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Offline river6109  
#1 Posted : 23 February 2013 10:39:47(UTC)
river6109

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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
I have come to the conclusion the price you've got for your locos 3 - 5 years ago is less than half today.

digital conversions with 5 pole motors 3 - 5 years ago was a seller today its common most locos have these motors in as standard.
sound decoders are becoming mor compatable and again are available sometimes as a bargain price we see from Stephen's topic: Bargain hunt.

startersets also are very popular and again you can pick up good bargains from these.

although ebay is very popular, its not a sellers market, its a buyers paradise and it shows the amount of stuff is bought here on this forum and rarely we get notices about items we sell at a profit, its like at the casino people tell you much they've won but never how much they've lost.

buying them at a bargain price will give you more room in case you do want too sell your item(s) one day and I doubt you get your money back from newly bought items.

enthusiasts who play with their trains, monetary value is not always important but it would be nice if you can have it both ways, play with them and than when the time comes sell them and may even get another bargain on the way,

John

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Offline foumaro  
#2 Posted : 23 February 2013 14:25:42(UTC)
foumaro

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If you choose the right models you have both.
Offline intruder  
#3 Posted : 23 February 2013 14:46:44(UTC)
intruder

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Location: Akershus, Norway
I notice that locomotives I payed NOK 750,00 for in the 80s now sell for NOK 2000,00 by the same MMR dealer.

The loco in question is the Märklin 3143, NSB Di3.
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The NOK 2000,00 version is new in the box, sold second hand for good customers.

On the other hand, how much did I have to work for NOK 750,00 in 1983, compared to NOK 2000,00 today?
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline Yumgui  
#4 Posted : 23 February 2013 14:59:31(UTC)
Yumgui

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Originally Posted by: intruder Go to Quoted Post
On the other hand, how much did I have to work for NOK 750,00 in 1983, compared to NOK 2000,00 today?

Yep Svein, that's a good question !

Another factor is exchange rates. eBay being a seller's market, I have bought quite a lot of stuff over the last 2 years from the US as the dollar has floated from .75 to .80% of the euro. This has usually covered extra shipping costs and sometimes more ...

The resulting purchases, mostly for old time "vintage" Märklin stuff, I consider now as overall bargains ... but, I'm not sure whether vintage Märklin will continue to increase, hold or decrease in value ... ?

TBC ...

Yum Cool
If your M track is rusted ... DON'T throw it out !
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Offline RayF  
#5 Posted : 23 February 2013 17:29:24(UTC)
RayF

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I think there's no point in buying model trains as an investment or as a trading commodity. Yes, they might appreciate in value, but most models nowadays are not rare enough to give you a good return, and even then you have to have never played with it and kept it in a sealed box in a perfect environment so that appears to be brand new.

For me, these are toys. They are made to be played with, and to be enjoyed in more ways than just being kept in a display case. This is especially true of modern models with all kinds of digital functions which would never be seen or heard if the train is never run on a layout.

The beauty is that when they you decide that railway modelling is no longer for you, or if that never happens then at the end of your life, models that have had reasonably good care can be sold on ebay for a fair return on your initial cost. No one will get rich, but there will be some residual value which can be passed on to a loved one or used for other interests.
Ray
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Offline Johnvr  
#6 Posted : 23 February 2013 19:42:40(UTC)
Johnvr

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Ray,

Absolutely agreed !

Regards,BigGrin
John
Offline Yumgui  
#7 Posted : 23 February 2013 21:02:18(UTC)
Yumgui

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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
For me, these are toys. They are made to be played with, and to be enjoyed in more ways than just being kept in a display case.

Yes Ray, agreed ThumpUp
If your M track is rusted ... DON'T throw it out !
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My heavy train station renovation: https://youtu.be/QQlyNiq416A
Inspired by: http://www.nakedmarklin.com/... Am not alone in this universe, phew.
User is suspended until 24/11/2846 07:19:16(UTC) Bigdaddynz  
#8 Posted : 23 February 2013 21:27:06(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
........then at the end of your life, models that have had reasonably good care can be sold on ebay for a fair return on your initial cost. No one will get rich, but there will be some residual value which can be passed on to a loved one or used for other interests.


One thing I have found as a result of being involved with compiling an inventory of the MRR collection from the estate of a friend of mine who recently passed away, is that most estate managers don't have the time, skills or inclination to list a large collection piece by piece on eBay or NZ's Trademe. They would far rather sell the complete collection in one lot (not many people can afford to buy large collections) or have an auction house sell it. The problem with auction houses is that they take about 45% of the items value in fees and taxes, and then there is the question of what you do with the pieces that don't sell.

My advice to you all is that you give explicit instructions in your wills as to what you want to happen to your MRR collections (donations, gifts, inheritance to family, or even that it be sold on ebay) for when you are no longer here.

Ray does otherwise makes some really valid points in his post.
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Offline franciscohg  
#9 Posted : 24 February 2013 01:15:36(UTC)
franciscohg

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I hope at least one of my kids ( or grand kids, or any relative )would acquire the love for MRR if not i would like that they just give the items who someone that really loves them............
When i will be gone, the only real thing i hope i had gave to them is a good education and how to be good persons.
Back to the topic, i think that MRR items are now far cheaper than 10 years ago, a nice loco worth about 500 USD back then, just as today....
As for accesories, if i remember well, the conversion of my BR23 8 years ago with a loksound and 5 pole engine cost me around 150 USD, about the same amount that today ( maybe less ).
They are not investments, they are little pieces of machinery that you love to run, display or whatever you like to do with them.....
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Offline xxup  
#10 Posted : 24 February 2013 01:18:22(UTC)
xxup

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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
...When i will be gone, the only real thing i hope i had gave to them is a good education and how to be good persons...


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Offline H0  
#11 Posted : 24 February 2013 08:17:55(UTC)
H0


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Hi!
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
enthusiasts who play with their trains, monetary value is not always important but it would be nice if you can have it both ways, play with them and than when the time comes sell them and may even get another bargain on the way
When you sell an item a few years later, you cannot expect to get more than 50% of the RRP (with very few exceptions).
When you play with your trains and the wheels look used, the value will be less.
They lose more value when they get scratches, small pieces break off, the instructions or the box get lost.

Advancement of technology could also reduce the value of the locos you have, especially if you play with them. Who knows what locos with yellow LEDs and DIP switches will be worth in 20 or 30 years time?
Regards
Tom
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"In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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Offline steventrain  
#12 Posted : 24 February 2013 09:54:45(UTC)
steventrain

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I complete agreed with you, Ray.ThumpUp
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Offline foumaro  
#13 Posted : 24 February 2013 10:06:47(UTC)
foumaro

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I think there is a reason to have locos and cars those realy worth.If you choose to sell them to buy something else,they will bring you some money
.I bought my four double Alcos on ebay.de and i paid for them more than their OVP prices.All the sellers enjoy their locos and sell them in very good prices.
Offline kimballthurlow  
#14 Posted : 24 February 2013 11:19:16(UTC)
kimballthurlow

Australia   
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Hi,

Ray and David summed it up pretty well.

While I have about 20 Marklin locos (and enough rolling stock to match), I shudder to think of the hassle my beloved and family will have when disposing of them. Better perhaps to have a pre-conceived donation plan (their choice).

And I know some members here, have many times what I have. The bottom line is that my trains give me pleasure, but they are mostly worthless to others.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
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Offline MikeTrain  
#15 Posted : 15 March 2013 20:51:02(UTC)
MikeTrain

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Location: Rome


Folks,


uhh spookey reading Huh I agree that it's all to be played with, that must be why we love it all this much, and the whole "thing" / atmosphere around it.
The friends sharing the same hobby, the glory moments of the first tracks, the second, the third.... them ALL, the hours shopping, the events, the exibitions, the countless hours on the web, surfing the sites and ebay ecc ecc. The forum like this one, with all you guy's Smile

And yet, the life is for the alive ones, and the dead is for the dead ones. All I'll ask for that NO ONE will damage or throw out anything.
If nobody feels or like (or have space enough) to keep it as it deserves to, well then sell it to make as much people happy about any single piece the might have bought. But yes it can be quite a task to get thru, for the ones that has to carry it out.

As long I get a single stright track in one pocket, and a loko or wagon in the other pocket, on my last journey, then I'am happy.

PS and should I end up the "wrong" place, then my M track will not melt as fast as K and C track !! RollEyes ThumpUp

Happy many many many many MMR years to go, for everybody Smile

Bye Mike
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Offline Mark5  
#16 Posted : 16 March 2013 10:05:05(UTC)
Mark5

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Thanks Gentlemen, I think you covered almost everything I needed to hear.

Was just telling my wife the other day about selling on Ebay, should anything happen to me earlier than one expects.
She sighed a bit and smiled. Now, I am working on the inventory for myself and the family with a thought to the inevitable.

But I just keep reminding my wife about the Free Train I'll be taking:
Remember this classic by Johnny Cash?


- Mark
DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline mike c  
#17 Posted : 16 March 2013 23:05:38(UTC)
mike c

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Location: Montreal, QC
A lok is worth what somebody else is willing to pay for it. There are going to be some models that are relatively common or that seem to end up on ebay more than others, while there are others that are very rare. This includes classic as well as current year models. Some times it can be because of a intended limited production. Other times, it can be due to other reasons. RailTop stopped manufacturing around 2008. The assorted Austrian and Swiss coaches have garnered incredible prices on auction sites as a result. There is currently a SBB Pilot coach on ebay for just under 300 EUR. The original price was around 100 EUR.

At the same time, the 37320 Re 10/10 set and 37321 Re 620 seem to be pretty plentiful on ebay, while the red 37322 commands a higher price and is more rare.

I think that buyers are not fooled as much by manufactured collector's items and are more influenced by the actual model than the hype that may surround it.

I wonder what the value of a 1990-2010 lok will be around 2050?

My collection is not about model numbers, but about a collection of memories that are brought to life by models representing trains I have been on, trains that I have seen (in person) and recollections of people met, places seen and things experienced during those travels. That is priceless and cannot be sold on ebay.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline franciscohg  
#18 Posted : 17 March 2013 01:02:41(UTC)
franciscohg

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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post


My collection is not about model numbers, but about a collection of memories that are brought to life by models representing trains I have been on, trains that I have seen (in person) and recollections of people met, places seen and things experienced during those travels. That is priceless and cannot be sold on ebay.



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Also true in my case for almost anything in my house!!
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Offline mattj70  
#19 Posted : 17 March 2013 16:06:18(UTC)
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Most of all my collection has come from Ebay in the last four years? I have bought some items new or from dealers, however to me they are toys to be used and played with. If your looking for investments? Well, I myself have lost thousands in the stock market, bought rental houses, bought gold and silver coins? The Marklin at least I can play with and resell quickly on ebay if needed? So it is a fun hobby!

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Offline hennabm  
#20 Posted : 20 March 2013 15:18:17(UTC)
hennabm

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Location: Edinburgh,
Hi all

I've bought a few from ebay recently over the past 3 years and price wasn't really the issue, so long as the model was as described.

The only reason I have a value on my models is for insurance purposes and resale value if my FD is left to sort it out, after I have moved on to a higher place.Crying

Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
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