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Offline LocoBob  
#1 Posted : 01 May 2012 22:31:22(UTC)
LocoBob

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Hi all. New to the forum but have been modeling for a while.

My club has a layout with a CS2 to control things (we get online and update version as soon as we find out another version is available).

I want to automate a train to pull in to a passenger station, brake and stop, wait a period of time and then pull out again.
I have multiple s88 and sensors available.
I have created routes that throw turnouts for me when a sensor is triggered.

My first 2 hours of searching have revealed most of this type of automation being done with blocks or with computer (non-CS2 control)
Is there a way to have such a route control the engine through the CS2?

I should mention that future wants include shadow yard control. Parking one train and starting another.

Bob
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Offline kbvrod  
#2 Posted : 01 May 2012 22:45:42(UTC)
kbvrod

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Hi Bob,
Welcome! I am sure that someone will get to this.Software can do many great things for control.In fact,I am going to head down to a friends layout and get(with help from computer geeksBigGrin ) a CS2 and Railroad&Co working.

Where are you located in MA? ETE member?


Dr D
Offline Nielsenr  
#3 Posted : 02 May 2012 03:54:14(UTC)
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Bob,

There is no timer function in the CS2 to do what you want as far as I know. I think you would have to use computer control software.

As for having one train come in and park on an empty siding and having another train leave a siding, the CS2 can do that. The Marklin 07421 Electrical Manual shows you how to do this.

Robert

Offline clapcott  
#4 Posted : 03 May 2012 00:57:05(UTC)
clapcott

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Originally Posted by: LocoBob Go to Quoted Post

I want to automate a train to pull in to a passenger station, brake and stop, wait a period of time and then pull out again.
Bob


Hi Bob,

Robert is not quite correct , there is a timer associated with the pendulum/shuttle function.

If you only have one train in operation (powered) using the station sensor at any one time, You can set up a shuttle with only a middle sensor and no end sensors.

if you want to rotate multiple trains through the same station , all the ones "not in focus" should be on a dead section so that they do not get the commands to (re)start. A traditional shadow yard would normally be wired up this way

With the CS2 you set up a shuttle routine per loco, therefore each loco can have its own speed and pause settings.
AND multiple shuttles can be active at one time! even if they use the same sensors

Additional: If you want to cater for "other" trains through the station then wire up a k84 to disable the sensor (or switch it to a different s88 port) so that the trains in "sequence mode" do not take off at the wrong time.

FYI. comparison
The CS1 takes the other tack, by setting up a route to which you associate a (one only) train. The limitations are the settings for delays and speed are fixed (and the CS1 does not have a mid point option so the "mid point pause" solution is not applicable)

Have Fun !
Peter
Peter
Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 03 May 2012 14:43:04(UTC)
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Hi and welcome to the forum Bob.Smile
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline VinceHerman  
#6 Posted : 07 May 2012 16:44:56(UTC)
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I also want to have one train stop on one siding and have a second start its route.
If the CS2 cannot do it alone, is there software that can be run in conjunction with the CS2?

Vince
Offline clapcott  
#7 Posted : 09 May 2012 00:47:38(UTC)
clapcott

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Originally Posted by: VinceHerman Go to Quoted Post
I also want to have one train stop on one siding and have a second start its route.
If the CS2 cannot do it alone, is there software that can be run in conjunction with the CS2?

Vince

Hello Vince.

Assuming "CS2 .. alone" includes a S88(#60880) , for sensor connection, then you can trigger any Cause=Effect for Accessories (Signals/Turnouts/k84) or locomotive functions = NOT Speed/Reversing (except temporarily with the shuttle function)

Traditionally your scenario would have been done with the use of signals that have an associated relay to control a "dead section" to stop a train by removing power from the track - and then switching power on to the track where the next train waits...

Should you want to NOT use the dead section method for control and wish to have the trains drive to a stop while still be able to control their lights, sounds, revering etc. you will need to head towards a PC/SW option. (a S88 is still required)

As to software availability - there are a number of bits of software available, some more verbose and cluttered than others with features well beyond basic sequencing.


Peter
Offline Danlake  
#8 Posted : 09 May 2012 05:50:59(UTC)
Danlake

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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: VinceHerman Go to Quoted Post
I also want to have one train stop on one siding and have a second start its route.
If the CS2 cannot do it alone, is there software that can be run in conjunction with the CS2?

Vince

Hello Vince.

Assuming "CS2 .. alone" includes a S88(#60880) , for sensor connection, then you can trigger any Cause=Effect for Accessories (Signals/Turnouts/k84) or locomotive functions = NOT Speed/Reversing (except temporarily with the shuttle function)



Hi Peter,

You say above an S88 can trigger a locomotive function. I thought that was only possible when using routes in CS2? Anyway does that mean a S88 could activate the "shunting mode" for a MFX locomotive. Just brain storming here; instead of having brake modules a contact tracks via S88 triggers a locomotive to go to "shunt mode" at the distant signal. It then slows down and eventually stop at home signal (power off track). It will not be a smooth braking, but should look better than an abrupt halt? A contact track after the home signal can then deactivate the "shunt mode".

Brgs - Lasse
Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.
Offline VinceHerman  
#9 Posted : 09 May 2012 20:18:14(UTC)
VinceHerman

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Yes, CS2 and S88s.
I guess I need to head over to software forum.


Offline clapcott  
#10 Posted : 10 May 2012 13:23:24(UTC)
clapcott

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Originally Posted by: Danlake Go to Quoted Post

You say above an S88 can trigger a locomotive function. I thought that was only possible when using routes in CS2?

Correct - using the Memory feature to set up "routes" that includes the Loco Function is the core of this capability
By Associating that route with a sensor allows for automatic triggering by a train on the layout

This is a little impractical as the loco is hard coded, meaning any other loco triggering the sensor would also activate the function. Absolutely fine for a line with a single train shuttling along it.

Quote:

Anyway does that mean a S88 could activate the "shunting mode" for a MFX locomotive....
... A contact track after the home signal can then deactivate the "shunt mode".

Absolutely

This would be absolutely fine for a single train(loco) or a set of trains (locos) providing only one is running at a time (the others need to be on dead sections in the storage yard so they don't react to the commands).
It would require the "routes" to include a command for each loco in the group - with all but one loco on a dead section, the result would only be actioned by the one active locomotive.

Yes the deactivation of shunting mode "route" would be important. This could be done any time between the signal going green and the the train return to its storage yard - but before one of the other dead sections is livened up.

I would not use the fact that these things can be done without software, stop the evaluation. once you have taken the plunge down the software path the limitations of firmware coding in the CS are eliminated and another universe of variations is opened up. But sometimes there are little dioramas that just need a little bit of route sequencing to bring them to life without having to boot a PC.
Peter
Offline Danlake  
#11 Posted : 10 May 2012 17:48:55(UTC)
Danlake

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Hi Peter,

Thanks for reply.

I can’t wait to play around with all this!

It’s fascinating to read about the creativity on this forum. People finding ways to make home made brake modules, how to disable contacts tracks using K84, using routes as described above etc.

Where there is a will - humans will find a wayCool

Brgs - Lasse
Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.
Offline jeehring  
#12 Posted : 10 May 2012 21:04:20(UTC)
jeehring


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...oh yes, thank you very much Clapcott for all those interesting explanations....
I should get a brand new CS2 before the end of the year , I'm longuing....
BTW , with the ability of triggerring Lok Functions , I'm thinking about the telex couplers....as all loco don't have telex coupling, I wonder how we could manage to make some funny automatism.....have you ever try ?
I4m almost sure the CS2 has not finished to grow, after the new last new range of Marklin decoders, as well as the whole Marklin digital system...,
Offline Elsleuth1  
#13 Posted : 16 October 2018 01:09:20(UTC)
Elsleuth1

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Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
You can set up a shuttle with only a middle sensor and no end sensors.


How is this done? BigGrin
You mean you can set up a shuttle with only the middle sensor? Does the train begin and end at the same spot?
It seems like there are quite a few moves that can be done with the shuttle button on the CS2.
I thought the middle sensor was there so the CS2 knows which way to travel.
Offline JohnjeanB  
#14 Posted : 16 October 2018 12:53:18(UTC)
JohnjeanB

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Yes, connect the selected Middle contact to the track and each time the contact is activated the assigned loco will stop for the specified amount of time and then resume in the same direction (no matter the set direction is for this specified loco).
Note:
- similarly any time the specified Start Contact or Stop Contact is activated the specified loco will stop for the specified time and then start in the opposite direction.
- in fact the shuttle operation may be extended to multiple stops provided they use maximum 2 contact (either same contact track is paralleled on multiple contact tracks or a relay is doing the job
Cheers
Jean
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