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Offline laalves  
#1 Posted : 20 July 2007 00:48:35(UTC)
laalves


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Location: Portugal
Hi all,

I arrived from Rio last Saturday and a package with my 4 SB-Modellbau motor kits were waiting for me, as well as a few 21-pin decoder adapters at my dealer.

So, in the last few days, I've been busy:

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3796 E19: One of the most beautiful electrics ever, now featuring a Märklin mfx sound decoder, removed from a RE460, 21-pole adapter and a Maxon motor.

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2666 BR80: It actually all fits inside! Loksoundmfx (hardwired, no room for plugs), tightly packed into a slot milled in the inside of the bolier, 28mm speaker into grooves in the chassis, plus the Maxon motor.

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37654 BR260: Isn't this the neatest, most nicely packed BR260 ever? It features a Maxon motor, a 21 pole adapter into a standard 6090 decoder clip and a Lopilotmfx.

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Brawa BR56: Unfortunately, the above is only a scan of the instruction sheet, since I forgot to shoot a picture of the lok before I closed it and it's a bugger to open and close this thing biggrin. Inside, there's a Faulhaber motor.

Everything is working fine, except that I don't have my CS and no means of programming the decoders to adapt them to the special characteristics of these motors. Even so, they run like a charm, silent, smooth, powerful.

All of these involved extensive milling, except the BR56, which is a drop fit. The BR56 compensates this for being one of the most difficult loks to open ever, and the instructions are completely wrong in that respect.

Luis
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Offline Pianne  
#2 Posted : 20 July 2007 01:22:19(UTC)
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Magnificent!
Congratulations, Luis!
Kind regards,
Pieter-Jan
Bruges, Belgium.
Offline Webmaster  
#3 Posted : 20 July 2007 01:27:35(UTC)
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Magnificient!

Since I have a 2666 BR80, and also the 3796 E19, what are the part #s needed for these?

Do you maybe have a pic of the milling needed in the BR80?
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes. He who does not ask a question remains a fool forever. [Old Chinese Proverb]
Offline laalves  
#4 Posted : 20 July 2007 02:22:09(UTC)
laalves


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Hi webmaster,

2666 BR80:

SB-Modellbau: 22057
ESU Loksoundmfx 63400
ESU speaker 28mm
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3796 E19

SB-Modellbau: 22075
Märklin standard 6090 decoder clip (original one)
Märklin 21-pole adapter: 611868

BTW, from the webpage, all 3 Märklin kits I bought are supposed to come with Faulhaber motors, ref. 1319, but all my samples were Maxon 310414.

I'm now also considering a double motor kit for my BR602.

Luis
Offline jonquinn  
#5 Posted : 20 July 2007 03:31:21(UTC)
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What kind of milling machine do you use Laalves? I suppose any kind will do but just wondering what you use (if it is one of the smaller hobby size ones) and if you would recommend it to others. I have been considering a sherline one for a while.
Offline laalves  
#6 Posted : 20 July 2007 03:46:56(UTC)
laalves


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<br />What kind of milling machine do you use Laalves? I suppose any kind will do but just wondering what you use (if it is one of the smaller hobby size ones) and if you would recommend it to others. I have been considering a sherline one for a while.


Hi,

I have a Proxxon MF70. It's a small machine, but quite good for its price: 250€. If you have little room (or money) for a proper full size milling machine, I recommend this one.

Luis
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Offline steventrain  
#7 Posted : 20 July 2007 09:38:18(UTC)
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Congratulations, LuisSmile
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline jonquinn  
#8 Posted : 20 July 2007 15:46:02(UTC)
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do the instructions for the new motors give some idea how much to mill out, or at least say how high above an existing gear transmission the motor shoudl be mounted?
otherwise there must be some trial and error involved - test fitting to see if motor and gears are properly engaged?
Offline Webmaster  
#9 Posted : 20 July 2007 16:32:33(UTC)
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Thanks Luis! Smile
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline laalves  
#10 Posted : 20 July 2007 21:21:56(UTC)
laalves


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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jonquinn
<br />do the instructions for the new motors give some idea how much to mill out, or at least say how high above an existing gear transmission the motor shoudl be mounted?
otherwise there must be some trial and error involved - test fitting to see if motor and gears are properly engaged?


Hi,

As you can see above for the BR80 case, usually they send out a couple of A4 sheets with dimensioned drawings and pictures. That's pretty much what you need, although I recommend that you study the chassis carefully against the motor kit.

When it comes to gear engagement, it's pretty much trial and error, but that's easy, since you don't need to fasten the motor to the chassis, gluing it with epoxy is enough, which means you have time to adjust the motor back and forth until engagement is correct. It should be relatively loose with decent backlash, it's all a matter of feeling what's right and getting the transmission to rotate freely, making the motor turn by hand using the flywheel.

Regarding performance, these SB kits result quite better than Märklin's own models with Faulhabers (BR18.1, BR59, etc) or even Maxon (BR05, BR45) since they all come with flywheels, which is not the case of the Märklin models.

Luis
Offline laalves  
#11 Posted : 25 July 2007 05:57:48(UTC)
laalves


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BTW, on order I now have SB Modellbau kits for the following:

2 x BR44 (1 x 34880 and 34883 off ebay this week)
1 x Köf II (Brawa)
1 x BR602 (2 motors kit)
1 x BR41 (my very first Märklin lok, included in a starterset)
1 x E91 (the new for 2006 37196)

I expect these to be here when I'm back from Rio in September, I'll post a couple of pics by then.

The plan is actually to replace all 5-star motors from my Märklin fleet. Too noisy, too much maintenance, not really smooth [}:)]biggrin[}:)]....

Luis
Offline Maxi  
#12 Posted : 25 July 2007 07:09:44(UTC)
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<br />Regarding performance, these SB kits result quite better than Märklin's own models with Faulhabers (BR18.1, BR59, etc) or even Maxon (BR05, BR45) since they all come with flywheels, which is not the case of the Märklin models.

Luis


I agree as I just put a SB kit in a Trix Express V200 locomotive which I converted to run on my Marklin layout and the performance is fantastic even with just a decoder out of the box with no fine tuning.

Maxi
Offline laalves  
#13 Posted : 10 August 2007 13:16:16(UTC)
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And a few more sb-modellbau for my fleet:

E91 37196

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Köf II (this is a Brawa, it's not possible to install a sb-modellbau kit into the Märklin's Köf models)

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BR602 37606, two motor kit. Here the bogies are disassembled, ready to be milled.

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Three more. The two below are for my Delta BR44 (34880 and 34882) the one above for a Delta starterset BR41. All of them are getting Telex too.

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All the bits removed of my converted loks will be ebayed to help finance the new motors biggrin.
Offline intruder  
#14 Posted : 10 August 2007 13:41:08(UTC)
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Nice work, Luis.
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline David Dewar  
#15 Posted : 11 August 2007 00:37:45(UTC)
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Really excellent work Luis. I could never manage this myself and I envy your skills in this respect. My limit is a change of decoder and that is about it.

David
Take care I like Marklin and will defend the worlds greatest model rail manufacturer.
Offline DasBert33  
#16 Posted : 11 August 2007 09:51:06(UTC)
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Quote:
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All the bits removed of my converted loks will be ebayed to help finance the new motors biggrin.


Can you tell me what auctions, or how much you want for them? I might be interested!

Bert
Offline laalves  
#17 Posted : 11 August 2007 15:02:54(UTC)
laalves


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I will, but it will only happen in 5 weeks. Tomorrow I'll fly to Rio and will be there for 5 weeks....
Offline laalves  
#18 Posted : 11 August 2007 15:14:39(UTC)
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A few more pics. The last ones for a long time, until I get back and get to work on the BR44s and BR41 and finish the Köf, I have no suitable decoder for this last one, and my dealer is on vacation.

The photos belong to the BR602. It's now tested and works marvelously, smooth and silent.

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Offline hqstu  
#19 Posted : 19 September 2007 12:07:50(UTC)
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Here's a pic from conversions underway in NZ...

A RE4/4 and E18 Bogies. My BR111 kit waits in the background...

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Cheers

Stuart
New Zealand
Offline laalves  
#20 Posted : 20 September 2007 01:24:58(UTC)
laalves


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Beautiful, hqstu!

These kits are great, both in performance and price ([xx(][xx(]).

My work in my BR41, Brawa Köf II and BR44 is undergoing, I will post piccies when I have the time.

Luis
Offline jonquinn  
#21 Posted : 21 September 2007 05:47:02(UTC)
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are you getting a commission from SB Modellbau, Luis?

you made me go out and buy one for a Lima Bm4/4 (not a bad model for a Lima, but I need to figure out how to install some real lights on the loco - it just has fake molded on ones, and I will be getting a few more to try my hand at motorizing those cool Kibri track maintenance kits, among others. I intend to upgrade an old Lima railcar (VT12 I think, it looks like the VT09 but its an electric), two liliput steamers I have, and a couple of Piko steamers.
I would like to do up my marklin F7's too.
Offline foumaro  
#22 Posted : 21 September 2007 10:26:53(UTC)
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I am imressed with the facility that Luis solves all his problem
with electrics,decoders,motors.Congratulations Luis.biggrin
Offline laalves  
#23 Posted : 21 September 2007 23:13:59(UTC)
laalves


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<br />are you getting a commission from SB Modellbau, Luis?


Most unfortunately not... [:(]

I'd love to have at least a special discount, but not even that. [V]
Offline laalves  
#24 Posted : 21 September 2007 23:15:56(UTC)
laalves


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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by foumaro
<br />I am imressed with the facility that Luis solves all his problem
with electrics,decoders,motors.Congratulations Luis.biggrin


Thank you for your kind words! However, given the proper tools, the average modeller can do what I've done, so don't be afraid to try it. Some of these conversions will be easily done with just a hacksaw and a Dremel. Others will require a milling machine.
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