted : 04 May 2013 15:46:57(UTC)
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Hi all

Although I like the detail of the newer and more intricate models, to me I prefer the ruggedness of the "proper" M products. Tried and tested metal body, tin plate trains. ThumpUp running on unbreakable M track.

The digital age is something alien to me but having seen a lot of digital engines etc at the BW open days I can appreciate their beauty and detailBigGrin So far though I haven't seen a digital engine to sway me across.LOL

Horses for courses as they say.

Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
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Offline H0  
#42 Posted : 04 May 2013 18:55:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
running on unbreakable M track
Some of my M track pieces have loose centre rails.
Unbreakable? My M track was played with a lot and many rails are bent at the rail joiners, so it takes a long time to tweak this joiners to get almost reliable operation.
I prefer C track as it comes without rail joiners (but get tracks from 2002 or later).

If it wasn't digital, I may not have gotten back to the MRR hobby.
I appreciate detailed rolling stock, even though it requires more care.

Quality problems are not necessarily coming with digital railways. Some locos are over oiled, some are not oiled at all, some arrive without brushes, and many other problems more.
And a few years ago they added a language barrier with H0 loco design in Göppingen and loco assembly in Győr.
For about a decade now they try to reduce costs - cheaper motors, cheaper decoders, cheaper workforce, cheaper sub-contractors (which e.g. brought zinc pest to the digital age with Köf II, Seetal-Krokodil, and US freight cars).
Regards
Tom
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