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 Joined: 30/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: Sunnmøre, Norway
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Okay, I'm pretty much a noob at this. This is my first conversion. I know a bit about electronics. I have 5 märklin locomotives, where 2 is working properly. This loco is NOT one of them,  I got it from eBay, with a broken reverse coil, so I opened it and unsoldereed like everything. I want it to run on both a digital layout and an analog layout, and I might want it to smoke, and I wonder if this is possible on both analog and digital or delta circuits. There is a drum-style commutator.  I want it to be pretty cheap, too.  Thanks for any advice, Jon Håvard (Dear Webmaster, please move this wherever you want.) Edited by user 02 August 2012 02:33:02(UTC)
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This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts.
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Originally Posted by: tulit  This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. agreed, but.... no function to add the smoke unit. another option is the 60760 withouth the decoder, always at sale on ebay. and buy the decoder of your preference. you can add the smoke unit right now or do it later.... cheers |
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Joined: 30/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: Sunnmøre, Norway
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Originally Posted by: tulit This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. This is the kit I was thinking of using at first, but I did'nt know if it worked on both analog and digital. Thanks! Originally Posted by: franciscohg
agreed, but....
no function to add the smoke unit.
another option is the 60760 withouth the decoder, always at sale on ebay. and buy the decoder of your preference.
you can add the smoke unit right now or do it later....
cheers
The smoke unit is not really important for me right now. Thanks! ------------ I think I'll go for the 60760 kit, and if I need to add a smoke unit later, then I'll just buy another decoder. The most important is to get it on the track, running. :) But... Another question.. Is it possible to have a smoke unit working in both analog and digital mode? EDIT: I forgot... Is there any switch or DIPswitches to switch between analog and digital mode, or is this fully automatic? |
Regards, Jon Håvard :) |
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 Joined: 16/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 124 Location: Bergamo - italy
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All decoders recognize automatically when they are fed in analogue mode (only old Delta decoders needed a special set-up of dip switches).
Modern decoders have the possibility to switch many functions also when in analogue mode: need to check the manual of each decoder.
The decoder included in 60760 kit have the possibility to add functions, but it requires some experience in electronics: if you are still interested, I'll send you a dedicated link
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Joined: 30/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: Sunnmøre, Norway
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Originally Posted by: eroncelli All decoders recognize automatically when they are fed in analogue mode (only old Delta decoders needed a special set-up of dip switches).
Modern decoders have the possibility to switch many functions also when in analogue mode: need to check the manual of each decoder.
The decoder included in 60760 kit have the possibility to add functions, but it requires some experience in electronics: if you are still interested, I'll send you a dedicated link I'm interested, thanks for the answer :) |
Regards, Jon Håvard :) |
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Originally Posted by: tulit This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. agreed, but.... no function to add the smoke unit. Although it may not be strictly recommended (there's likely some risk you may damage the decoder as there's no overcurrent protection on these), I have successfully run smoke units on this decoder by connecting it to the front light output. Seems to work fine. I measured the current draw of the smoke generator and it was well under the max rating of the light output. So if you really wanted smoke, it is possible.
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Joined: 30/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: Sunnmøre, Norway
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Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: franciscohg Originally Posted by: tulit This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. agreed, but.... no function to add the smoke unit. Although it may not be strictly recommended (there's likely some risk you may damage the decoder as there's no overcurrent protection on these), I have successfully run smoke units on this decoder by connecting it to the front light output. Seems to work fine. I measured the current draw of the smoke generator and it was well under the max rating of the light output. So if you really wanted smoke, it is possible. Thanks a lot. Do you think they got these decoders in stores, or do I have to buy them online? |
Regards, Jon Håvard :) |
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Joined: 30/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: Sunnmøre, Norway
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Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: franciscohg Originally Posted by: tulit This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. agreed, but.... no function to add the smoke unit. Although it may not be strictly recommended (there's likely some risk you may damage the decoder as there's no overcurrent protection on these), I have successfully run smoke units on this decoder by connecting it to the front light output. Seems to work fine. I measured the current draw of the smoke generator and it was well under the max rating of the light output. So if you really wanted smoke, it is possible. I just read this post: https://www.marklin-user...problem---need-help.aspx"tiono" says that there is an external output, I wonder if this is activated in analog mode? Edit: Sorry for double posting. |
Regards, Jon Håvard :) |
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Originally Posted by: sevs Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: franciscohg Originally Posted by: tulit This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. agreed, but.... no function to add the smoke unit. Although it may not be strictly recommended (there's likely some risk you may damage the decoder as there's no overcurrent protection on these), I have successfully run smoke units on this decoder by connecting it to the front light output. Seems to work fine. I measured the current draw of the smoke generator and it was well under the max rating of the light output. So if you really wanted smoke, it is possible. Thanks a lot. Do you think they got these decoders in stores, or do I have to buy them online? Not too sure. All of my local Marklin dealers always stock them. I think it's a pretty common/popular item.
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Joined: 30/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: Sunnmøre, Norway
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Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: sevs Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: franciscohg Originally Posted by: tulit This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. agreed, but.... no function to add the smoke unit. Although it may not be strictly recommended (there's likely some risk you may damage the decoder as there's no overcurrent protection on these), I have successfully run smoke units on this decoder by connecting it to the front light output. Seems to work fine. I measured the current draw of the smoke generator and it was well under the max rating of the light output. So if you really wanted smoke, it is possible. Thanks a lot. Do you think they got these decoders in stores, or do I have to buy them online? Not too sure. All of my local Marklin dealers always stock them. I think it's a pretty common/popular item. Thanks! Oh, and if I want an electronic Relex coupling, is there any more outputs? Edited by user 01 August 2012 15:48:23(UTC)
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Regards, Jon Håvard :) |
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Hi Jon, Welcome to the forum.  |
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Joined: 30/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: Sunnmøre, Norway
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Hi Jon, Welcome to the forum. Thanks, Steven. I've seen some of your posts before I got to be a member here.  Be safe. Regards, Jon Håvard |
Regards, Jon Håvard :) |
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Originally Posted by: sevs Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: sevs Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: franciscohg Originally Posted by: tulit This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. agreed, but.... no function to add the smoke unit. Although it may not be strictly recommended (there's likely some risk you may damage the decoder as there's no overcurrent protection on these), I have successfully run smoke units on this decoder by connecting it to the front light output. Seems to work fine. I measured the current draw of the smoke generator and it was well under the max rating of the light output. So if you really wanted smoke, it is possible. Thanks a lot. Do you think they got these decoders in stores, or do I have to buy them online? Not too sure. All of my local Marklin dealers always stock them. I think it's a pretty common/popular item. Thanks! Oh, and if I want an electronic Telex coupling, is there any more outputs? Only if you do the hardware hacks you linked to already. If you're looking for more outputs, including a proper smoke output, you might want to jump to one of the ESU decoders, or something from the Marklin mLD line. They aren't too expensive either (decoder price alone is probably in the 40 euro range). You can always start with the basic decoder in the 60760 kit and easily upgrade to something better (maybe even with sound) in the future if you decide you really like the train. That is what I usually do. Note the 60760 kit is a pretty good value since it includes the motor upgrade which you need too -- basically you almost get the included decoder for free.
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Joined: 30/07/2012(UTC) Posts: 63 Location: Sunnmøre, Norway
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Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: sevs Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: sevs Originally Posted by: tulit Originally Posted by: franciscohg Originally Posted by: tulit This one is an easy one to convert. One of the cheapest/quickest way is to just pick up the Marklin 60760 conversion kit. Cost is only about 35 euro for everything you'll need.
It includes the parts to upgrade the motor to a 5 pole high eff. plus a decent, but basic decoder. I'd stay away from Delta if you can.
It'll work fine on both digital as well as analog layouts. agreed, but.... no function to add the smoke unit. Although it may not be strictly recommended (there's likely some risk you may damage the decoder as there's no overcurrent protection on these), I have successfully run smoke units on this decoder by connecting it to the front light output. Seems to work fine. I measured the current draw of the smoke generator and it was well under the max rating of the light output. So if you really wanted smoke, it is possible. Thanks a lot. Do you think they got these decoders in stores, or do I have to buy them online? Not too sure. All of my local Marklin dealers always stock them. I think it's a pretty common/popular item. Thanks! Oh, and if I want an electronic Relex coupling, is there any more outputs? Only if you do the hardware hacks you linked to already. If you're looking for more outputs, including a proper smoke output, you might want to jump to one of the ESU decoders, or something from the Marklin mLD line. They aren't too expensive either (decoder price alone is probably in the 40 euro range). You can always start with the basic decoder in the 60760 kit and easily upgrade to something better (maybe even with sound) in the future if you decide you really like the train. That is what I usually do. Note the 60760 kit is a pretty good value since it includes the motor upgrade which you need too -- basically you almost get the included decoder for free. Yeah, you're right. I'l go for the 60760 anyway, and I think I'll upgrade it with sound and new couplers in the future, probably next year. |
Regards, Jon Håvard :) |
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 Joined: 21/02/2012(UTC) Posts: 38 Location: New Boston
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Hello Jon if you try to rebuild the first time i would go with the 60760, i did  . They are very easy and simple to install and for me with not to much experience it was the best to go for. So far i did three conversations ( Marklin 3042, 3155 and today a V36 from set 28631) All worked great and without any problems. The V36 was a little bit tricky because of space but still it runs great ( even with just one little 1/3 of the bar on the MS2 it moved). Just make sure when you have everything apart that your gears are very easy to turn and nothing is dirty or to loose. Give everything a good clean and then assemble it. Greetings Harno
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ESU lokpilot decoders are about 27 euro inc VAT MWST or whatever. that is lokshop price.
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Originally Posted by: intruder Hei Svein Most of my stuff is bought there, and it's not bad for such a decoder. Originally Posted by: intruder I think I have seen it, great site ;) Good luck :) |
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