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KingBuick		#1 Posted : 23 March 2012 21:08:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 456 Location: IAD, DCA		Hi everyone. I'm in a bit of a conundrum. I am debating whether or not to buy 1 of these models listed in the title. Here's my thinking. 37994: it's arrived at Modellbahn . They sent me the invoice, but I told them that I need to think it over and let them know on Sunday. I've never had a model like this before. For those of you who have it do you think it's worth buying it? It'd be my first Big Boy. BR 39 Insider: 2-8-2 wheel arrangement. LED lights. Would match the passenger cars in my 29440 set. I don't own a 2-8-2 in my layout yet. BR 03.1001 Insider: 4-6-2 wheel arrangement. LED lights. Would match 29440 passenger cars. I don't own any 4-6-2 locos at the moment. BR 50.4005 Insider: 2-10-0 wheel arrangement. LED lights. Would match my European freight cars. I have 2 BR 44 locos: one from the 2010 ore car set and the other from the 29440 set. The BR 50.4005 has many more features and details than these BR 44s. Please note that if I bought any of these models that they'd be the last purchase of the year for me. Also if I were to buy an Insider Club Model I'd want it to be a good one. It'd be my first Insider Clib Model purchase. For those of you who own these models please tell me what you think of them and If they are worth it. I have to tell Modellbahn my decision on Sunday, so please reply and I'll read your comments as fast as I can. Cheers! Tadzio. PS: Videos of my new layout and CS2 set will be up this Monday and/or Tuesday. Please be patient. I've been really busy. PPS: I am debating whether or not to sell my CS1. Please tell me what you think I should do with it now that I have a CS2.
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H0		#2 Posted : 23 March 2012 21:37:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Tadzio, the 37994 is the most expensive loco of the for. If budget is important, better get one of the other three. It seems you don't have cars for this train. First M* Big Boy without motor with bell-shaped armature, but it seems it's still a quiet runner (read the reviews on this site). The BR 39 is unique amongst those four locos as it has SDS. Some like SDS, some don't like it. The 03 1001 (no dot, no BR) is an express train locomotive with motor with bell-shaped armature. Only flaw IMHO: install a smoke generator (even if you don't use it), otherwise you'll have green light coming out of the smoke stack. The 50 4005 (no dot, no BR) is an unusual freight locomotive (Franco Crosti boiler). Looks very interesting IMHO and also comes with a motor with bell-shaped armature. Already has a cap on the smoke stack, therefore no green light coming out. I think that I would go for either the BR 03.10 or the BR 50.40 if I had none of these four classes - toss a coin if you can't decide. When next year's budget allows, you can still get a BR 39 or a Big Boy. OTOH there will be "outsider" models of BR 03.10 in a few years, maybe even "outsider" models of BR 50.40. This could tip the scales towards the 50 4005. Edited by user 24 March 2012 07:32:15(UTC) \| Reason: Correction
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sudibarba		#3 Posted : 24 March 2012 02:08:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 28/07/2006(UTC) Posts: 880 Location: Augusta, GA USA		Buy a Big Boy. Eric


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ac jacko		#4 Posted : 24 March 2012 04:06:41(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 897 Location: Gawler South Australia		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi, Tadzio, the 37994 is the most expensive loco of the for. If budget is important, better get one of the other three. It seems you don't have cars for this train. First M* Big Boy without Faulhaber motor, but it seems it's still a quiet runner (read the reviews on this site). The BR 39 is unique amongst those four locos as it has SDS. Some like SDS, some don't like it. The 03 1001 (no dot, no BR) is an express train locomotive with Faulhaber motor. Only flaw IMHO: install a smoke generator (even if you don't use it), otherwise you'll have green light coming out of the smoke stack. The 50 4005 (no dot, no BR) is an unusual freight locomotive (Franco Crosti boiler). Looks very interesting IMHO and also comes with a Faulhaber motor. Already has a cap on the smoke stack, therefore no green light coming out. I think that I would go for either the BR 03.10 or the BR 50.40 if I had none of these four classes - toss a coin if you can't decide. When next year's budget allows, you can still get a BR 39 or a Big Boy. OTOH there will be "outsider" models of BR 03.10 in a few years, maybe even "outsider" models of BR 50.40. This could tip the scales towards the 50 4005. +1 for me
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jeehring		#5 Posted : 24 March 2012 04:49:15(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2003(UTC) Posts: 2,786 Location: ,		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi, Tadzio, the 37994 is the most expensive loco of the for. If budget is important, better get one of the other three. It seems you don't have cars for this train. First M* Big Boy without Faulhaber motor, but it seems it's still a quiet runner (read the reviews on this site). The BR 39 is unique amongst those four locos as it has SDS. Some like SDS, some don't like it. The 03 1001 (no dot, no BR) is an express train locomotive with Faulhaber motor. Only flaw IMHO: install a smoke generator (even if you don't use it), otherwise you'll have green light coming out of the smoke stack. . Faulhaber is a brand mark, the motor of this model was shown on this forum, it was not from Faulhaber....


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TimR		#6 Posted : 24 March 2012 05:17:44(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Arguably, the most current Insider model will be the most exclusive to get. So both the BR 03.10 and BR 50.40 already makes very strong argument. However, if you already have a lot of Pacifics (2-6-2) loks or Decapods (2-10-0) in your collection, the other models might be better option for you. The Big Boy, having originally been released back in 2002 - I think will continue to be released every few years, as they are proven strong seller to help Marklin's plight. So missing out on a 37994 will not be a big deal, especially if budget is your upmost concern. The 39390 is bound to be the only BR39 with SDS motor, T34 tender, and witte deflector. Although other versions of this locos have been released since, future models will not likely to come with SDS any longer. If you like SDS exclusivity alone, go for this one. This one arguably has the best SDS steamer driving characteristics, compared to any of the other SDS steamer models that Marklin had released. I noticed that a number of German dealer price of any remaining SDS loks have been increased since M* 2012 Catalog announcement.
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Ian555		#7 Posted : 24 March 2012 07:16:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Tadzio, I have the 3 of them with the 37994 still on order. I'll stick my neck out here and say....nothing compares to a BigBoy on the layout. Ian.


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H0		#8 Posted : 24 March 2012 07:40:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,443 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Ian555 nothing compares to a BigBoy on the layout. Yep, but IMHO it deserves 30+ US freight cars to go with it. A Big Boy with a long train of beer or banana cars sure looks nice, too - but in the long run it shouts for US freight cars, thus a Big Boy will affect future budget plans. Also on video:
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Ian555		#9 Posted : 24 March 2012 07:52:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Tom, I agree. Ian.


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foumaro		#10 Posted : 24 March 2012 18:06:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 08/12/2004(UTC) Posts: 4,430 Location: Attiki Athens Greece		I will tell you which loco not to buy.Be aware franco crosti.It can't pull even the insider cars.


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RayF		#11 Posted : 24 March 2012 18:21:48(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,870 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Tadzio, A very difficult choice to make! Personally, I'm not that interested in US locomotives. My collection is all European and a BigBoy would not match anything on my layout. If you want a big and impressive loco I would go for one of the Borsig 2-6-8-0s, but that's not in your list. From the other three, I would probably go for the Br 39, as I already have a few pacifics and decapods. However the Br 50.40 is very unusual because of the Franco Crosti boiler, so it would be nice to have in my collection too. I understand some members have had trouble with it's pulling power, but others say it's fine. Whatever you get, I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
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Marius in Africa		#12 Posted : 24 March 2012 18:24:51(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 05/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 424 Location: Boksburg, Gauteng		Originally Posted by: Ian555 Hi Tadzio, I have the 3 of them with the 37994 still on order. I'll stick my neck out here and say....nothing compares to a BigBoy on the layout. Ian. Hello Tadzio I agree with Ian, the Big Boy is an icon! If you are still in the process of building a layout it also serves as a guide to check all clearances, e.g. tunnel portals etc. I did my original clearances according to calculations and when i received my Big Boy i had to make adjustments to my layout. It is a fantastic addition to a collection. Keep in mind that all of these models will most likely be produced again in future and you will probably get more chances to acquire them, even as good used models. Enjoy the Big Boy. Regards
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Nielsenr		#13 Posted : 24 March 2012 18:27:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		My two cents worth ... Honor your commitment to Modellbahn and buy the Big Boy ... you won't regret it ... Robert


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mrmarklin		#14 Posted : 25 March 2012 04:23:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 27/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 941 Location: Burney, CA		The Big Boy is undoubtedly the best model of all the above. The tooling is wonderful and the scale and size of the model itself is fairly awesome! But it's a commitment: You will need to get some American style freight cars (Marklin makes and has made a lot!). And you'll need a lot of room to run the model.
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NZMarklinist		#15 Posted : 25 March 2012 06:18:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,757 Location: Auckland NZ		Originally Posted by: mrmarklin The Big Boy is undoubtedly the best model of all the above. The tooling is wonderful and the scale and size of the model itself is fairly awesome! But it's a commitment: You will need to get some American style freight cars (Marklin makes and has made a lot!). And you'll need a lot of room to run the model. I agree with Dave, but owning the other three allready probably makes it hard for me to be totally objective here. I have ordered the Big Boy cause I've seen it hailed as a "Marvel of Marklin Modelling and Technology" even tho I'm a German Marklin Modeller if I can call myself that. I reasoned that the 37994 is different to the exising M Big Boys to date and won't be repeated in any shape or form any time soon (with the "ears"), and as it happens our exchange rate is at an all time high, so helps the descision as a rare oportunity. I just hope I'm not compelled to get future Big Boy versions As for the commitment, I felt compelled to obtain some of the appropriate Marklin UP Car Sets, four so far plus the caboose, which I've been lucky enought to find at reasonable prices on ebay, even before receiving the model. However my small layout under construction will probably not allow running of the modell, so a carpet bahn using "R9" C Track curves 24912 may well be an additional part of that commitment. Whilst the Big Boy will operate fine on our AMC modular layout with R4 & R5 curves which is where I mainly intended to run it. Another part of the commitment will also probably be a TrainSafe display Case with rollers, (not cheap ). However that all depends how committed you are Tadzio but I think you'll be fine running it on your table top layout and enjoy it there. The 37994 will be the only one with ears (the smoke deflectors), whereas the other three Loks on your list will be around awhile to be bought and there will be repeats in some shape or form of all four, except as mentioned earlier, we may not see SDS again, so a class 39 right now would be a consideration for some (like me) who appreciate that technology. There is also the commitment , if there was one, you made to Modelbahn to consider
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TimR		#16 Posted : 26 March 2012 03:30:16(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/08/2007(UTC) Posts: 1,752 Location: Jakarta		Originally Posted by: H0 Hi, Tadzio, the 37994 is the most expensive loco of the for. If budget is important, better get one of the other three. It seems you don't have cars for this train. First M* Big Boy without motor with bell-shaped armature, but it seems it's still a quiet runner (read the reviews on this site). Interesting note! Just checked the part number diagrams, and seems like Marklin has changed the spare part number for the motor of ALL the Big Boy models too. Previously, the Big Boy motor (Coreless? And also shared with GG-1) would've cost 80 Eur (incl VAT) to replace - more expensive than the Sinus-2 motor. This was current up to the recent 37993 model. The new motor'll cost customer only 35 Eur (incl VAT). This one seems to be a new 5-pole skewed can motor type. How will the new motorized 37994 perform? Maybe it'll go as quiet, but remains to be seen whether it will still hold its famous pulling power record of the previous models. This seems to be part of their long term campaign of standardizing motor grades, but on the flip side, with the lower cost, we might be seeing more Big Boys and GG-1 in the next few years. Another note: ALL Sinus motor and corresponding driver board has been discontinued in the spare part list - no longer stocked or produced. (but due to their nature, they are very unlikely to ever need replacements anyways)
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KingBuick		#17 Posted : 26 March 2012 18:07:02(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/07/2011(UTC) Posts: 456 Location: IAD, DCA		Wow! Thank you everyone for your responses and advice. I made my decision last night. I kept the commitment to Modellbahn and I bought the 37994 UP Big Boy from them. I won't actually be receiving it now. I am going to Paris and Aix-En-Provence France for Spring Break starting this Thursday and that's when the loco would've gotten to me. I decided that they will ship it to me when I get back on the 10th of April. Meanwhile I am making new clips of my CS2 and new layout and 29440 Starter Set trains. I'll have all my clips up by tonight, I'm hoping. Also, I am debating whether or not to sell my CS1. I'll start a new topic about it in another section. Cheers! Tadzio.
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witzlerh		#18 Posted : 26 March 2012 19:42:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 25/09/2010(UTC) Posts: 417 Location: Sherwood Park, AB, Canada		With you from the USA, you should have no problem getting North American cars. All you have to do is get the Kadee coupler (#'s 17-20, depending on the shank length) that fits in the NEM socket and you have a wide choice.....unless you are a Märklin fanatic. Just note that not many of the better NA cars do well on the R1 curves.
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klarinettmeister		#19 Posted : 27 March 2012 14:40:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 13/02/2008(UTC) Posts: 811 Location: Kirseberg		Nice Tadzio! The 37994 is really a wonderful model! I still can´t tell if the new motor is better or worse than the older but I think it should be equally strong. I´ve also been thinking of selling the CS1, but I don´t have an CS2. I´ve got real low offers like 50 Euros. Then it´s better to keep it I think.
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john black		#20 Posted : 01 April 2012 15:17:27(UTC) Retweet
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Bigdaddynz		#21 Posted : 17 April 2012 01:14:11(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Buy all of them I have, with the exception of the Br 50.40, brought them all. The Big Boy arrived late last week. I don't (as yet) have any US freight cars, but the BB should still look good pulling a long rake of Langer Heinrich ore cars.
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Bigdaddynz		#22 Posted : 17 April 2012 01:18:59(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,771 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: klarinettmeister I´ve got real low offers like 50 Euros. That's crazy talk! Here in NZ, 2nd hand CS1's (providing they have the v2 update) have been selling for $500 to $600 NZD (300 - 360 EUR) But, I'm keeping mine. It can either be used as a remote controller to my CS2, or I could update it to CS1R. But then, I also have Nev's old Ecos.
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Ian555		#23 Posted : 17 April 2012 07:55:23(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi all, My BigBoy 37994 is still on order at Lokshop , at this rate, I'll get it for my next Birthday. Ian.


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Nielsenr		#24 Posted : 17 April 2012 09:07:49(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		I got an email today that my BigBoy 37994 arrives at my local dealer tomorrow ... Robert


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Ian555		#25 Posted : 17 April 2012 09:28:18(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 20,289 Location: Scotland		Hi Robert, Enjoy your new Loco. Ian.


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steventrain		#26 Posted : 17 April 2012 16:12:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,692 Location: United Kingdom		Originally Posted by: Nielsenr I got an email today that my BigBoy 37994 arrives at my local dealer tomorrow ... Robert Very good, Robert.
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Nielsenr		#27 Posted : 17 April 2012 21:37:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 883 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Thanks Steve and Ian, I'll be picking it up tomorrow!! Robert


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Deborail		#28 Posted : 09 May 2012 16:14:58(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 06/10/2009(UTC) Posts: 819 Location: RAK		The Big Boy is the right choice....You must now get some US cars.....
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