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Offline baggio  
#1 Posted : 07 March 2013 04:11:27(UTC)
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baggio

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Does anyone know how you can get top speed from a loco?

I find most of Marklin locos not particularly fast.

The only exception is the ICE battery train; that IS really fast with a new set of batteries. Even the blue battery set is not so fast.

I would like to be able to run a loco (digital and analogue) fast enough so that I need to slow it down at a curve lest it derails. I am nowhere there now.

Thank you.
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#2 Posted : 07 March 2013 07:48:49(UTC)
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I find most of Marklin locos not particularly fast.
Most Märklin locos are too fast.
Which locos and which controller(s) do you have?

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#3 Posted : 07 March 2013 07:59:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Does anyone know how you can get top speed from a loco?

I find most of Marklin locos not particularly fast.

The only exception is the ICE battery train; that IS really fast with a new set of batteries. Even the blue battery set is not so fast.

I would like to be able to run a loco (digital and analogue) fast enough so that I need to slow it down at a curve lest it derails. I am nowhere there now.

Thank you.


Hello,

It depends of the decoder type if it is an digital loco. Some has adjustable potentiometer inside of the loco that you can adjust with a small screwdriver. Then the newer digital ones can be programmed to run faster by setting a higher value for top speed. What locos are these?

My fastest locos as a real prototype are the Zeppelin and E 103. They run so fast that it surely looks that they go over 250 km/h in 1:87 scale.

But if you want to do modifications (tuning) to loco motor I think that you should modify the motor (maybe rewire it) if it really has to go say 400 km/h looking in 1:87 scale. Or maybe you can change the gear ratios by changing different teeth gears to them? And then derail if not slowing speed down before turns Cool .

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Offline biedmatt  
#4 Posted : 07 March 2013 21:44:21(UTC)
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Funny, I bought one of these and slowed them all down to scale speed. Some are quite slower.
I find maximum speed here.
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Offline baggio  
#5 Posted : 08 March 2013 02:18:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: baggio Go to Quoted Post
Does anyone know how you can get top speed from a loco?

I find most of Marklin locos not particularly fast.

The only exception is the ICE battery train; that IS really fast with a new set of batteries. Even the blue battery set is not so fast.

I would like to be able to run a loco (digital and analogue) fast enough so that I need to slow it down at a curve lest it derails. I am nowhere there now.

Thank you.


Hello,

It depends of the decoder type if it is an digital loco. Some has adjustable potentiometer inside of the loco that you can adjust with a small screwdriver. Then the newer digital ones can be programmed to run faster by setting a higher value for top speed. What locos are these?

My fastest locos as a real prototype are the Zeppelin and E 103. They run so fast that it surely looks that they go over 250 km/h in 1:87 scale.

But if you want to do modifications (tuning) to loco motor I think that you should modify the motor (maybe rewire it) if it really has to go say 400 km/h looking in 1:87 scale. Or maybe you can change the gear ratios by changing different teeth gears to them? And then derail if not slowing speed down before turns Cool .

Janne


Thanks to all that responded.

I am not able to adjust the insides of the locos.

I have two digital locos, 36614, Marklin my world electric loco (with Marklin logo on it) 4 axles powered, and 29182, part of a starter set, yellow, one axle powered, which is actually faster than the first one (so much for the four-axle power). I also have three vintage locos, the best one is the 30000, black, using a conventional transformer, light blue (as opposed to the darker blue model). The 36614 loco is a bit faster in digital rather than analogue. Either way, none of them is fast. I always run them at top speed. Thanks.
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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 08 March 2013 07:41:28(UTC)
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and 29182, part of a starter set, yellow, one axle powered, which is actually faster than the first one (so much for the four-axle power).
Max. speed is just a matter of gear ratio, not of powered axles.
The new crocodile with six powered axles should be a very slow crawler ...

Back in the ’70s I had two locos that fell of the track at full speed: a BR 141 (Primex) and an Italian E 424 (Märklin). The 141 now has a Delta decoder and still falls off the track (at 300+ km/h scale speed where only 120 km/h would be prototypically correct). More modern Märklin constructions come with slower gears.

According to NEM, max. speed of a model should not exceed 130% of scale speed. The yellow shunter and the 30000 obviously do not adhere to the NEM standard.
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Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 08 March 2013 08:40:17(UTC)
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Hi Baggio,
You seem overly preoccupied with speed. Perhaps you would be happier with the old Marklin "Alpha" trains?

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Offline baggio  
#8 Posted : 09 March 2013 06:30:27(UTC)
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Thank you to Tom for his feedback. However, that leaves me wondering: what is Marklin trying to tell the buyer when it mentions the number of powered axles if not speed?

As for Ray, yes I am speed-conscious. If you ever run the Ice battery set as I have, you will enjoy the fun of seeing it drink up the other more expensive locos!

Is there a simple way of actually speeding up the locos? Where do I get a manual of sorts telling me how to do it?

Finally, I am considering buying a Walthers starter set, CP at that. When I do, I will report on the outcome. By that I mean, how it compares to Marklin.
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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 09 March 2013 07:48:07(UTC)
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However, that leaves me wondering: what is Marklin trying to tell the buyer when it mentions the number of powered axles if not speed?
Tractive effort maybe?
The number of powered axles actually means nothing, as the E 17 (37061) with 2 powered axles can pull more than the BR 50.40 (37040) with 5 powered axles (and I won't be surprised if the E 17 would be stronger than the new crocodile with 2 motors and six powered axles).

With some models like the DHG 500/700, this information allows you to tell old and new construction apart. In the old days, they also gave you the number of traction tyres.

So many powered axles and many traction tyres do not always make a strong hauler (as the tractive weight resting an traction tyres or powered axles without tyres plays an important role), but at least they have some figures for the catalogue.
Regards
Tom
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