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I've owned a circa 1913 Marklin live steam Donkey Engine for about 50 years and I have decided to sell it. Out of the blue came a substantial offer but I have no idea if it is a realistic value. Does anyone know of one being sold or auctioned recently and if so, what it went for? The only defects on it are the safety valve is not original and 2 of the lever handles have been replaced with brass rod..I can email pictures if anyone is interested
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Hi,
I assume you mean a stationary steam engine, could you post a picture/
Welcome to the forum BTY.
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Geoff (UK)
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Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom
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Welcome to the forum, keithh. |
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Joined: 16/11/2007(UTC)
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Hi, I tried to add a picture with my first entry but all I got was [img][/img] without any opportunity to insert the picture - that's why I offered to email them. What am I doing wrong?
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look at the completed auctions on ebay. Add a search to be notified when auctions come up and watch them to see how they end. |
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Hi, I tried to add a picture with my first entry but all I got was x without any opportunity to insert the picture - that's why I offered to email them. What am I doing wrong? Welcome to the forum. Read the follow topic and follow the steps. It's easy with imageshack. https://www.marklin-users.net/fo...ault.aspx?g=posts&t=5448
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Looks very nice. I honestly don't know too much about the stationary steam engines, but I would guess nothing over $1,200. This is only a guess.... Sort of looks like this one...to give you an idea. http://cgi.ebay.de/Maerk...WDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemThanks, William |
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Hi Keith,
I'am little bit confused about this engine because I cannot identify it so far. There are many details which look like MARKLIN and other details which are absoltly non-typical. Are there any markings on the engine? "MADE IN WURTTEMBERG" or "MADE IN GERMANY"? Could you please show detailed views of these markings?
Regards
Markus
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Joined: 03/04/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,605
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Yes, I thought about this as well. The gears/drive system are very typical for Marklin.
However the base and other parts look very different.
Thanks,
Bill |
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Hi, The label printed under the base says "A.W. GAMAGE LTD HOLBORN LONDON MADE IN GERMANY" I am only going by what I have been told to date by some helpful guys in the USA plus I found the picture at http://www.oldtoyz1.com/steamengines.htmlI also have a quote now that puts it at made in the 1930's. Confusion reigns! Quote 1 ****** From what I know, the donkey engines were made in 1913/14. Some had spoke wheels and no water glass. The one, with no glass, usually had a "level" valve for checking the low limit water level. There was a 2 cylinder version made in 1930. It looks that the engines made by Marklin, and others, that were sold through Gamege, differed from the ones sold direct from the factories. Some features were left off, maybe to meet Gamage's bid or to meet Gamage's special specs. Sears stores used to do the same thing and you would find that Craftsman lathes (made by Atlas), Polaroid cameras and other items would differ from the ones that you bought from other sources. ********** Quote 2 ******** That is a Marklin engine. The AW Gamage label signifies that it was originally sold in the UK - Gamages (a large department/toy store in London) was the primary distributor in the UK. If you look at my Ernst Plank page, you can find a turbine engine that also carries the Gamages label. That particular engine was probably made in the 1930's. 
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Very interesting...I have never seen this kind of engine before.
Thanks for the information,
Bill |
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Joined: 16/11/2007(UTC)
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Hi Marcus,
Did the printed label help identify it? Do you know if the museum has an email address - perhaps they have some old catalogues or manufacturing documentation
Keith
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Hi Keith,
I'am very sure now that it is really a Marklin model. I own many catalogues, also pre WWI, but so far I was not able to find it back. I but I will keep on searching.
Is there any number on the boiler?
Regards
Markus
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Joined: 16/11/2007(UTC)
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Hi Marcus,
I've searched all over it and can't find a number anywhere which I find strange. I would have expected to find either a serial number or a model number. Was it usual for pre WWII toys not to be marked up?
Best wishes
Keith
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Hi Keith, usually all Marklin-toys after ~1911 are marked. Usually with the shield shown at http://www.maerklin.de/unternehmen/pict/logo3.gif . At steam-engines there was a small plate solded on the boiler, showing the mark and the class (diameter of the boiler in cms) of the engine. But that could be lost. I contacted some specialists here in Germany. I think we will solve this in the next days. You can contact the Marklin-museum. But in the last years I never got a useful answer. In the worst case a "specialist" from Marklin contacted me, forwarding my own question (anonyminized) to me to answer. ;-) So your E-Mail to Marklin is already written. The guys which could know are contacted. Maybe some of them will contact you with a serious offer. Regards Markus
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Wow...this search is getting very serious. I am interested to see the final result.
Thanks,
Bill
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What a treat to see, a beautiful machine. I look forward to the outcome of this search. |
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Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg
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Hi Keith, This is either a Marklin 4113/6 (24cms high) or a 4113/7 (31 cms high). You are right. Your engine is from 1913 and was offered exclusivly in the 1913 GAMAGE catalogue. Not elsewhere. It was exclusivly made by Marklin for GAMAGE. But the engine appeared again in the worldwide assortement from 1929 to 1934. I don't know why. In the 1930s that engine appeared really oldfashioned. From D7 (1930):  I don't do any valuations, sorry. Regards Markus
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Hi Marcus - you are amazing - thank you so much for your help. Do I take it that D7(1930) refers to a Marklin sales catalogue for 1930. If that is the case, with this picture almost identical apart from the solid flywheel what makes you so sure mine is from 1913.
(Just out of interest my model is 27cm tall)
Keith
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Hi Keith,
yes, D7(1930) means the number of the catalogue "D" for customer, "7" for seventh edition and 1930 for the year.
Yes, the spoked wheel, the missing of Marklin markings (instead GAMAGE-Mark) and some other detals make me very sure.
I will get the scan from the 1913 Gamage-catalogue soon. Maybe this will also solve the cm - difference. Could you please also measure the diameter of the boiler in cms?
Regards
Markus
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Hi Markus,
The boiler is 7.5cm dia.
Keith
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Hi Markus,
Any luck with the 1913 Gamages catalogue yet?
Keith
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Followed this thread with interest. A small suggestion...If you don't have access to the 1913 Gamage's catalog through the forum, you might try the British Library. They have a brief excerpt from the catalog in their online text section-most likely they have the physical copy at the main branch in London. Maybe something to check next time you are in London. I was there last year and the facility is amazing.
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Hi stenscience,
Thanks for that although I am a bit embarrassed that it takes a guy from the USA to tell me of a facility here in London
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Quote:[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by keithh
<br />Hi Markus,
Any luck with the 1913 Gamages catalogue yet?
Keith
Hi Keith, yes and no. Today I bought my personal copy of the 1974 reprint of the 1913 catalogue on Ebay. The postal service from GB to Germany is very fast, usually not longer than four days. So if I don't get the scans from another source, I will do them myself on Saturday. Regards Markus
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Hi Keith and all, the postal service was slower than I expected. It took eight days from Yorkshire to southern Germany (142kms a day). That 1974 reprint of the "GAMAGE'S CHRISTMAS BAZAAR 1913" is a very interesting addition for every Marklin-collector. I didn't knew that book before. It is thick, 500 pages with about 40 pages of tin toys and more than 150 pages of toys at all. And yes, I found the back engine, it is on page 29 and was at 10 shillings 9 pence one of the mid range engines. Prices started at 1/0, smalller engines were ~ 3 or 4 shillings, the best continental one was priced 79/6.  Regards Markus
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Thanks Markus,
I finally put it on eBay tonight.
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Hi, I am new on here, and am very interested in this thread- My father has 3 Marklin stationaries, all from new- this must therefore be from the 1930s. This is the number 6 size- stamped on the Marklin plate.   He also has another more modern looking verticle and a horizontal with a green lamp and generator attached. Currently the "donkey" is featuring in the engine of the month (sorry couldnt resist the ad  http://modelsteam.myfree...uary_2008_about7628.html
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Welcome to the forum, atticman.  |
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy. |
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Welcome, atticman. Beautiful model. |
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Originally Posted by: atticman  Hi, I am new on here, and am very interested in this thread- My father has 3 Marklin stationaries, all from new- this must therefore be from the 1930s. This is the number 6 size- stamped on the Marklin plate. He also has another more modern looking verticle and a horizontal with a green lamp and generator attached. Currently the "donkey" is featuring in the engine of the month (sorry couldnt resist the ad http://modelsteam.myfree...uary_2008_about7628.html Hello Are you perhaps sale this Donkey steam engine ? Thanks for answer Kind regards
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Originally Posted by: fido Originally Posted by: atticman Hi, I am new on here, and am very interested in this thread- My father has 3 Marklin stationaries, all from new- this must therefore be from the 1930s. This is the number 6 size- stamped on the Marklin plate. (snip images) He also has another more modern looking verticle and a horizontal with a green lamp and generator attached. Currently the "donkey" is featuring in the engine of the month (sorry couldnt resist the ad http://modelsteam.myfree...uary_2008_about7628.html Hello Are you perhaps sale this Donkey steam engine ? Thanks for answer Kind regards Hi fido, welcome That posting from
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was way back in December 2007 - almost 11 years ago. He has not been active here since so you are possibly out of luck. |
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