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#51 Posted : 04 October 2012 10:26:51(UTC)
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Great videos, Mehmet. I really enjoyed the ferry/rail trip. I imagine it's quite difficult to line
up the ferry to the tracks? PeterSmile ThumpUp


Hello Peter,

Within the coming videos you will see the difficulties....RollEyes Just keep an eye....Smile

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#52 Posted : 04 October 2012 10:37:03(UTC)
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Mehmet,

Fantastic videos and pictures. During a trip to Istanbul I saw them offloading wagons at Haydarpasa station from the ferry, great to see it finally documented.

I heard recently a rumour that there had been a bid fire at Haydarpasa station, was this correct, I must say the station looks great from you photos, as does the food.........lovely. It would have been a pleasure to join you especially if we could have had some borek to start.

Please keep your photos coming very interesting.

Best Regards,

Glenn


Hello Glenn,

Yes, recently Haydarpasa Station has had a fire....but fortunately it was not a big one....only some part of the roof was burnt....Crying

About the food you are most welcome anytime.....but Borek never goes with Kebab.....BigGrin

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#53 Posted : 04 October 2012 10:50:00(UTC)
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#54 Posted : 04 October 2012 12:11:07(UTC)
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#55 Posted : 04 October 2012 12:45:00(UTC)
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#56 Posted : 04 October 2012 12:52:11(UTC)
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Mehmet,

Fantastic videos and pictures. During a trip to Istanbul I saw them offloading wagons at Haydarpasa station from the ferry, great to see it finally documented.

I heard recently a rumour that there had been a bid fire at Haydarpasa station, was this correct, I must say the station looks great from you photos, as does the food.........lovely. It would have been a pleasure to join you especially if we could have had some borek to start.

Please keep your photos coming very interesting.

Best Regards,

Glenn


Hello Glenn,

Yes, recently Haydarpasa Station has had a fire....but fortunately it was not a big one....only some part of the roof was burnt....Crying

About the food you are most welcome anytime.....but Borek never goes with Kebab.....BigGrin

Cheers,

mehmet



Mehmet,

That is good news to here that the damage did not do too much damage, as with all great buildings, it would have been better if the fire did not happen at all.

As for the Borek I fear you are right, but recently at by favourate Turkish restaurant in London I enjoyed Borek starter, followed by Kofta kebab. What can I say I am a heathen...........BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

All the best and please keep you great photos coming

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#57 Posted : 04 October 2012 12:59:00(UTC)
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Mehmet,

Fantastic videos and pictures. During a trip to Istanbul I saw them offloading wagons at Haydarpasa station from the ferry, great to see it finally documented.

I heard recently a rumour that there had been a bid fire at Haydarpasa station, was this correct, I must say the station looks great from you photos, as does the food.........lovely. It would have been a pleasure to join you especially if we could have had some borek to start.

Please keep your photos coming very interesting.

Best Regards,

Glenn


Hello Glenn,

Yes, recently Haydarpasa Station has had a fire....but fortunately it was not a big one....only some part of the roof was burnt....Crying

About the food you are most welcome anytime.....but Borek never goes with Kebab.....BigGrin

Cheers,

mehmet



Mehmet,

That is good news to here that the damage did not do too much damage, as with all great buildings, it would have been better if the fire did not happen at all.

As for the Borek I fear you are right, but recently at by favourate Turkish restaurant in London I enjoyed Borek starter, followed by Kofta kebab. What can I say I am a heathen...........BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

All the best and please keep you great photos coming

Best Regards

Glenn


Hi Glenn,

Yes, you are so right by saying 'it would have been better if the fire did not happen at all.'Sad

....and a little thing about borek(börek).....a real borek cannot be a starter....it would make a real main-course....RollEyes but you have got to be at real borek-place...we try one day if you like.....Smile

Picture and videos will be coming , hope to not make anyone bored....Blushing

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#58 Posted : 04 October 2012 13:04:37(UTC)
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#59 Posted : 04 October 2012 15:53:15(UTC)
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#60 Posted : 04 October 2012 15:55:23(UTC)
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#61 Posted : 04 October 2012 15:57:07(UTC)
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#62 Posted : 04 October 2012 15:58:39(UTC)
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#63 Posted : 04 October 2012 18:38:24(UTC)
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Hi Mehmet. Those videos were quite good! I would imagine that it is not too good for the wheels
of those container wagons to hit that bump in the rails between ferry and real ground? Anyway,
it was great to watch. The worker hanging off the last wagon has to watch for a possible derailment,
I Guess? Thanks again for the great tour! PeterThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp Smile

PS - You know if one had a very large layout it would be great to model that scene.
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#64 Posted : 04 October 2012 19:02:47(UTC)
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Hi Glenn,

Yes, you are so right by saying 'it would have been better if the fire did not happen at all.'Sad

....and a little thing about borek(börek).....a real borek cannot be a starter....it would make a real main-course....RollEyes but you have got to be at real borek-place...we try one day if you like.....Smile

Picture and videos will be coming , hope to not make anyone bored....Blushing

Cheers,

mehmet





Mehmet,

It would be a pleasure to taste some fine Turkish cuisine and talk Marklin. Maybe one day I will make it back to Istanbul.

All the Best

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#65 Posted : 05 October 2012 10:11:31(UTC)
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Hi Glenn,

Yes, you are so right by saying 'it would have been better if the fire did not happen at all.'Sad

....and a little thing about borek(börek).....a real borek cannot be a starter....it would make a real main-course....RollEyes but you have got to be at real borek-place...we try one day if you like.....Smile

Picture and videos will be coming , hope to not make anyone bored....Blushing

Cheers,

mehmet





Mehmet,

It would be a pleasure to taste some fine Turkish cuisine and talk Marklin. Maybe one day I will make it back to Istanbul.

All the Best

Glenn


You are most welcome anytime, Glenn....Smile

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#66 Posted : 05 October 2012 13:07:53(UTC)
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Hi Mehmet. Those videos were quite good! I would imagine that it is not too good for the wheels
of those container wagons to hit that bump in the rails between ferry and real ground? Anyway,
it was great to watch. The worker hanging off the last wagon has to watch for a possible derailment,
I Guess? Thanks again for the great tour! PeterThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp Smile

PS - You know if one had a very large layout it would be great to model that scene.


Hi Peter,

Things run in Turkey in a funny way....you are so right by saying that big bump and the worker....Sad

Just be prepared for the return trip.....Smile

I always had the idea of this on my layout but you need a big place for that....RollEyes

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#67 Posted : 06 October 2012 12:42:44(UTC)
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...new wagons are coming....LOL


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#68 Posted : 06 October 2012 12:48:48(UTC)
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....hesitated for a moment, but found enough courage to ask for the permission to go into the cabin....Blushing



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#69 Posted : 06 October 2012 12:51:53(UTC)
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#70 Posted : 06 October 2012 12:55:46(UTC)
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Was the loco in the second video one of those little Br 260s?


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#71 Posted : 07 October 2012 06:40:04(UTC)
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Many thanks Mehmet! Is that the same type of loco we saw in the Haydarpasa yard? It does look a bit like a Br260/360, to me anyway.

Does the TCDD ever move locos across the Bosporus on the train ferries?
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#72 Posted : 07 October 2012 13:19:08(UTC)
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Many thanks Mehmet! Is that the same type of loco we saw in the Haydarpasa yard? It does look a bit like a Br260/360, to me anyway.

Does the TCDD ever move locos across the Bosporus on the train ferries?


Hi Gary,

This was the diesel loco we saw in the Haydarpasa Yard.....Smile



...and also we saw this one.....Smile



İf it is needed they move locos across the Bosphorus,too.....Smile

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#73 Posted : 09 October 2012 11:17:01(UTC)
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#74 Posted : 09 October 2012 11:19:29(UTC)
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#75 Posted : 09 October 2012 11:41:45(UTC)
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#76 Posted : 10 October 2012 10:18:36(UTC)
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#77 Posted : 10 October 2012 10:20:43(UTC)
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#78 Posted : 10 October 2012 10:23:23(UTC)
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#79 Posted : 10 October 2012 10:25:18(UTC)
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#80 Posted : 11 October 2012 12:05:45(UTC)
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#81 Posted : 11 October 2012 12:09:22(UTC)
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#82 Posted : 11 October 2012 12:27:33(UTC)
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Many thanks Mehmet for the photos and videos. I see the difference in the locos now.
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#83 Posted : 11 October 2012 19:16:36(UTC)
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Many thanks Mehmet for the photos and videos. I see the difference in the locos now.


While filming videos and taking pictures, I always remember our visit to Haydarpasa.....BigGrin

Cheers Gary,

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#84 Posted : 14 October 2012 12:45:52(UTC)
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Hi Mehmet,

Coming from a country that wasn't linked to the European railway network, other than by ferries, before the Øresundsbron was opened in 2000, I've found your photos and videos very interesting.

One thing which struck me is the fact that the ferry docks directly to a quay without a landing bridge. This tells me that the water level must be very constant in the Bosporus.

An example of a landing bridge is shown here (photos shown on a Swedish railway forum):

Trelleborg F

Trelleborg F

The design of the landing bridge is such that it can compensate for varying water levels. The photos show a bridge at Trelleborg F, an old railway ferry harbour having been in use for train ferries since 1909 to Sassnitz in Germany and today also to Rostock in Germany, having crossings of 4h00 to Sassnitz and 6h15 to Rostock across the southern Baltic. In the Baltic the tide is normally not noticeable. The water levels in the Baltic may however easily differ about a metre if for instance strong winds coming from north to north-north-west push water through the Danish Baelts and Sounds. This type of weather may occur quite often with low pressure systems passing from the British Isles, the North Sea and the Scandinavian Peninsula. When such a weather system has left the Swedish east coast, moving either towards Finland, Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania, the low pressure itself causes the sea level to rise and the winds on "the back side" of the weather system pushes water through the Danish Baelts and Sounds.

Here is a weather forecast map for Monday October 15th (and I don't know for how long the link stays valid):

SVT väder

On this map the low pressure system will move north from the Copenhagen area in Denmark over Sweden and not east over the Baltic, thus meaning the winds behind the weather system will not be suitable to push water down the Danish Baelts and Sounds.
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#85 Posted : 14 October 2012 15:13:27(UTC)
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Hi Western Pacific,BigGrin

As you said the water level is very constant in the Bosporus. The only problem the weight of the wagons.....I was told that if the wagons are too bulky or heavy, the fery pumps in / out water from her tanks....but please do not compare those modern systems with this primitive system in Istanbul.....Blushing Blushing

Thanks for the interest, too....BigGrin

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#86 Posted : 14 October 2012 21:44:19(UTC)
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Hi Western Pacific and thanks for the photos. That's a remarkable turnout on the ferry. Or is it on the bridge?
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#87 Posted : 14 October 2012 21:46:12(UTC)
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Hi Mehmet. Whether or not the system used by the Bosporus ferry is primitive I couldn't really say, the point is that it works and is easy to maintain (unlike some modern systems I could name).
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#88 Posted : 15 October 2012 00:37:09(UTC)
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Hi Western Pacific and thanks for the photos. That's a remarkable turnout on the ferry. Or is it on the bridge?


Hi Gary,

If you look closely you may see that there are two sets of turnouts and they are located on the second part of the bridge. The ferries have five tracks and looking from the shore side, the first set is used for going to tracks 1, 3 or 5 and the second set for going to tracks 2, 3 or 4.

The bridge is resting on supports being large bearings by the shore and then are more bearing at the smaller arch, meaning that the bridge can be adjusted in order to not have too sharp horizontal curves, where passenger coaches or long freight wagons otherwise may risk hitting the ground or the bridge. In other words there are three points where there can be sharper horizontal bends to the track (and short gaps), at the land side, at the middle of the bridge and at the connexion between the bridge and the ferry. If you take a look at the video that I have put a link to in my posting "Berlin Night Express", then you can clearly hear the "clonks" when the coach goes over these points and you even see there is a bump when entering the ferry.

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#89 Posted : 15 October 2012 09:20:15(UTC)
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Hi Mehmet. Whether or not the system used by the Bosporus ferry is primitive I couldn't really say, the point is that it works and is easy to maintain (unlike some modern systems I could name).


Hi Gary,

This system has been used since early 1960's.....Thank for your kind interest.....Smile

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#90 Posted : 15 October 2012 09:56:15(UTC)
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#91 Posted : 23 October 2012 13:58:02(UTC)
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#92 Posted : 23 October 2012 14:01:26(UTC)
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#93 Posted : 23 October 2012 14:05:49(UTC)
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from left The Blue Mosque, The St.Sophia, The Topkapı Palace, The Golden Horn, The Galata Tower and the Tower of Leander.....Smile

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#94 Posted : 24 October 2012 14:02:31(UTC)
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...half way we pass the Bosphorus, we meet the other ferry (Demiryolu II), loaded with some high sliding walls wagons to Europe.....Smile
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