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Offline Deepak  
#1 Posted : 03 June 2012 21:59:17(UTC)
Deepak

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I have MArklin HO C-tracks & 2 locos and 7 cars - all MARKLIN

Would like to know whether the following are compatible with my set -
1) ROCO tracks
2) TRIX tracks
3) ROCO freight and passenger cars
4) TRIX frieght and passenger cars
5) ROCO locos
6) TRIX locos

also what about PICO

particularly i was planning to get the following -
Gondola open wagon R-66165 - 5 nos
Passenger - Green R-54228 - 10 mos
Electric Loco R-62527 - 1 no.

Tracks I think I will get Marklin only - I have some 50 pcs of tracks - planning to get another 100 odd - as follows -
left turn 24611 3 nos. (have 2 of these)
right turn 24612 4 nos (have 1 of these)
crossing 24640 2 nos.
left curve turn 24671 1 no.
right curve turn 24672 1 no.
1 Curve 24.3deg 24224 6 nos. (have 3 of these)
1 Curve 30 deg 24230 12 nos. (have 24 of these)
2 Curve 30 deg 24330 12 nos.
3 Curve 30 deg 24430 12 nos.
Straight 24172 10 nos. (have 15 of these)
Straight 24188 40 nos. (have 6 of these)

Suggestions and comments please
Offline Webmaster  
#2 Posted : 03 June 2012 22:11:10(UTC)
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1 - No
2 - No
3 - Yes
4 - Yes
5 - Yes/No , the Roco "AC" locos are compatible, the "DC" are not.
6 - No

However, 2-rail DC locos can be converted with decoders, added slider, and some internal electrical surgery to fit - ie some skills are needed for this.
Regarding 3 & 4, there is the option to get AC wheelsets to get the correct cross-rail grounding effect for use with contact tracks - but for just running, the original DC wheels will work fine on C & K-track.
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline mike c  
#3 Posted : 03 June 2012 22:21:32(UTC)
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If you are using Maerklin 3 rail, you have to use 3 rail track, which is made by Maerklin. There may be other companies making 3 rail track, but you have to make sure that it is compatible with Maerklin.

As far as locomotives go, any locomotive for the 3 rail (Maerklin) system can be operated on Maerklin tracks

As far as passenger coaches and freight cars are concerned, most DC coaches and cars can be used on C and K Tracks. Some may require the installation of non insulated wheel sets, designed for the rail spacing and electrical requirements of the Maerklin system. Many manufacturers list the part numbers for AC wheel sets on the sheets that are included with the model.

It is technically possible to operate DC locomotives (electric) via the catenary on an AC layout. You would assign the negative pole to the track and the positive to the catenary. This would work provided that all Maerklin loks were operating from the tracks (third rail).

As far as steam or diesel engines, it would not be possible to operate AC and DC loks on the same tracks at the same time or to combine DC tracks with non insulated wheel sets due to the short circuit that would result.

One solution may to be install one radius of Trix C Track alongside your Maerklin track, which could independently be operated for DC (2 rail) models.

As far as the lok you mention (62527), this lok does not seem to be available in AC. ESU does manufacture an AC model of this lok with more features, which unfortunately is more expensive than the Roco model.

Regards

Mike C
Offline franciscohg  
#4 Posted : 03 June 2012 22:23:05(UTC)
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Agreed, also i had some troubles with some couplers in roco wagons, but since they had NEM pockets, it was easily solved....
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Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 03 June 2012 23:53:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Agreed, also i had some troubles with some couplers in roco wagons
Roco make the Universal Coupler which is very good IMHO. For patent reasons, they don't include them with locos sold in the recent years (you will find them pre-installed in pre-insolvency AC locos).

Märklin couplers cause more problems - they work OK with Märklin rolling stock (buffers too high), but other brands may have buffers at the prototypical height where Märklin couplers will collide with the buffers.

Piko also offer three-rail versions of some of their locos for use on Märklin tracks.
Regards
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#6 Posted : 04 June 2012 00:42:31(UTC)
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Hi Deepak from Bangalore,

You already have the Marklin C track, and a couple of locos.

Are you happy with the performance and reliability of the locos? And do you like the 3 rail Marklin system?

If so, you are better off (in my opinion) sticking with Marklin locos, as you can have some irritating small problems with other brands, even if they have AC 3 rail versions. If you want a list of possible problems, let us know.
By all means, if you are a hobbyist who can give a lot of time to your hobby, and to problem solving, try the other brands, and see how they work for you.

With carriages and wagons, it is not such a failing. You can always change the couplings, and the wheels if necessary.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep II-III and VI, C Track, digital) - 2 rail HO (Queensland Australia, UK, USA) - 3 rail OO (English Hornby Dublo) - old clockwork O gauge - Live Steam 90mm (3.1/2 inch) gauge.
Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 04 June 2012 01:36:30(UTC)
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Hi Deepak,

Using other locos such as DC locos you need some skills to do this:
a.) how to use a multimeter
b.) to be able to use a soldering iron and its proper usage.
c.) understand basic wire connections and their prurpose.
d.) understand what a digital motor is all about and what electronic components are needed for such a motor
e.) How to convert a loco from DC to AC
f.) search for spare parts to do such a conversion, e.g. Roco, Hag, Pico, Liliput locos
g.) work out if it is economical or wait in hope one day they will bring out an AC version
h.) Use DC electric locos only with the minimum of work involved when using an overhead system

and if none of the above are suitable for you, stick with Maerklin locos, Maerklin carriages and show us your new or established collection, we are all children at heart and can't wait to see or hear more.BigGrin

regards.,

John
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Offline SINCrazee  
#8 Posted : 04 June 2012 05:29:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Deepak Go to Quoted Post
I have MArklin HO C-tracks & 2 locos and 7 cars - all MARKLIN

Would like to know whether the following are compatible with my set -
1) ROCO tracks
2) TRIX tracks
3) ROCO freight and passenger cars
4) TRIX frieght and passenger cars
5) ROCO locos
6) TRIX locos

also what about PICO

particularly i was planning to get the following -
Gondola open wagon R-66165 - 5 nos
Passenger - Green R-54228 - 10 mos
Electric Loco R-62527 - 1 no.

Tracks I think I will get Marklin only - I have some 50 pcs of tracks - planning to get another 100 odd - as follows -
left turn 24611 3 nos. (have 2 of these)
right turn 24612 4 nos (have 1 of these)
crossing 24640 2 nos.
left curve turn 24671 1 no.
right curve turn 24672 1 no.
1 Curve 24.3deg 24224 6 nos. (have 3 of these)
1 Curve 30 deg 24230 12 nos. (have 24 of these)
2 Curve 30 deg 24330 12 nos.
3 Curve 30 deg 24430 12 nos.
Straight 24172 10 nos. (have 15 of these)
Straight 24188 40 nos. (have 6 of these)

Suggestions and comments please


Hi there,

Roco tracks with Marklin tracks? That doesn't match at all.. Roco and Marklin are entirely two different ways of track connection and power.
Trix tracks with Marklin tracks? No way.. Nobody does track connecting kits to combine 2-rail and 3-rail systems
Roco Freight and Passenger cars? Yes.. It 's possible.. Just change the wheels to AC and you have to install pickup shoes if it have any special functions.
Trix Freight and Passenger cars? Yes.. It 's possible.. Just change the wheels to AC and you have to install pickup shoes if it have any special functions.
Roco locomotives? Yes.. Only AC ones are suitable..
Trix locomotives? As far as I am concern , don't bother converting them.. If you have no skills to convert them , don't try it! But some Trix locomotives are available as they have been converted by specialist. You can only find them at certain dealers.
Here are the ranges for the following brands..
Piko AC locomotives and stuffs:
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i...=p3286.c0.m270.l1313Roco AC locomotives and stuffs:
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i...ksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1311
Trix AC locomotives and stuffs:
http://www.ebay.de/sch/i...ksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

Hope my advise helps...

Edited by user 04 June 2012 11:01:47(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

C-track carpetbahn, R1 ,R2,R3 with MS2 and a CS2 plus Marklin and HAG trains..
Offline Deepak  
#9 Posted : 04 June 2012 15:37:09(UTC)
Deepak

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Posts: 42
Location: Bangalore
Thanks everyone for all the advise.

My conclusion - I need to stick to Marklin for now - I may have to reduce the number of carriages - to fit my current budget ($80 - with $500 to 550 for tracks, 100 for cars & 150 for a loco).

I am in India and my sister will be travelling to US & Canada next month and be back with all that i plan to get from there by September - so its a long wait for me :(

my cousin also has a set - he stays 250 miles from my place - we some times meet with our sets - uploading some pics of our combined layouts.
Deepak attached the following image(s):
Simple.jpg
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Offline Deepak  
#10 Posted : 04 June 2012 15:50:24(UTC)
Deepak

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Location: Bangalore
my cousin also has a set - he stays 250 miles from my place - we some times meet with our sets - uploading some pics of our combined layouts.
Deepak attached the following image(s):
bridge.jpg
Simple.jpg
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Offline witzlerh  
#11 Posted : 04 June 2012 16:38:51(UTC)
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Location: Sherwood Park, AB, Canada
I agree with most of the previous comments. One thing I do want to add.

For wagons/carriages ROCO and others that are 2 rail can more or less converted to 3 rail. Marklin tends to have shorter wagons (you may see 1:100 or 1:9# in the product details). This is Marklin's way of shortening the wagons so that they can handle the radius 1 & 2. The other manufactures tend to go 1:87 true prototypical to get the long wagons.
I too have some ROCO wagons that cannot handle the radius 1. As I am currently planning a new layout, it is not a big deal as my minimum mainline radius is radius 3. I will have some branches with radius 1 but the long wagons will not be going on the branches. Other than that, there are the usual little issues like coupling height and shorter flanges that can be easily overcome with some tinkering and patience.

You do not have to add the 3 rail axel unless you need to have occupancy detection buy way of contact track. If you were running M track instead of C and K track, I would recommend the Marklin wheel sets for more realiable running with the larger flanges as used M track rails more likely may not be perfectly in gauges at the joints. This also can be adjusted but it is again tedious.

So, with these suggestions in mind, get what interests you and have fun!
Harald
CS2 DB & Canadian Era 3-6
Offline SINCrazee  
#12 Posted : 04 June 2012 17:52:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Deepak Go to Quoted Post
my cousin also has a set - he stays 250 miles from my place - we some times meet with our sets - uploading some pics of our combined layouts.


Hi there ,
I guess you use the same infared controller as well? In case you wanna upgrade , I would recommend an upgrade to MS2 which is able to control up to 10 locomotives and store additional ones with a locomotive card each.

Have a nice day!

C-track carpetbahn, R1 ,R2,R3 with MS2 and a CS2 plus Marklin and HAG trains..
Offline BrandonVA  
#13 Posted : 04 June 2012 19:11:22(UTC)
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Piko does make some 3-rail Marklin compilable locomotives, and coaches can be changed to an AC wheelset to run on Marklin track. RayF is pretty helpful with this one.

I like the temporary layout!

-Brandon
Offline Deepak  
#14 Posted : 05 June 2012 13:11:47(UTC)
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Deepak attached the following image(s):
bridge.jpg
Offline river6109  
#15 Posted : 05 June 2012 13:39:44(UTC)
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Deepah,

This layout is fit for Bollywood.

One suggestion I have, when playing with your trains try and make a layout which has the opportunity to use all tracks, it looks like you've got one reversing loop missing

regards.,

John
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Offline Deepak  
#16 Posted : 05 June 2012 13:52:45(UTC)
Deepak

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Location: Bangalore
Reversing loop? Bollywood - why?
We created this layout in 20 mins - it looked good to us - :)
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Offline Deepak  
#17 Posted : 05 June 2012 13:54:08(UTC)
Deepak

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Reversing loop? Bollywood - why?
We created this layout in 20 mins - it looked good to us - :)
Offline witzlerh  
#18 Posted : 05 June 2012 16:39:11(UTC)
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Excellent and fast set-up! I love the bridges! Have fun!Cool
Harald
CS2 DB & Canadian Era 3-6
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