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Offline sikardon  
#1 Posted : 16 June 2012 08:28:08(UTC)
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Hello,

My friend have Maerklin 28506, which is still in delta. Can I run these delta train on my digital layout using MS2 as controller?

Also if I want to convert it to digital, which Maerklin item I need to buy?

I have browse Maerklin website, and found this items.
60760
60942
60962

What are the differences of those items? Can I use this item to convert 28506 to digital, or do I need another items?

If I want to add sound function, can I use this item 60945?

Many thanks.

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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 16 June 2012 08:36:00(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: sikardon Go to Quoted Post
Can I run these delta train on my digital layout using MS2 as controller?
Delta is digital and you should be able to run it (make sure the DIP switches on the decoder are set correctly).
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Offline sikardon  
#3 Posted : 16 June 2012 15:20:26(UTC)
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sikardon

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Many thanks for your post Tom.

Btw the loco don't have sound, if I want to add steam loco sound function, can I use this item 60945?

Regards,
Sony
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Offline sikardon  
#4 Posted : 16 June 2012 15:43:13(UTC)
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sikardon

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ups, I make mistake, I post this under General MRR topics, should be under Digital topics.
how to move this post under Digital topics?

regards,
Sony
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 16 June 2012 16:31:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sikardon Go to Quoted Post
if I want to add steam loco sound function, can I use this item 60945?
You will also need the motor parts 60941.
I've nver done a sound conversion, but the light bulb holder in the tender could be a problem.
Some locos cannot be converted with a standard brush plate (I think 28506 is not one of them, but maybe someone else can confirm that).

Is this your first digital conversion? Not the easiest to get started ...
Regards
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Offline sikardon  
#6 Posted : 16 June 2012 18:27:05(UTC)
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Hi Tom, thanks for the hint.

Hmm, yes, I'm planning to convert it to digital, and it would be my first conversion.

Well, I'm sure one of the master and guru here in this forum, have 28506, and is there anybody already do digital conversion on 28506 (adding sound, etc) and willing to share the how-to to a newbie like me please??

Many thanks.

regards,
Sony
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 18 June 2012 04:28:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sikardon Go to Quoted Post
ups, I make mistake, I post this under General MRR topics, should be under Digital topics.
how to move this post under Digital topics?


You ask me or one of the other moderators nicely, and we can do that for you. I have moved this thread to the Digital section.
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Offline franciscohg  
#8 Posted : 18 June 2012 05:10:09(UTC)
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hi, i recently have converted the S 3/6 of my 28506. not a difficult one... i have just used a 60760 set for now with the decoder in the place of the delta unit, i dont even have opened the tender. for now the goal was just to get a five pole engine on it. the loco is running fine now, in the near future i hope to install the smoke unit and a loksound.
cheers
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Offline sikardon  
#9 Posted : 18 June 2012 10:52:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
hi, i recently have converted the S 3/6 of my 28506. not a difficult one... i have just used a 60760 set for now with the decoder in the place of the delta unit, i dont even have opened the tender. for now the goal was just to get a five pole engine on it. the loco is running fine now, in the near future i hope to install the smoke unit and a loksound.
cheers


wow, many thanks master ThumpUp.
now, I will order some motor (probably 60941), and then decoder 60962 or buy 60760 (depend on the cheapest one :)), and can I consult with you if I meet problem please?
many thanks.
*crossing fingers... Smile
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Offline franciscohg  
#10 Posted : 18 June 2012 14:06:03(UTC)
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hi, the 60760 comes with the engine parts and a decoder with no functions. only lights and ABD.
glad to help you in anyway i can.
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Offline Joseph Meiring  
#11 Posted : 18 June 2012 14:11:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sikardon Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
hi, i recently have converted the S 3/6 of my 28506. not a difficult one... i have just used a 60760 set for now with the decoder in the place of the delta unit, i dont even have opened the tender. for now the goal was just to get a five pole engine on it. the loco is running fine now, in the near future i hope to install the smoke unit and a loksound.
cheers


wow, many thanks master ThumpUp.
now, I will order some motor (probably 60941), and then decoder 60962 or buy 60760 (depend on the cheapest one :)), and can I consult with you if I meet problem please?
many thanks.
*crossing fingers... Smile

I should think the "older" 60760 is cheaper, as it has the motor and decoder "all in one". The newer decoders come without the 5-pole motors.....
Joe
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Offline franciscohg  
#12 Posted : 19 June 2012 03:55:06(UTC)
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Back home now, i have checked the tender of my S 3/6, there is the weight in the middle and the bulb holder is attached to it, in the front of the weight i think there is enough space for a standard loksound speaker but with some work to be done in the tender shell. If you like to put the decoder in the tender also, i think it will fit just over the weight with no major troubles.
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Offline intruder  
#13 Posted : 21 June 2012 00:51:31(UTC)
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I have what I think is a quite similar locomotive, the 37184

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This is how it looks inside:
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From the front:
A c91 decoder, the same size as the mSD
The 5* motor
In the tender: the sound unit

This was before mfx, so the sound unit was separate from the decoder.
The tender weight fits between the sound unit and the tender chassis. The weight has a big hole under the speaker and there is a 7,8 mm hole in the tender floor.

This means that it should be plenty of space for a mSD and a speaker.
For the sake of the wiring, I would install the decoder in the locomotive and the speaker in the tender.

I can provide better quality photos if required.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline jmallen622  
#14 Posted : 22 January 2019 17:25:01(UTC)
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I have a 29186 Set and the box says the engine is a DELTA electronic engine.
What would I need to convert to Digital to start a full digital layout

Thank You
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Offline DaleSchultz  
#15 Posted : 22 January 2019 17:35:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jmallen622 Go to Quoted Post
I have a 29186 Set and the box says the engine is a DELTA electronic engine.
What would I need to convert to Digital to start a full digital layout



Delta locos are already a form of digital loco. They can be used on a digital system. Typical limitations are that only 4 addresses can be selected, and only one function.

To get more digital features you need to replace the Delta decoder with a better decoder, either from Märklin or from another manufacturer such as ESU.
Additional digital features would also need a more sophisticated digital controller than the Delta digital controller, and there are numerous offering in this space also.
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Offline H0  
#16 Posted : 23 January 2019 11:34:11(UTC)
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Typical limitations are that only 4 addresses can be selected, and only one function.
Typical Delta decoders have 15 addresses (never four) and no functions. Special or recent Delta decoders have 80 addresses and up to two functions.

On the Delta controller you only have four or five addresses. The set 29186 is analogue and does not include a Delta controller.

Delta locos will run on digital layouts, but the limit of 15 addresses can easily be reached and the intensity of the headlights changes with the speed. No load regulation, no acceleration and braking delay.


Originally Posted by: jmallen622 Go to Quoted Post
What would I need to convert to Digital to start a full digital layout?
Since the loco is already digital, you will need a digital controller (like MS2, CS2, CS3, ESU ECoS or one of the many other options).
What's your budget? What are your requirements? PC control? Automatic operation? How many trains running at the same time?
Regards
Tom
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Offline bph  
#17 Posted : 26 January 2019 21:47:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post
Typical limitations are that only 4 addresses can be selected, and only one function.
Typical Delta decoders have 15 addresses (never four) and no functions. Special or recent Delta decoders have 80 addresses and up to two functions.

On the Delta controller you only have four or five addresses. The set 29186 is analogue and does not include a Delta controller.

Delta locos will run on digital layouts, but the limit of 15 addresses can easily be reached and the intensity of the headlights changes with the speed. No load regulation, no acceleration and braking delay.


If you have good soldering skills, you can probably use 80 addresses on your delta decoder.
have a look at this page: https://www.pallund.dk/convert.htm
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Offline TEEWolf  
#18 Posted : 28 January 2019 00:48:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jmallen622 Go to Quoted Post
I have a 29186 Set and the box says the engine is a DELTA electronic engine.
What would I need to convert to Digital to start a full digital layout

Thank You


The Delta system is a digital one. But you cannot alter the decoder by software at a controller. You have to set the CV manually by changing the dip switches on the decoder.

https://www.maerklin.de/...-control/maerklin-delta/
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Offline mbarreto  
#19 Posted : 28 January 2019 01:02:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jmallen622 Go to Quoted Post
I have a 29186 Set and the box says the engine is a DELTA electronic engine.
What would I need to convert to Digital to start a full digital layout

Thank You


The Delta locomotive, as stated before, it is digital already (just a bit limited). To go to full digital, you need a digital controller instead of an analogue transformer. Depending on what you want to spend now in cash, yo umay go to an MS2 (I suggest the 29000 set in Joes, for example), or a CS3 or CS3+ both much more expensive, but of course a completely different league (CS3/CS3+ allows for much more control of al types of Märklin decoders and automatic control of layouts, more locomotives, etc).



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